jay-are

So you don't think it is wise for the US to stay out of all world affairs. I agree that we should not be paying and threatening other democracies to place our hand picked leaders in their governments.

If Obama is sanctioning those activities, he should be impeached. I am with you on overthrowing our current executive administration. Let's get to work on that and dispense with proving they should be overthrown. I am already convinced that the Obama administration should be overthrown for a lot of other reasons besides that one.

Who would be best to put in his place? I would push for Ted Cruz. Who do you see as America's best hope?

Patty

I think that anyone currently in the political system is infected and would vote for anyone who hasn't been previously bought off in past elections. I don't think anyone like that has emerged yet.

jay-are

I am available. I have never run for office before. Will you vote for me? How do I go about starting to emerge?

sensible

I still don't want us to go to war. Putin's ambition is frightening, but those border countries need to band together and fight their own war. We can't afford another war. We are almost bankrupt here and wars create financial problems.

Patty

I do not see Putin's demands to stop him from expanding as unreasonable.
If Quebec followed through with their secession issues would you want Russia sending in Russian, Chinese, Indian troops as the US is now in the Ukraine with NATO troops?
Would you not object if Russia decides Quebec's gold should be moved to Moscow as the Ukraine's gold has been moved to the NY Federal Reserve?
Would you object if Russian banks or the BRICS World bank decided that Quebec's elderlies pensions should be cut in half and all bank accounts taxed to pay the BRICS banks as the IMF has done.
Would you not object if the the BRICS Banks decided that all energy costs to the Quebec people should be increased 40% to pay the BRICS banks as the IMF has done to Ukrainians.
Would you not object to Russia putting military bases in Quebec that hindered our ability to retaliate against aggressive missile attacks and pointed missiles at our country?
This is all the Russia is saying will not be tolerated.
"1. The Kiev government whichever form it takes must sign an obligation to abstain from any ties with NATO.
2. Neither the US, NATO or any other power will deploy X-Band or BX-1 radar stations on Ukraine territory whether on land, sea or air. This guarantee would additionally cover elements of an anti-missile missile shield and ballistic missiles placing Russia in their sights.
3. Restrictions will govern the types of weapons allowed the Ukrainian army.
4. Local military bodies will be established to protect the Russian-speaking and ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine.

Putin emphasized in his conversation with Merkel that, until those four conditions are met, Russian forces would remain where they are in Crimea and if this was deemed necessary, advance into other parts of Ukraine."

jay-are

Here is what I deem as the right solution to the problem:

1. The Kiev government whichever form it takes must be totally independent as a nation, and free to enter into agreements with other nations according to its preferrence, with no restrictions or controls imposed by any other outside nation, -not Russia, not the EU, not the USA. Any negotiations or requests for an agreement between nations, must be initiated by the Kiev Government.
2. Neither X-Band or BX-1 radar stations will be deployed on Ukraine territory whether on land, sea or air unless bought and paid for by Ukraine, and totally operated by Ukraine for the protection of Ukraine, not for use by the US, NATO, or any other nation or alliance with grievances against Russia. This guarantee would additionally cover elements of an anti-missile missile shield and ballistic missiles placing either Russia or western Europe in their sights.
3. No outside nation or world organization will place restrictions that will govern the types of weapons allowed the Ukrainian army. The Ukrainian army must be free to arm itself as it deems necessary to protect the Ukrainian nation, just as any free and independent nation has a right to protect itself.
4. Local military bodies will not be established to protect the Russian-speaking and ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine, or to protect the Ukrainian-speaking and ethnic Ukrainian regions of Ukraine. People will be allowed to freely choose to live in Ukraine or Russia, whichever they prefer, but any insurrection to convert Ukraine, defined by its current borders, from an independent and free state to an inclusion of some other existing state will not be tolerated by Russia or Western interests and alliances.

Patty

Unfrtunately the US was already taken steps to control Ukraine because we are the ones that funding their Army.
"The Obama administration proposed a 28% spending cut for a Pentagon program that supports modernizing the military of Ukraine and other former Soviet Union republics, Pentagon budget records show. The move could endanger efforts to boost Ukraine's armed forces as they face threats from Russia.

The proposed cuts, contained in a detailed budget plan posted online this week, come over the objections of officials with the U.S. European Command, who argue they will hurt U.S. attempts to build armed forces in nations formerly beholden to Russia.

Spending on the Warsaw Initiative Fund is set to drop from $34 million in the current fiscal year to $24.4 million in the 2015 fiscal year, which starts Oct. 1."

Without the US funding them there is no army.
Take a look at this parade. It is actually rather pathetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-OnJxEDXGNc

jay-are

Well I think they should have an army. It should be the Ukraine army, not the army of any other country. Why is it not possible for Ukraine to have its own army? I don't buy that. If both the US and Russia are honest that they don't want the other to control Ukraine, they should both support Ukraine as it builds, arms, and trains its own army.

Patty

I don't think either the US or Russia is honest. ;)

jay-are

Well, then the solution is to force them to be honest, or expose their dishonesty. Just backing out and letting a dishonest, evil, empire building maniac steamroll over nations who want to remain independent is not the solution. If the steamrolling begins, we must be ready to oppose it. That is a lesson we learned the hard way in the late 1930's.

Patty

I think we have become the steam rollers. There is no governmental accountability. To many people want to keep their free stuff.

jay-are

If we have become the steam rollers, overthrowing our government is the solution. I am ready to join that effort.

However, despite how much I abhor what the Federal Government has become, I don't see the US annexing countries and territories and confiscating their riches and resources. I see the US paying for riches and resources that it uses for the benefit of the American people. That is just international commerce. If America was about absorbing more territory and making America bigger we would have conquered the Arab countries with all their oil, and South Africa with its precious minerals, and every other place that produces the raw materials that we use, - rubber, coffee, cocao, silver and gold. NO! We don't do that. We trade with other independent peoples and nations, and we buy and sell to get the things we want. So, I don't share your view of America as an imperialistic tyrant on the world stage.

Patty

http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-confiscated-new-york-federal-reserve/
Seeing as Germany cant get more than 5 tons of the 330 tons back we have to assume that this isnt being confiscated for safe keeping.
"At 2 a.m. this morning [March 7] an unmarked transport plane was on the runway at Borispol Airport (right) [east of Kiev]. According to airport staff, before the plane came to the airport, four trucks and two Volkswagen minibuses arrived, all the truck license plates missing.

Fifteen people in black uniforms, masks, and body armor stepped out, some armed with machine guns. They loaded the plane with more than 40 heavy boxes. After that a mysterious man arrived and entered the plane. All loading was done in a hurry. The plane took off on an emergency basis.

Kiev_Airport_Ukraine_CRGThose who saw this mysterious special operation immediately notified the airport officials, who told the callers not to meddle in other people’s affairs.

Later a returned call from a senior official of the former Ministry of Revenue reported that tonight, on the orders of one of the new leaders of Ukraine, the United States had taken custody of all the gold reserves in Ukraine.” Сегодня ночью из “Борисполя” в США страртовал самолёт с золотым запасом Украины, iskra-news.info. Zaporozhye, Ukraine, March 7, 2014, translated from Russian by the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc (GATA), emphasis added)

Following this disclosure, GATA’s Secretary Treasurer Chris Powell requested the New Federal Reserve and the US State Department to indicate whether the NY Fed had “taken custody” of Ukraine’s Gold.


A spokesman for the New York Fed said simply: “Any inquiry regarding gold accounts should be directed to the account holder. You may want to contact the National Bank of Ukraine to discuss this report.”

GATA’s similar inquiry of last night to the U.S. State Department has not yet prompted any reply.

Last night GATA called this issue to the attention of about 30 mainstream financial journalists and newsletter writers in the admittedly bizarre hope that they might pose the question as well."

jay-are

And what does the National Bank of Ukraine say about it? Since it is their gold, They are the only ones who can tell the truth about whether the gold was stolen or moved for safe keeping. Has the National Bank of Ukraine been leveled and all its officers murdered? If not, the gold is probably where they want it to be.

Patty

They have not answered that question and yes the officials are being beaten there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JC-ZjqFb4&feature=player_embedded
Since the feds wont give Switzerland, Germany and not even Texas back their gold the global assumption is they have already stolen it. There were some bars that came from the NY Fed that were gold plated tungsten filled bars already discovered. China was not amused.
http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2012/09/chinese-discovered-fake-gold-bars-of-tungsten-in-2009-2431960.html

Why would anyone voluntarily give a country who has stolen other countries gold and is over 17 trillion in debt the peoples gold for safe keeping?