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Jan 22, 2019 16:12:45   #
thebigp
 
I thought you might be interested in this story from the New York Post.
In a crowded field of Democrats vying for the presidency in 2020, one thing stands out. “Medicare for All” tops the party’s agenda. On Tuesday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand threw her hat in the ring, ¬becoming the latest announced candidate pledging to make universal health care a reality.
But these candidates would rather walk on hot coals than tell you what Medicare for All costs: a whopping $32 trillion over 10 years. To raise that, all taxpayers, not just the rich, would have to hand a gut-wrenching share of their paychecks to Uncle Sam, based on Congressional Budget Office revenue tables.
A single guy earning $82,500 a year, and currently paying a 24 percent marginal rate, would be hit with a 60 percent tax rate ¬instead. A couple reporting $165,000 in income would also see their marginal rate soar to 60 percent from 24 percent. No more dinners out or family trips. Goodbye to your standard of living.
And to America’s current medical standard of care. Liberals want to keep the name Medicare but change everything else. The result will be stingy care for all.
Here’s why.
Today, Medicare pays doctors and hospitals about 87 cents for every dollar’s worth of care, -according to the American Hospital Association. Why do doctors and hospitals go along with the shortchanging? Because they can shift their unmet cost onto younger, privately insured patients.
But Medicare for All outlaws private insurance. All patients will be underpaying, leaving hospitals with less money. “Many hospitals wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open,” says Chip Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals. Those that do will be jamming more beds in a room and making patients wait longer for a nurse.
That could be you. If you have insurance now, you won’t be ¬allowed to keep it. Nationwide, 156 million people who get coverage through a job will be forced to give it up.
Employers and unions are barred from covering workers or their families. Public unions are already protesting. The gainfully employed will end up subsidizing a huge entitlement, and get nothing more than what someone who refuses to work gets. What’s the ¬incentive to work or join a union?
Instead of facts, Democrats are offering happy talk. Last week, Mayor de Blasio boasted that “from this moment on in New York City, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care.” Not just emergency-room visits but a primary-care physician.
De Blasio put the cost of covering 600,000 uninsured people at $100 million a year and said no tax hikes are needed. That miracle math works out to $170 per person. In truth, it won’t pay for one doctor’s visit, much less tests or drugs.
But this urban Robin Hood knows he will need more. In his State of the City Address, he said, “Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world, plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands.”
Meaning the hands of the people who earned it.
Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ approach is only slightly less confiscatory. There is no disputing the $32 trillion cost of Medicare for All — a number on which the left-leaning Urban Institute and the right-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University agree. Sanders proposed hiking the capital-gains tax rate as much as ¬64.2 percent to pay for it.
That would torpedo economic growth. He also proposed an unprecedented tax on wealth. Even these radical ploys would raise less than half of the cost, according to the Tax Policy Center.
The larger question here is whether the Democrats are the party of capitalism — or confiscation. Some Dems are pledging to soak the rich, and others are catering to them. Westchester Democrat Rep. Nita Lowey is pushing to restore full federal deductibility of state and local taxes, benefitting her well-heeled constituents.
In the midterms, Democrats swept the 10 richest congressional districts in the nation. In other words, they are becoming the party of the ultra-rich and the very poor. Medicare for All offers nothing for the vast middle — working people.
That’s a huge opportunity for Republicans. They need to offer practical fixes for the unaffordable deductibles and suffocating paperwork that make people angry. And they need to remind voters that massive tax hikes to pay for single-payer health care will destroy economic growth, robbing all of us, rich, poor and middle class alike.
Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

source-visit NYPost.com.-betsy mccaughey-

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Jan 22, 2019 16:28:56   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
thebigp wrote:
I thought you might be interested in this story from the New York Post.
In a crowded field of Democrats vying for the presidency in 2020, one thing stands out. “Medicare for All” tops the party’s agenda. On Tuesday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand threw her hat in the ring, ¬becoming the latest announced candidate pledging to make universal health care a reality.
But these candidates would rather walk on hot coals than tell you what Medicare for All costs: a whopping $32 trillion over 10 years. To raise that, all taxpayers, not just the rich, would have to hand a gut-wrenching share of their paychecks to Uncle Sam, based on Congressional Budget Office revenue tables.
A single guy earning $82,500 a year, and currently paying a 24 percent marginal rate, would be hit with a 60 percent tax rate ¬instead. A couple reporting $165,000 in income would also see their marginal rate soar to 60 percent from 24 percent. No more dinners out or family trips. Goodbye to your standard of living.
And to America’s current medical standard of care. Liberals want to keep the name Medicare but change everything else. The result will be stingy care for all.
Here’s why.
Today, Medicare pays doctors and hospitals about 87 cents for every dollar’s worth of care, -according to the American Hospital Association. Why do doctors and hospitals go along with the shortchanging? Because they can shift their unmet cost onto younger, privately insured patients.
But Medicare for All outlaws private insurance. All patients will be underpaying, leaving hospitals with less money. “Many hospitals wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open,” says Chip Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals. Those that do will be jamming more beds in a room and making patients wait longer for a nurse.
That could be you. If you have insurance now, you won’t be ¬allowed to keep it. Nationwide, 156 million people who get coverage through a job will be forced to give it up.
Employers and unions are barred from covering workers or their families. Public unions are already protesting. The gainfully employed will end up subsidizing a huge entitlement, and get nothing more than what someone who refuses to work gets. What’s the ¬incentive to work or join a union?
Instead of facts, Democrats are offering happy talk. Last week, Mayor de Blasio boasted that “from this moment on in New York City, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care.” Not just emergency-room visits but a primary-care physician.
De Blasio put the cost of covering 600,000 uninsured people at $100 million a year and said no tax hikes are needed. That miracle math works out to $170 per person. In truth, it won’t pay for one doctor’s visit, much less tests or drugs.
But this urban Robin Hood knows he will need more. In his State of the City Address, he said, “Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world, plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands.”
Meaning the hands of the people who earned it.
Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ approach is only slightly less confiscatory. There is no disputing the $32 trillion cost of Medicare for All — a number on which the left-leaning Urban Institute and the right-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University agree. Sanders proposed hiking the capital-gains tax rate as much as ¬64.2 percent to pay for it.
That would torpedo economic growth. He also proposed an unprecedented tax on wealth. Even these radical ploys would raise less than half of the cost, according to the Tax Policy Center.
The larger question here is whether the Democrats are the party of capitalism — or confiscation. Some Dems are pledging to soak the rich, and others are catering to them. Westchester Democrat Rep. Nita Lowey is pushing to restore full federal deductibility of state and local taxes, benefitting her well-heeled constituents.
In the midterms, Democrats swept the 10 richest congressional districts in the nation. In other words, they are becoming the party of the ultra-rich and the very poor. Medicare for All offers nothing for the vast middle — working people.
That’s a huge opportunity for Republicans. They need to offer practical fixes for the unaffordable deductibles and suffocating paperwork that make people angry. And they need to remind voters that massive tax hikes to pay for single-payer health care will destroy economic growth, robbing all of us, rich, poor and middle class alike.
Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

source-visit NYPost.com.-betsy mccaughey-
I thought you might be interested in this story fr... (show quote)



Yeah and Senator Miss Cortez stated in a clip yesterday that I saw where she said that billionaires are bad people and that she would tax the rich at 70% don't these people ever learn and socialism has never worked anywhere it's ever been tried what do you think there's such a big upheaval in Europe right now because socialism is dying and finally people understand that freedom is more important than being part of some Union especially the European Union where there laws get usurped Everyday by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels bankers lawyers you politicians there's no telling how many trillions these people have stolen since the end of World War II but I can guarantee you it's in the hundreds of trillions

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Jan 22, 2019 16:39:53   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
thebigp wrote:
I thought you might be interested in this story from the New York Post.
In a crowded field of Democrats vying for the presidency in 2020, one thing stands out. “Medicare for All” tops the party’s agenda. On Tuesday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand threw her hat in the ring, ¬becoming the latest announced candidate pledging to make universal health care a reality.
But these candidates would rather walk on hot coals than tell you what Medicare for All costs: a whopping $32 trillion over 10 years. To raise that, all taxpayers, not just the rich, would have to hand a gut-wrenching share of their paychecks to Uncle Sam, based on Congressional Budget Office revenue tables.
A single guy earning $82,500 a year, and currently paying a 24 percent marginal rate, would be hit with a 60 percent tax rate ¬instead. A couple reporting $165,000 in income would also see their marginal rate soar to 60 percent from 24 percent. No more dinners out or family trips. Goodbye to your standard of living.
And to America’s current medical standard of care. Liberals want to keep the name Medicare but change everything else. The result will be stingy care for all.
Here’s why.
Today, Medicare pays doctors and hospitals about 87 cents for every dollar’s worth of care, -according to the American Hospital Association. Why do doctors and hospitals go along with the shortchanging? Because they can shift their unmet cost onto younger, privately insured patients.
But Medicare for All outlaws private insurance. All patients will be underpaying, leaving hospitals with less money. “Many hospitals wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open,” says Chip Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals. Those that do will be jamming more beds in a room and making patients wait longer for a nurse.
That could be you. If you have insurance now, you won’t be ¬allowed to keep it. Nationwide, 156 million people who get coverage through a job will be forced to give it up.
Employers and unions are barred from covering workers or their families. Public unions are already protesting. The gainfully employed will end up subsidizing a huge entitlement, and get nothing more than what someone who refuses to work gets. What’s the ¬incentive to work or join a union?
Instead of facts, Democrats are offering happy talk. Last week, Mayor de Blasio boasted that “from this moment on in New York City, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care.” Not just emergency-room visits but a primary-care physician.
De Blasio put the cost of covering 600,000 uninsured people at $100 million a year and said no tax hikes are needed. That miracle math works out to $170 per person. In truth, it won’t pay for one doctor’s visit, much less tests or drugs.
But this urban Robin Hood knows he will need more. In his State of the City Address, he said, “Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world, plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands.”
Meaning the hands of the people who earned it.
Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ approach is only slightly less confiscatory. There is no disputing the $32 trillion cost of Medicare for All — a number on which the left-leaning Urban Institute and the right-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University agree. Sanders proposed hiking the capital-gains tax rate as much as ¬64.2 percent to pay for it.
That would torpedo economic growth. He also proposed an unprecedented tax on wealth. Even these radical ploys would raise less than half of the cost, according to the Tax Policy Center.
The larger question here is whether the Democrats are the party of capitalism — or confiscation. Some Dems are pledging to soak the rich, and others are catering to them. Westchester Democrat Rep. Nita Lowey is pushing to restore full federal deductibility of state and local taxes, benefitting her well-heeled constituents.
In the midterms, Democrats swept the 10 richest congressional districts in the nation. In other words, they are becoming the party of the ultra-rich and the very poor. Medicare for All offers nothing for the vast middle — working people.
That’s a huge opportunity for Republicans. They need to offer practical fixes for the unaffordable deductibles and suffocating paperwork that make people angry. And they need to remind voters that massive tax hikes to pay for single-payer health care will destroy economic growth, robbing all of us, rich, poor and middle class alike.
Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

source-visit NYPost.com.-betsy mccaughey-
I thought you might be interested in this story fr... (show quote)


Yeah you ask these people how they're going to pay for all their freebies and they're not going be able to tell you we're going to pay for them each and every one of us even unborn children will be paying for it for the rest of their lives yet they want to take what's going on over in Europe and bring it here even though it's dying already socialism is going off in Europe slowly but surely countries are finally standing up to the EU directly growing some balls and saying you know what this is our country and y'all can stick it and I'm glad it's happening all over Europe right now because these people are going to be paraded around in the streets once the people finally figure out how much money these people are really stolen or there's going to be a Lynch Mob and you're going to see it play out on TV everyday you think the yellow vest people in France are bad wait until the English people rise up then you will have a full-fledged World War going to go on against the EU so what are they thinking that NATO is going to protect them that's what they're thinking I got news for these globalists once people really know what they've done there's going to be no place on Earth for them to hide they know it just as well as everybody else that's why they're trying to create their own Army so they can just come in and take over by governmental Fiat you know what President Obama did for his whole 8 years except for the only Bill he ever got past that was disastrous Obamacare and you go around and ask these people if Obamacare is so great and how come 30 million people are still without medical insurance they don't have an answer for that either all they care about is governmental control because they worship at the altar of government not at the altar of Christ we all know what it says in the Bible to people who pray to false deities we saw what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah so I got news for these people they want to play like their God and try to erase us with robots which is what their intent is they want to replace us with AI always thought the what I read and 1984 was just a crock of crap now it's really scary about the things that were foretold some almost 80-something years ago when that book was written when it gets even crazier if you read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and A Brave New World so yeah for all the people out there that don't really know what globalism is all about I suggest people read those three books and they'll get a very good idea what globalism is all about and what totalitarianism is because that is exactly what the Democratic party is pushing for they've already pushed for conservatives to be banned all over the internet but what they don't understand is that eventually their voices will be squelched as well then there will be no way for them to speak out but they haven't thought that through because they think with their feelings instead of with facts because as we know Stalin said they're useful idiots. How about this every Democrat you run into say hey, comrade because what they're calling for is all out totalitarianism straight out of 1984 my friend

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Jan 22, 2019 18:39:49   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
[quote=thebigp]I thought you might be interested in this story from the New York Post.
In a crowded field of Democrats vying for the presidency in 2020, one thing stands out. “Medicare for All” tops the party’s agenda. On Tuesday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand threw her hat in the ring, ¬becoming the latest announced candidate pledging to make universal health care a reality.
But these candidates would rather walk on hot coals than tell you what Medicare for All costs: a whopping $32 trillion over 10 years. To raise that, all taxpayers, not just the rich, would have to hand a gut-wrenching share of their paychecks to Uncle Sam, based on Congressional Budget Office revenue tables.
A single guy earning $82,500 a year, and currently paying a 24 percent marginal rate, would be hit with a 60 percent tax rate ¬instead. A couple reporting $165,000 in income would also see their marginal rate soar to 60 percent from 24 percent. No more dinners out or family trips. Goodbye to your standard of living.
And to America’s current medical standard of care. Liberals want to keep the name Medicare but change everything else. The result will be stingy care for all.
Here’s why.
Today, Medicare pays doctors and hospitals about 87 cents for every dollar’s worth of care, -according to the American Hospital Association. Why do doctors and hospitals go along with the shortchanging? Because they can shift their unmet cost onto younger, privately insured patients.
But Medicare for All outlaws private insurance. All patients will be underpaying, leaving hospitals with less money. “Many hospitals wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open,” says Chip Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals. Those that do will be jamming more beds in a room and making patients wait longer for a nurse.
That could be you. If you have insurance now, you won’t be ¬allowed to keep it. Nationwide, 156 million people who get coverage through a job will be forced to give it up.
Employers and unions are barred from covering workers or their families. Public unions are already protesting. The gainfully employed will end up subsidizing a huge entitlement, and get nothing more than what someone who refuses to work gets. What’s the ¬incentive to work or join a union?
Instead of facts, Democrats are offering happy talk. Last week, Mayor de Blasio boasted that “from this moment on in New York City, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care.” Not just emergency-room visits but a primary-care physician.
De Blasio put the cost of covering 600,000 uninsured people at $100 million a year and said no tax hikes are needed. That miracle math works out to $170 per person. In truth, it won’t pay for one doctor’s visit, much less tests or drugs.
But this urban Robin Hood knows he will need more. In his State of the City Address, he said, “Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world, plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands.”
Meaning the hands of the people who earned it.
Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ approach is only slightly less confiscatory. There is no disputing the $32 trillion cost of Medicare for All — a number on which the left-leaning Urban Institute and the right-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University agree. Sanders proposed hiking the capital-gains tax rate as much as ¬64.2 percent to pay for it.
That would torpedo economic growth. He also proposed an unprecedented tax on wealth. Even these radical ploys would raise less than half of the cost, according to the Tax Policy Center.
The larger question here is whether the Democrats are the party of capitalism — or confiscation. Some Dems are pledging to soak the rich, and others are catering to them. Westchester Democrat Rep. Nita Lowey is pushing to restore full federal deductibility of state and local taxes, benefitting her well-heeled constituents.
In the midterms, Democrats swept the 10 richest congressional districts in the nation. In other words, they are becoming the party of the ultra-rich and the very poor. Medicare for All offers nothing for the vast middle — working people.
That’s a huge opportunity for Republicans. They need to offer practical fixes for the unaffordable deductibles and suffocating paperwork that make people angry. And they need to remind voters that massive tax hikes to pay for single-payer health care will destroy economic growth, robbing all of us, rich, poor and middle class alike.
Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

source-visit NYPost.com.-betsy mccaughey-[/quote

I thought that the premiums, copays, and deductibles we currently pay would be used to fund a single payer health system.
Perhaps it's time to standardize health care costs to eliminate the practice of charging what an insurance policy will pay.]

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Jan 22, 2019 18:43:07   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
77Reaganite wrote:
Yeah and Senator Miss Cortez stated in a clip yesterday that I saw where she said that billionaires are bad people and that she would tax the rich at 70% don't these people ever learn and socialism has never worked anywhere it's ever been tried what do you think there's such a big upheaval in Europe right now because socialism is dying and finally people understand that freedom is more important than being part of some Union especially the European Union where there laws get usurped Everyday by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels bankers lawyers you politicians there's no telling how many trillions these people have stolen since the end of World War II but I can guarantee you it's in the hundreds of trillions
Yeah and Senator Miss Cortez stated in a clip yest... (show quote)


I thought the 70% rate would apply to earnings OVER $10 million. The first $10 million would be taxed at lower rates.

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Jan 22, 2019 18:58:39   #
EL Loc: Massachusetts
 
SilentGeneration wrote:
I thought the 70% rate would apply to earnings OVER $10 million. The first $10 million would be taxed at lower rates.


Simple math: That would NEVER pay the bill.
Think about it.

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Jan 22, 2019 19:01:58   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
EL wrote:
Simple math: That would NEVER pay the bill.
Think about it.


Didn't think this was slated to pay the entire health care cost.

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Jan 22, 2019 19:14:31   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
[quote=SilentGeneration]
thebigp wrote:
I thought you might be interested in this story from the New York Post.
In a crowded field of Democrats vying for the presidency in 2020, one thing stands out. “Medicare for All” tops the party’s agenda. On Tuesday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand threw her hat in the ring, ¬becoming the latest announced candidate pledging to make universal health care a reality.
But these candidates would rather walk on hot coals than tell you what Medicare for All costs: a whopping $32 trillion over 10 years. To raise that, all taxpayers, not just the rich, would have to hand a gut-wrenching share of their paychecks to Uncle Sam, based on Congressional Budget Office revenue tables.
A single guy earning $82,500 a year, and currently paying a 24 percent marginal rate, would be hit with a 60 percent tax rate ¬instead. A couple reporting $165,000 in income would also see their marginal rate soar to 60 percent from 24 percent. No more dinners out or family trips. Goodbye to your standard of living.
And to America’s current medical standard of care. Liberals want to keep the name Medicare but change everything else. The result will be stingy care for all.
Here’s why.
Today, Medicare pays doctors and hospitals about 87 cents for every dollar’s worth of care, -according to the American Hospital Association. Why do doctors and hospitals go along with the shortchanging? Because they can shift their unmet cost onto younger, privately insured patients.
But Medicare for All outlaws private insurance. All patients will be underpaying, leaving hospitals with less money. “Many hospitals wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open,” says Chip Kahn of the Federation of American Hospitals. Those that do will be jamming more beds in a room and making patients wait longer for a nurse.
That could be you. If you have insurance now, you won’t be ¬allowed to keep it. Nationwide, 156 million people who get coverage through a job will be forced to give it up.
Employers and unions are barred from covering workers or their families. Public unions are already protesting. The gainfully employed will end up subsidizing a huge entitlement, and get nothing more than what someone who refuses to work gets. What’s the ¬incentive to work or join a union?
Instead of facts, Democrats are offering happy talk. Last week, Mayor de Blasio boasted that “from this moment on in New York City, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care.” Not just emergency-room visits but a primary-care physician.
De Blasio put the cost of covering 600,000 uninsured people at $100 million a year and said no tax hikes are needed. That miracle math works out to $170 per person. In truth, it won’t pay for one doctor’s visit, much less tests or drugs.
But this urban Robin Hood knows he will need more. In his State of the City Address, he said, “Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world, plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands.”
Meaning the hands of the people who earned it.
Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ approach is only slightly less confiscatory. There is no disputing the $32 trillion cost of Medicare for All — a number on which the left-leaning Urban Institute and the right-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University agree. Sanders proposed hiking the capital-gains tax rate as much as ¬64.2 percent to pay for it.
That would torpedo economic growth. He also proposed an unprecedented tax on wealth. Even these radical ploys would raise less than half of the cost, according to the Tax Policy Center.
The larger question here is whether the Democrats are the party of capitalism — or confiscation. Some Dems are pledging to soak the rich, and others are catering to them. Westchester Democrat Rep. Nita Lowey is pushing to restore full federal deductibility of state and local taxes, benefitting her well-heeled constituents.
In the midterms, Democrats swept the 10 richest congressional districts in the nation. In other words, they are becoming the party of the ultra-rich and the very poor. Medicare for All offers nothing for the vast middle — working people.
That’s a huge opportunity for Republicans. They need to offer practical fixes for the unaffordable deductibles and suffocating paperwork that make people angry. And they need to remind voters that massive tax hikes to pay for single-payer health care will destroy economic growth, robbing all of us, rich, poor and middle class alike.
Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

source-visit NYPost.com.-betsy mccaughey-[/quote

I thought that the premiums, copays, and deductibles we currently pay would be used to fund a single payer health system.
Perhaps it's time to standardize health care costs to eliminate the practice of charging what an insurance policy will pay.]
I thought you might be interested in this story fr... (show quote)


What the right always fails to mention is that most developed nations have national health care at about half the cost of ours with about the same or better outcomes for most folks. They claim we can't afford it but fail to say that we can't afford our own system. No other nation spends 15% of it's GDP on health care. We do....but, hey, we can't afford the cheaper systems.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries

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Jan 23, 2019 12:04:15   #
TrueAmerican
 
working class stiff wrote:
What the right always fails to mention is that most developed nations have national health care at about half the cost of ours with about the same or better outcomes for most folks. They claim we can't afford it but fail to say that we can't afford our own system. No other nation spends 15% of it's GDP on health care. We do....but, hey, we can't afford the cheaper systems.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries


So you want the govt to run your healthcare --- think about that --- the gov't that can't even agree on what to do about illegal alien invaders --- have you truly thought this through ??????

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Jan 23, 2019 14:26:56   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
working class stiff wrote:
What the right always fails to mention is that most developed nations have national health care at about half the cost of ours with about the same or better outcomes for most folks. They claim we can't afford it but fail to say that we can't afford our own system. No other nation spends 15% of it's GDP on health care. We do....but, hey, we can't afford the cheaper systems.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries


You might be half the cost of ours but they still come here and get procedures done because it's cheaper to get it done here than in there country boot or they can't get it done in there country so you can stop freaking pettifogging the issue all you want we had a good Healthcare System until Obama directed trying to bring in socialized medicine that nobody wants all right if obamacare's so great and how come 30 million Americans are still without freaking health insurance man you tell me that promise you can't you think just because Obama did it that it was the right thing to do no Obama did it because it made him feel good all right sometimes feelings don't get the job done his heart was in the right place but they're still people without Healthcare so what was the purpose of passing is otherwise to keep us under government rule all right that's the one part of our lives where the government shouldn't be in our lives and that's telling us how to keep ourselves healthy it's not the government's job to do that it's ours job it seems like individuality is going out the window in this country seems like everybody is too lazy to do things for themselves and they want the government to do everything for them will you know what screw that I don't want the government doing anything for me alright they screw up enough as it is all right they can't even run a mail service right and they can't even run a train system right how often do you see Amtrak going off the rails all the damn time how often do you hear people complaining to the post office because they're too slow all the time all right the only thing the government's good at is war and Military that's that's what I need to keep their bones because that's their job to protect us we don't need them to do everything for us all right people don't realize the more you want government intrusion the more our individual liberties get eroded all right that's something that you need to figure out you know we have individual liberties under the Constitution know the first ten amendments are the Bill of Rights that each time y'all start screaming for the government to get involved that's less Bill of Rights that we have to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government so just remember that

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Jan 23, 2019 14:40:04   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
77Reaganite wrote:
You might be half the cost of ours but they still come here and get procedures done because it's cheaper to get it done here than in there country boot or they can't get it done in there country so you can stop freaking pettifogging the issue all you want we had a good Healthcare System until Obama directed trying to bring in socialized medicine that nobody wants all right if obamacare's so great and how come 30 million Americans are still without freaking health insurance man you tell me that promise you can't you think just because Obama did it that it was the right thing to do no Obama did it because it made him feel good all right sometimes feelings don't get the job done his heart was in the right place but they're still people without Healthcare so what was the purpose of passing is otherwise to keep us under government rule all right that's the one part of our lives where the government shouldn't be in our lives and that's telling us how to keep ourselves healthy it's not the government's job to do that it's ours job it seems like individuality is going out the window in this country seems like everybody is too lazy to do things for themselves and they want the government to do everything for them will you know what screw that I don't want the government doing anything for me alright they screw up enough as it is all right they can't even run a mail service right and they can't even run a train system right how often do you see Amtrak going off the rails all the damn time how often do you hear people complaining to the post office because they're too slow all the time all right the only thing the government's good at is war and Military that's that's what I need to keep their bones because that's their job to protect us we don't need them to do everything for us all right people don't realize the more you want government intrusion the more our individual liberties get eroded all right that's something that you need to figure out you know we have individual liberties under the Constitution know the first ten amendments are the Bill of Rights that each time y'all start screaming for the government to get involved that's less Bill of Rights that we have to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government so just remember that
You might be half the cost of ours but they still ... (show quote)


Huh?.....James Joyce you ain't.

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Jan 23, 2019 14:50:40   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
working class stiff wrote:
Huh?.....James Joyce you ain't.



what about government intrusion do you not understand all right for one in order to get ObamaCare passed Obama usurped our fourth amendment rights and our 10th Amendment rights so he already violated the Constitution against this twice to get his bill passed okay and the Patriot Act signed on 912 2001 also eroded are 4th amendment rights so what more do you want the government to do all right it's not the government's job to do anyting all right that the government's job it has two basic functions want to make sure that the laws that are on the books or follow to the letter and to make sure we're protected against enemies foreign and domestic those are the federal government's two main priorities not to sit here and tell us to get Healthcare all right have you been to the VA in a while to see how it's run and you really want the government to take over Healthcare like that you really must be smoking something man because I keep telling people go to the va's go go there one day and just sit and if you really want this crap then so be it but don't sit here and try to force it on every other American

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Jan 23, 2019 15:04:03   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
77Reaganite wrote:
what about government intrusion do you not understand all right for one in order to get ObamaCare passed Obama usurped our fourth amendment rights and our 10th Amendment rights so he already violated the Constitution against this twice to get his bill passed okay and the Patriot Act signed on 912 2001 also eroded are 4th amendment rights so what more do you want the government to do all right it's not the government's job to do anyting all right that the government's job it has two basic functions want to make sure that the laws that are on the books or follow to the letter and to make sure we're protected against enemies foreign and domestic those are the federal government's two main priorities not to sit here and tell us to get Healthcare all right have you been to the VA in a while to see how it's run and you really want the government to take over Healthcare like that you really must be smoking something man because I keep telling people go to the va's go go there one day and just sit and if you really want this crap then so be it but don't sit here and try to force it on every other American
what about government intrusion do you not underst... (show quote)


I just won't read stuff that has no sentence structure or punctuation. I don't pick nits about spelling or grammar but this isn't even close. Adios.

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Jan 23, 2019 15:13:05   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
working class stiff wrote:
I just won't read stuff that has no sentence structure or punctuation. I don't pick nits about spelling or grammar but this isn't even close. Adios.




Proper punctuation doesn't win an argument sir facts do I just gave you a crapload of facts all right don't worry about the punctuation all right I get tired of people telling me to my Lord you don't even use any punctuation but you know what this is a forum this we're not in class all right now if we were in school still and yes I understand that punctuation is a given but we're not in school anymore so so you can stop with the nonsense you don't want to read Because you know I'm right so just go ahead and stay that fact and don't try to State it just because it's punctuation well you can take your punctuation and shove it where the sun don't shine all right punctuation like I said doesn't win arguments facts do

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Jan 24, 2019 00:50:00   #
DogLover99
 
They always promise a rate that starts out at a reasonable rate, then realize it doesn't cover the funds needed so, everyone has to just give a little more & then more. Almost forgot, there's also State tax ( in most states) sales tax, property tax, utility tax, phone tax, capital gains tax, gas tax and many more.
How much will be left for you?

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