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Feb 1, 2019 11:29:01   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
Yes, I'm sure you do, just like Trump, another narcissist, we all know he likes what he sees, that's quite laughable also, when we(objective people) who actually do see him for what he is and not through rose-colored glasses, see Trump completely different from what he sees.

Yeah, the left hates goodwill, man your conditioning? How long have you been twisted up in this hate, I imagine your entire life. I'm sorry that happened to you.


The left likes what the left likes. Don't DARE step out of lockstep or you'll face shunning, ridicule and de-personing. They're oh so good. So benevolent. So compassionate. The left hasn't done a single thing to uplift people, but offers crumbs to keep them down. IMHO.

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Feb 1, 2019 12:24:54   #
Officer Jim Loc: Florida
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Answer: The Democrats!

Here is the reason why:

The acceptance of the attitude that there is such a thing as "A life not worthy to be lived" is what led to the Nazi doctor's acceptance of "euthanasia" and led to all kinds of medical experiments on their prisoners.

You have to be hard hearted to commit murder. After the Nazi's adopted this attitude, the prisoners of the fascists became the guinea pigs for research and were subjected to all kinds of experiments that caused excruciating pain and suffering to prisoners and in many cases death. The left wing tries to cast the Republicans as fascists calling Trump "Der Fuhrer" yet they are the ones that embrace the precept that a life is not worthy to live. They are the murderers who have ushered in abortion and will follow with moves toward legal euthanasia. Interesting how far the progressives have pushed the envelope, from the morning pill to full term abortion. Next push, euthanasia, possibly deadly experiments on the elderly and infirm. It happened in Nazi Germany and its beginning to evolve here. How can anyone trust a Democrat, they are a weird breed!
Answer: The Democrats! br br Here is the reason ... (show quote)


Correct. Clinton actually made the statement that she and the party were "National Socialist Democrats". Sorry but did you not know that the Nazi Party of Germany in the 30's and 40's were officially known as the "National Socialist Democratic Party"?

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Feb 1, 2019 19:00:17   #
Morgan
 
debeda wrote:
The left likes what the left likes. Don't DARE step out of lockstep or you'll face shunning, ridicule and de-personing. They're oh so good. So benevolent. So compassionate. The left hasn't done a single thing to uplift people, but offers crumbs to keep them down. IMHO.


That's very funny really, it is the right who has done Nothing for the people, not since Lincoln. You really should check yourself on not daring to step out, as it is the right who puts party, and corporations before people and in that order, for now, wait a minute, because corporations want to be top dog in this country and do all the governing, the new state of fascism if they have their way.

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Feb 1, 2019 19:01:37   #
Morgan
 
Officer Jim wrote:
Correct. Clinton actually made the statement that she and the party were "National Socialist Democrats". Sorry but did you not know that the Nazi Party of Germany in the 30's and 40's were officially known as the "National Socialist Democratic Party"?


Please give me a link to that fact, do you back up your accusations?

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Feb 1, 2019 19:15:14   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
That's very funny really, it is the right who has done Nothing for the people, not since Lincoln. You really should check yourself on not daring to step out, as it is the right who puts party, and corporations before people and in that order, for now, wait a minute, because corporations want to be top dog in this country and do all the governing, the new state of fascism if they have their way.


Yawn

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Feb 1, 2019 20:34:48   #
JoyV
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Excellent post. Looking back to the founding of the Democrat party as the party of slavery, to the Democrat party being the one that welcomed or at least accepted over one hundred Communists and Communist sympathizers during the FDR administration. The Venona papers apparently indicated about 300 Communist sympathizers in the FDR administration, but those papers were not released until the late nineties. They haven't changed their tune but just learned how to use "Disinformation" to their advantage.
Excellent post. Looking back to the founding of t... (show quote)


True!

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Feb 1, 2019 20:43:28   #
JoyV
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The Democrat Party has always liked power and control. They were ideologically aligned with the totalitarian regimes of the last century, and still want to "fundamentally transform" this country into a centralized government run entity, (with themselves in charge of course.) And they have a complicit and collaborative media as a propaganda wing. Fascism was created by a leftist, Giovani Gentile, and has always been a left-wing construct. The fascist sympathizers in the U.S. used their propaganda machine to label others as fascists to remove suspicion from themselves when their side lost World War II. They have utter contempt for the American people, even, (or especially,) the ones they con or bribe into supporting them. The left in America is very good at promoting the "Big Lie"
The Democrat Party has always liked power and cont... (show quote)


Giovani Gentile was only one of the left wing elite behind the fascist movement. Here is a good article on the history of fascism and how those who considered themselves the intellectual elite (intelligentsia) were behind it. https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Intellectual-origins

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Feb 1, 2019 21:01:11   #
JoyV
 
PeterS wrote:
And that is all well and good but you are ignoring that Fascism is a Right-Wing ideology including but not limited to:


I note nationalism is high on the list. Yes, to the fascist National Socialist German Worker's Party, nationalism was strongly approved. But to the allies who defeated the NAZIs, nationalism was strongly approved. To consider something a characteristic, it should not only be common in the ideology you wish to characterize, but uncommon in all other opposing ideologies.

So what are some fascist characteristics which are NOT also characteristics of a Republic or Parliamentary Monarchy?

Totalitarianism.
Authoritarianism.
Strong central government.
Political Correctness.
Abandonment of rational discussion for slogans or talking points.
Abandonment of civility.
Thinking and acting in lock-step.
Disagreement is not tolerated.
Intimidation tactics.
Violent mobs when intimidation alone doesn't work.
Government funded control of:
*education
*health care
*media
*recreation
*entertainment
*work
*property
* and reproduction.

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Feb 1, 2019 21:09:37   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
One clue to who is pro-fascism... is who is ant- democracy? As that is... the voice of the people. The fascist continually endeavors to squash the voice of the people, hence the actions of the right. The people wanted gun reform...ignored, from the right. The people wanted to keep the ACA while making adjustments...ignored,from the right. The people don't want the wall...ignored, people want equal rights for all which includes blacks, women, gays, and transgenders, for all means just that...for all. The people want protective regulations for the environment ...and the access to the research...ignored. The people want protections from corrupt banking institutions and their practices, protections from corrupt employers without reprisal. All ignored from the right. This is NOT a party that serves the people, they only serve themselves. Get it through your block head.

Each time when surveys have been taken the people spoke out in the vast majority to wanting all these things over the last decade and each time ignored by the right. They are not about freedoms, or about our choice, it has always been about them and what benefits them. Seen again by Trump with all he has done since he's been in office, not to mention working hard to have all our judges leaning right and working towards a one-party government, the writing is in the wall and it screams the new right order, the new nationalist fascist party. Now as they work towards pinning people against the left with their propaganda, seen here with this far-right poster and his ilk eat it up and perpetuate the divide, with this thread, being their working tools. That is the accurate description of the New Nationalist Fascist Republican party. Working towards dismantling our government and country. God Help America.
One clue to who is pro-fascism... is who is ant- d... (show quote)


Surveys taken by either left wing sources, or by supposedly apolitical organizations whose members are predominantly left wing; are not likely to come up with pro-right results.

The people are divided on many of the issues along party lines. Looking only at "The People" on the left and saying what they want is what the people want is dishonest at best.

Now as for the people being against the United States Constitution, if they are against it maybe they should go to another country where they don't have to live under a government which is restricted from infringing on the people.

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Feb 1, 2019 21:15:19   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
One clue to who is pro-fascism... is who is ant- democracy? As that is... the voice of the people. The fascist continually endeavors to squash the voice of the people, hence the actions of the right. The people wanted gun reform...ignored, from the right. The people wanted to keep the ACA while making adjustments...ignored,from the right. The people don't want the wall...ignored, people want equal rights for all which includes blacks, women, gays, and transgenders, for all means just that...for all. The people want protective regulations for the environment ...and the access to the research...ignored. The people want protections from corrupt banking institutions and their practices, protections from corrupt employers without reprisal. All ignored from the right. This is NOT a party that serves the people, they only serve themselves. Get it through your block head.

Each time when surveys have been taken the people spoke out in the vast majority to wanting all these things over the last decade and each time ignored by the right. They are not about freedoms, or about our choice, it has always been about them and what benefits them. Seen again by Trump with all he has done since he's been in office, not to mention working hard to have all our judges leaning right and working towards a one-party government, the writing is in the wall and it screams the new right order, the new nationalist fascist party. Now as they work towards pinning people against the left with their propaganda, seen here with this far-right poster and his ilk eat it up and perpetuate the divide, with this thread, being their working tools. That is the accurate description of the New Nationalist Fascist Republican party. Working towards dismantling our government and country. God Help America.
One clue to who is pro-fascism... is who is ant- d... (show quote)


Another sign of fascism is seeing things as either/or. There is always two options. You mention fascism and democracy. So what does that make Constitutionalist Americans. We are neither for fascism nor democracy, but are for a republic.

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Feb 1, 2019 21:21:48   #
JoyV
 
Officer Jim wrote:
Correct. Clinton actually made the statement that she and the party were "National Socialist Democrats". Sorry but did you not know that the Nazi Party of Germany in the 30's and 40's were officially known as the "National Socialist Democratic Party"?


Yup! Later they took out the word Democratic and replaced it with German Workers to get the working class on board who thought democratic applied more to the well off upper middle class. They were then the National Socialist German Workers Party. Or more often simply the National Socialists.

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Feb 1, 2019 21:33:55   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
That's very funny really, it is the right who has done Nothing for the people, not since Lincoln. You really should check yourself on not daring to step out, as it is the right who puts party, and corporations before people and in that order, for now, wait a minute, because corporations want to be top dog in this country and do all the governing, the new state of fascism if they have their way.


Better look up fascism. Your understanding is really skewed. As is your understanding of economics in a free society. Do you have a job? From whom do you receive a paycheck? In a free society there are people functioning in many varied roles. None can stand independently of others. some main ones are business owners and employees. Consumers and producers. Unless they are slaves being given what the slave owner decides--they need each other!

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Feb 1, 2019 22:37:55   #
tbutkovich
 
JoyV wrote:
I note nationalism is high on the list. Yes, to the fascist National Socialist German Worker's Party, nationalism was strongly approved. But to the allies who defeated the NAZIs, nationalism was strongly approved. To consider something a characteristic, it should not only be common in the ideology you wish to characterize, but uncommon in all other opposing ideologies.

So what are some fascist characteristics which are NOT also characteristics of a Republic or Parliamentary Monarchy?

Totalitarianism.
Authoritarianism.
Strong central government.
Political Correctness.
Abandonment of rational discussion for slogans or talking points.
Abandonment of civility.
Thinking and acting in lock-step.
Disagreement is not tolerated.
Intimidation tactics.
Violent mobs when intimidation alone doesn't work.
Government funded control of:
*education
*health care
*media
*recreation
*entertainment
*work
*property
* and reproduction.
I note nationalism is high on the list. Yes, to t... (show quote)


“Abandonment of Civility” is high on the list of “Democrat Attributes.” Case in Point: “The Democrat behavior at the Kavanaugh Hearings is a case in point!” Also violent mobs is near the top! Look at Antifa the left wing Democrat surrogates who attack Patriots who have different views or opinions. Government funded control of education. Obama’s Dept of Education threatened to withold Federal funding to schools if they refused to allow male and females use of the same toilet facilities. Just go down the list and all the fascist leaning check marks go into the Democrat column—-Hands Down!

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Feb 1, 2019 22:39:47   #
debeda
 
tbutkovich wrote:
“Abandonment of Civility” is high on the list of “Democrat Attributes.” Case in Point: “The Democrat behavior at the Kavanaugh Hearings is a case in point!” Also violent mobs is near the top! Look at Antifa the left wing Democrat surrogates who attack Patriots who have different views or opinions. Government funded control of education. Obama’s Dept of Education threatened to withold Federal funding to schools if they refused to allow male and females use of the same toilet facilities. Just go down the list and all the fascist leaning check marks go into the Democrat column—-Hands Down!
“Abandonment of Civility” is high on the list of “... (show quote)



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Feb 1, 2019 22:40:19   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
Better look up fascism. Your understanding is really skewed. As is your understanding of economics in a free society. Do you have a job? From whom do you receive a paycheck? In a free society there are people functioning in many varied roles. None can stand independently of others. some main ones are business owners and employees. Consumers and producers. Unless they are slaves being given what the slave owner decides--they need each other!


Great post, Joy

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