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Mar 21, 2014 14:43:28   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Singularity wrote:
In general, atheists are a mixed bunch. Often the only thing in common is not believing in a deity. Some do have histories of religious abuse. Many have never been part of any religion. I've heard it said that leading a bunch of atheists is like trying to herd cats.
Most have not much interest in religions at all. Some no doubt stop by out of curiosity. Some atheists have a strong sense of morality and they recognize the serious harm that has and is being done in the name of religion.
Not sure about Morality. Their definition I suppose but not Gods.And that kind of superiority is what got this country in the mess its headed towards or is in. Take you're pick! Now welcome Singularity. I'm not trying to pick you apart,especially on your first post.really welcome to opp.

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Mar 21, 2014 14:56:32   #
jetson
 
pappadeux wrote:
Why are there 'atheist' ? Well I being a very earthly realist will make this short sweet and snappy. Let us pretend that this world we live in is a giant corporatation with a well publicized chief operating officer. Over a long period of time this huge corporation started to collapse, and there was very little they could do about it. So it was decided to have a board meeting, but they could not find the 'big boss' Fact is no one has ever seen him, he has never been to a board meeting, and for the most part has been an invisible vision.Or to put it bluntly 'non existent', and like most failures such as GM's Rodger Smith, and our current leader "Obozo" he must be fired and replaced. He goes by the name of "GOD" Ah but which god ? , as there are so many of them. Now all this sounds crazy. Yes, but what could be crazier than putting your faith in a non existent CEO, or in this case a non existent 'deity'.
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Do you see the truth of my post. I can't see why you waste your time with me a Christian. I know my God and He knows me. You will never get me to give Him up and I probably won't get you to accept Him. I wish you would. Jesus Christ said, preach the gospel to them. If they don't accept me, dust your shoes off and move on. When I was lost I didn't give a (bleep) about a Christian. I don't get it, like I said every time God becomes the subject, the first post I see most of the time an atheist shows up. Why don't you give your heart to God in Christ's name and then we could have something to talk about. He will prove Himself to you. It takes nothing but faith in Him and belief. God bless you. I won't try to lead you to Him again. I've done my job It is now for you to make the next move.

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Mar 21, 2014 14:57:15   #
bna42 Loc: Dixie
 
MrEd wrote:
You are the one that needs to get a grip on reality. You are exactly the kind of person he was asking about. He ask a simple, serious question about why people like you have to get in everyone's face about religion and you have to get nasty about it. Why can't you be civil? I don't recall him calling you names for not believing, so why do you find it necessary to call him names? Did he do something to you personally that I missed?

I have found things pretty much as he describes and here you are proving him right again. What really gets me is all that name calling you find it necessary to do. Why is that? Can't you carry on a decent discussion without all that hate and name calling? He ask you a very simple question and didn't once say anything about forcing his beliefs on you, yet you act like he put a gun to your head and is trying to force his beliefs on you. Are you really that simply minded, or do you just not understand the English language very well? What gets me is, after all that ranting and raving, you still have not answered his question.
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I would also like to know why a non-believer would be so adamant about attacking a Christian because he expressed his beliefs publicly. When a believer states his opinion he is accused of trying to "force his religion on others" and that is one of the biggest lies heard today. The Bible says that we shouldn't cast pearls before swine, so let the pigs wallow in their own dirt.

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Mar 21, 2014 15:27:34   #
jetson
 
I counted what seems to be 10 believers in God and five non believers in God, answering my original post. That is to many atheist out of fifteen people.

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Mar 21, 2014 16:43:07   #
Singularity
 
cant beleve wrote:
Not sure about Morality. Their definition I suppose but not Gods.And that kind of superiority is what got this country in the mess its headed towards or is in. Take you're pick! Now welcome Singularity. I'm not trying to pick you apart,especially on your first post.really welcome to opp.

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Hi, can't believe. Thanks for the welcome! Having ideas picked apart sometimes lets one find new ways to put them back together. I did not intend to sound as if I feel superior. My apologies. Hopefully future conversations can help me illuminate this fault and give me a chance to correct it.

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Mar 21, 2014 16:45:16   #
Singularity
 
Sorry! Can't beleve

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Mar 21, 2014 17:36:07   #
Singularity
 
[quote=larry]All wars were and are started by atheists. Those that believe they are God in themselves. God has told us what He wants in His dictated word.

Hi Larry. Islam is a religion. Muslims are not atheists. Perhaps you meant non Christian? But Hitler was Catholic. President George Bush initiated the War on Terror by attacking Iraq, saying he felt that was what God wanted him to do.
I believe religious differences are a basis for many conflicts and wars when you broaden the definition of religion to include the fact that there are people in the world who worship other gods, and who worship your God in different ways.

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Mar 21, 2014 19:05:43   #
Onelittlevoice
 
I think that atheists are atheists because a "god" they might think up would act the way the atheist thinks he/she/it should. And since that doesn't happen, the conclusion is nonexistence of a "god". Imagine, if you will, your own non-existence. You can't. Someone said there's just "black". Actually, your imagination can only have you looking at black. But it is you looking. Anyway, I don't think animals reason that way. If they did, why would any of them want to be our friends?

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Mar 21, 2014 20:48:02   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
All you have to do is be in connection with God. He/She will if you allow it show you the truth.
Duckie wrote:
The universe is not empty; we can at least be sure that the things we perceive with our senses exist. We can explain the existence of these things in one of three ways: (1) All things are eternal and exist necessarily, (2) Nothing is eternal and exists necessarily, (3) Some things are eternal and exist necessarily, some things not. According to Maimonides, the first explanation is obviously wrong: we see things come into existence at one moment, perish at another. The second case is also wrong. If nothing were permanent, it is conceivable that everything might perish and nothing take its place. Maimonides objects that the idea of an empty universe is absurd. So a necessary Being is needed to ensure that the universe does not become depleted.

This Being cannot derive its existence from an external source, because if it did, its existence would no longer be necessary; it would owe its existence to something else. Therefore, the necessary Being must be independent of everything else. Maimonides thinks that it is impossible for two things each to exist independently, because they would have to share a common nature or essence: independent existence. To the degree they shared it, they would be part of a larger whole and no longer independent. Maimonides therefore concludes that only one Being derives its existence from itself, and this Being is God.

Since God is self-caused, everything that derives its existence from an external source must ultimately derive its existence from God. We may think of this in the following way. Suppose one is stopped at a train crossing watching a long series of boxcars roll by. Each boxcar is pulled along by the car in front of it. In this situation, it would be reasonable to conclude that the train cannot consist entirely of boxcars. Since each boxcar is moved by something else, one car--the engine--must be able to move itself. Without the engine, the rest of the train would come to a stop. By the same token, if every being in the universe derives its existence from an external source, one Being must be the source of its own existence. Without such a Being, the universe would contain nothing.

The above is an argument produced by Kenneth Seeskin a professor of philosophy at Northwestern University.

To me, and my teachings; it is not necessary to prove that God exists. It is a waste of time. Historically, proofs of the existence of God have not played as important a role in Jewish philosophy as they have in Christian. From a Jewish perspective, it is as if a person who requires a proof to believe in God has missed the point of the religion.
The universe is not empty; we can at least be sure... (show quote)


:thumbup:Nice response. :thumbup:

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Mar 21, 2014 22:09:06   #
son of witless
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Actually, no. Even if there was no God, there would still be those who claim that God speaks to them, and that God says YOU should do this thing and that thing. Most of those things will, of course, revolve around providing the one who says he speaks for God with a nice home and a good income.

That's what religion really is and why I have no use for it. I don't think God does, either.


Religion teaches one to fear God. You don't seem to fear God or anybody. So does only random chance provide life's little tragedies and miracles?

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Mar 21, 2014 23:42:37   #
migeli
 
Duckie wrote:
The universe is not empty; we can at least be sure that the things we perceive with our senses exist. We can explain the existence of these things in one of three ways: (1) All things are eternal and exist necessarily, (2) Nothing is eternal and exists necessarily, (3) Some things are eternal and exist necessarily, some things not. According to Maimonides, the first explanation is obviously wrong: we see things come into existence at one moment, perish at another. The second case is also wrong. If nothing were permanent, it is conceivable that everything might perish and nothing take its place. Maimonides objects that the idea of an empty universe is absurd. So a necessary Being is needed to ensure that the universe does not become depleted.

This Being cannot derive its existence from an external source, because if it did, its existence would no longer be necessary; it would owe its existence to something else. Therefore, the necessary Being must be independent of everything else. Maimonides thinks that it is impossible for two things each to exist independently, because they would have to share a common nature or essence: independent existence. To the degree they shared it, they would be part of a larger whole and no longer independent. Maimonides therefore concludes that only one Being derives its existence from itself, and this Being is God.

Since God is self-caused, everything that derives its existence from an external source must ultimately derive its existence from God. We may think of this in the following way. Suppose one is stopped at a train crossing watching a long series of boxcars roll by. Each boxcar is pulled along by the car in front of it. In this situation, it would be reasonable to conclude that the train cannot consist entirely of boxcars. Since each boxcar is moved by something else, one car--the engine--must be able to move itself. Without the engine, the rest of the train would come to a stop. By the same token, if every being in the universe derives its existence from an external source, one Being must be the source of its own existence. Without such a Being, the universe would contain nothing.

The above is an argument produced by Kenneth Seeskin a professor of philosophy at Northwestern University.

To me, and my teachings; it is not necessary to prove that God exists. It is a waste of time. Historically, proofs of the existence of God have not played as important a role in Jewish philosophy as they have in Christian. From a Jewish perspective, it is as if a person who requires a proof to believe in God has missed the point of the religion.
The universe is not empty; we can at least be sure... (show quote)


Mamainides was convicted of eating psycedelic mushrooms and locked in a room where he gnawed on his big toes for 30 years

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Mar 21, 2014 23:45:55   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
migeli wrote:
Mamainides was convicted of eating psycedelic mushrooms and locked in a room where he gnawed on his big toes for 30 years




And your point is????

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Mar 21, 2014 23:54:06   #
migeli
 
Armageddun wrote:
And your point is????


I didn't think you could figure it out.Oh well.

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Mar 22, 2014 00:08:57   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
migeli wrote:
I didn't think you could figure it out.Oh well.


I'm serious, you made a statement what is your point?

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Mar 22, 2014 00:23:11   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Armageddun wrote:
I'm serious, you made a statement what is your point?


He has none. Hit, run, deflect, denigrate would be his point.

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