Check out topic: Fraud elections get 3rd term ZerObama 3.0
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then he left. That’s how it should be.
Dec 23, 2018 09:39:35 #
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then he left. That’s how it should be.
This E'd to me and I agree;
We spent 17 years in Afghanistan, making it our second longest war, in the hopes of stabilizing the country. But it’s not a country; it’s a collection of tribes and clans that don’t even believe they are a country. It has never been stable and it is never going to be stable.
We can also spend 17 years in Syria, but the Arabs are not going to stop hating the Kurds, the Shiites and Sunnis are not going to get along, and the only way the country will function is as a dictatorship.
That, like a wall, is the cold, hard and practical reality of the situation.'
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2018/12/22/pull-out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-use-the-money-to-build-a-wall-take-the-50-billion-we-spent-arming-jihadis-and-use-it-to-build-a-big-wall-to-keep-them-out-of-america-daniel-greenfield/
Pull Out of Syria and Afghanistan, Use the Money to Build a Wall Take the $50 billion we spent arming Jihadis & use it to build a big wall to keep them out of America.
Daniel Greenfield - Posted by Ruth S. King - December 22, 2018
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272319/pull-out-syria-and-afghanistan-use-money-build-daniel-greenfield
When President Trump first dispatched the first 2,000 National Guard troops to the Mexican border, there was a loud outcry. And now that he’s pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, there’s more outrage.
But where do 2,000 soldiers belong more, in Syria or on our own border? When it comes to deploying troops on the border, the media is quick to rush out and inform us that it will cost $182 million. But no calculators are in sight when 2,000 troops are deployed in enemy territory thousands of miles away.
Are we spending $600 billion on national defense to protect Syria or to defend the United States? Are young men and women volunteering to risk their lives to defend their country or someone else’s?
The government faces a shutdown over Trump’s call for $5 billion for a wall. Meanwhile the $8.6 billion we’ve spent on “humanitarian assistance” in Syria has never been challenged. Operation Inherent Resolve in Syria and Iraq was budgeted at $15.3 billion for FY2019. But that $5 billion can’t be found.
$2.2 billion was diverted from counterterrorism to arm and train Syrian Jihadis, some of whom were Muslim Brotherhood while others joined up with Al Qaeda. Some of the Jihadis we funded in Syria even ended up fighting each other. Still others turned our weapons over to ISIS. And many ran away.
We had $500 million to spend on training Syrian Jihadis in 2018, but nobody can find $5 billion to build a wall and keep Jihadis out of our country.
There was outrage when the Trump administration diverted $200 million for cross-border stabilization efforts… in Syria. That’s more than the $182 million the first 2,000 troops sent to the border cost. If Congress really can’t find $5 billion in an accounting error somewhere to build the wall, then it can find the money by withdrawing from Syria and using the cash we were going to spend on an RPG for Abdul.
And if there still isn’t enough money, then withdrawing from Afghanistan should do it.
We’re spending $45 billion a year in Afghanistan to help former Taliban fight the current Taliban, who are also fighting ISIS Taliban, with all the groups of warlords, militias, bandits and Koranic meth heads taking the occasional break from fighting each other to take a few shots at us.
That $45 billion that we burned through last year in Afghanistan has not saved a single American life. For $45 billion, we could have a border wall that would save thousands of American lives that have been lost at the hands of illegal alien murderers, drug traffickers and drunk drivers.
Trump’s Democrat and Republican critics have claimed that building a wall is impractical and won’t work.
Walls work really well. They’re solid objects that don’t depend on ideology or theories about human nature. If you’re standing in front of a wall, it doesn’t matter if you’re a socialist, anarchist, libertarian or an illegal alien; it is a reality that you will have to deal with regardless of your politics.
In the age of “my truth” and the “I feel” statement, walls don’t care about your truths or your feelings.
It’s our interventions in Afghanistan and Syria that are impractical and haven’t worked. None of the advocates for why we should be there can explain what the plan is. All they can do is point to the dreaded consequences of withdrawal to convince us to stay there forever and a day.
We’ve been in Afghanistan for 17 years. Next year, there will be voters born when we first went in.
And we went in for a very good reason. 9/11. We smashed Al Qaeda leaving behind only a handful of terrorists. The Taliban were routed and retreated to resume the country’s endless civil war.
At that point we should have pulled out.
We had won the war with around 10,000 troops. But instead of withdrawing, we doubled our forces in the country to 20,000 to focus on nation building. We got sucked into worthless reconstruction projects that cost many times the amount that a border wall would have. And we deployed personnel to protect a nation building project in Afghanistan against what had become a terror campaign and guerrilla war.
Then Obama took the White House, and in the most baffling foreign policy decision of his career, decided that Afghanistan needed a surge of troops and the number of US forces doubled to 50,000.
American casualties skyrocketed. Most of our soldiers killed in Afghanistan, died under Obama.
There was no reason for the surge. Obama’s official excuse of fighting Al Qaeda was disproven by his own people who had told him that there were only a handful of Al Qaeda terrorists left in the country.
There are even fewer today.
We reportedly killed 65 Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan this year. At $45 billion a year, that’s around $700 million per dead Al Qaeda member.
The official excuse is that we’re in Afghanistan to fight ISIS, but the Afghan ISIS consists of former Taliban fighting the current Taliban over whether to swear allegiance to ISIS. The Taliban have been winning. But even if they weren’t, is this really something we should be getting involved in?
The real question though is what’s the endgame for Syria and Afghanistan? Democracy? A government that doesn’t violently hate us? An end to both countries serving as safe refuges for Jihadis?
None of the above.
Nation building has a bad habit of turning temporary interventions into permanent ones at a cost of endless blood and treasure.
Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then he left. That’s how it should be.
We spent 17 years in Afghanistan, making it our second longest war, in the hopes of stabilizing the country. But it’s not a country; it’s a collection of tribes and clans that don’t even believe they are a country. It has never been stable and it is never going to be stable.
We can also spend 17 years in Syria, but the Arabs are not going to stop hating the Kurds, the Shiites and Sunnis are not going to get along, and the only way the country will function is as a dictatorship.
That, like a wall, is the cold, hard and practical reality of the situation.
President Trump isn’t guilty of wishful thinking. It’s his opponents who continue wasting billions at home and abroad, not to mention the lives of Americans at home and abroad, by believing one false thing.
They believe that given the chance most people around the world will act, think and live like Americans.
Gang members from El Salvador and Taliban fighters in Helmand, Sunni fighters in Hatita and cartel members from Ciudad Juárez just need to be taught about democracy, human rights and apple pie.
It’s a lovely utopian fantasy and it doesn’t work.
Its miserable failure is why President Trump is in the White House and the GOP is in disarray. Trump ran against nation building and for a big border wall. And he’s been stymied at every turn by an establishment that still doesn’t get it. We don’t need to export democracy to Syria and Afghanistan, they don’t want it and don’t know what to do with it when they have it, except to try and wire it to a bomb.
We need to import democracy to this country by building a wall, not just because it will stop the dilution and suppression of American voters with fake districts and illegal votes, but because it will uphold the will of the people who elected President Trump to end nation building and build a wall.
And then, maybe once we’ve imported some democracy to America, we can think about exporting it.
But first we can take the $50 billion we won’t be spending arming and protecting warlords and terrorists in Afghanistan and Syria, and use it to build a big wall to keep them from invading the United States.
This E'd to me and I agree;
We spent 17 years in Afghanistan, making it our second longest war, in the hopes of stabilizing the country. But it’s not a country; it’s a collection of tribes and clans that don’t even believe they are a country. It has never been stable and it is never going to be stable.
We can also spend 17 years in Syria, but the Arabs are not going to stop hating the Kurds, the Shiites and Sunnis are not going to get along, and the only way the country will function is as a dictatorship.
That, like a wall, is the cold, hard and practical reality of the situation.'
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2018/12/22/pull-out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-use-the-money-to-build-a-wall-take-the-50-billion-we-spent-arming-jihadis-and-use-it-to-build-a-big-wall-to-keep-them-out-of-america-daniel-greenfield/
Pull Out of Syria and Afghanistan, Use the Money to Build a Wall Take the $50 billion we spent arming Jihadis & use it to build a big wall to keep them out of America.
Daniel Greenfield - Posted by Ruth S. King - December 22, 2018
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272319/pull-out-syria-and-afghanistan-use-money-build-daniel-greenfield
When President Trump first dispatched the first 2,000 National Guard troops to the Mexican border, there was a loud outcry. And now that he’s pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, there’s more outrage.
But where do 2,000 soldiers belong more, in Syria or on our own border? When it comes to deploying troops on the border, the media is quick to rush out and inform us that it will cost $182 million. But no calculators are in sight when 2,000 troops are deployed in enemy territory thousands of miles away.
Are we spending $600 billion on national defense to protect Syria or to defend the United States? Are young men and women volunteering to risk their lives to defend their country or someone else’s?
The government faces a shutdown over Trump’s call for $5 billion for a wall. Meanwhile the $8.6 billion we’ve spent on “humanitarian assistance” in Syria has never been challenged. Operation Inherent Resolve in Syria and Iraq was budgeted at $15.3 billion for FY2019. But that $5 billion can’t be found.
$2.2 billion was diverted from counterterrorism to arm and train Syrian Jihadis, some of whom were Muslim Brotherhood while others joined up with Al Qaeda. Some of the Jihadis we funded in Syria even ended up fighting each other. Still others turned our weapons over to ISIS. And many ran away.
We had $500 million to spend on training Syrian Jihadis in 2018, but nobody can find $5 billion to build a wall and keep Jihadis out of our country.
There was outrage when the Trump administration diverted $200 million for cross-border stabilization efforts… in Syria. That’s more than the $182 million the first 2,000 troops sent to the border cost. If Congress really can’t find $5 billion in an accounting error somewhere to build the wall, then it can find the money by withdrawing from Syria and using the cash we were going to spend on an RPG for Abdul.
And if there still isn’t enough money, then withdrawing from Afghanistan should do it.
We’re spending $45 billion a year in Afghanistan to help former Taliban fight the current Taliban, who are also fighting ISIS Taliban, with all the groups of warlords, militias, bandits and Koranic meth heads taking the occasional break from fighting each other to take a few shots at us.
That $45 billion that we burned through last year in Afghanistan has not saved a single American life. For $45 billion, we could have a border wall that would save thousands of American lives that have been lost at the hands of illegal alien murderers, drug traffickers and drunk drivers.
Trump’s Democrat and Republican critics have claimed that building a wall is impractical and won’t work.
Walls work really well. They’re solid objects that don’t depend on ideology or theories about human nature. If you’re standing in front of a wall, it doesn’t matter if you’re a socialist, anarchist, libertarian or an illegal alien; it is a reality that you will have to deal with regardless of your politics.
In the age of “my truth” and the “I feel” statement, walls don’t care about your truths or your feelings.
It’s our interventions in Afghanistan and Syria that are impractical and haven’t worked. None of the advocates for why we should be there can explain what the plan is. All they can do is point to the dreaded consequences of withdrawal to convince us to stay there forever and a day.
We’ve been in Afghanistan for 17 years. Next year, there will be voters born when we first went in.
And we went in for a very good reason. 9/11. We smashed Al Qaeda leaving behind only a handful of terrorists. The Taliban were routed and retreated to resume the country’s endless civil war.
At that point we should have pulled out.
We had won the war with around 10,000 troops. But instead of withdrawing, we doubled our forces in the country to 20,000 to focus on nation building. We got sucked into worthless reconstruction projects that cost many times the amount that a border wall would have. And we deployed personnel to protect a nation building project in Afghanistan against what had become a terror campaign and guerrilla war.
Then Obama took the White House, and in the most baffling foreign policy decision of his career, decided that Afghanistan needed a surge of troops and the number of US forces doubled to 50,000.
American casualties skyrocketed. Most of our soldiers killed in Afghanistan, died under Obama.
There was no reason for the surge. Obama’s official excuse of fighting Al Qaeda was disproven by his own people who had told him that there were only a handful of Al Qaeda terrorists left in the country.
There are even fewer today.
We reportedly killed 65 Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan this year. At $45 billion a year, that’s around $700 million per dead Al Qaeda member.
The official excuse is that we’re in Afghanistan to fight ISIS, but the Afghan ISIS consists of former Taliban fighting the current Taliban over whether to swear allegiance to ISIS. The Taliban have been winning. But even if they weren’t, is this really something we should be getting involved in?
The real question though is what’s the endgame for Syria and Afghanistan? Democracy? A government that doesn’t violently hate us? An end to both countries serving as safe refuges for Jihadis?
None of the above.
Nation building has a bad habit of turning temporary interventions into permanent ones at a cost of endless blood and treasure.
Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then he left. That’s how it should be.
We spent 17 years in Afghanistan, making it our second longest war, in the hopes of stabilizing the country. But it’s not a country; it’s a collection of tribes and clans that don’t even believe they are a country. It has never been stable and it is never going to be stable.
We can also spend 17 years in Syria, but the Arabs are not going to stop hating the Kurds, the Shiites and Sunnis are not going to get along, and the only way the country will function is as a dictatorship.
That, like a wall, is the cold, hard and practical reality of the situation.
President Trump isn’t guilty of wishful thinking. It’s his opponents who continue wasting billions at home and abroad, not to mention the lives of Americans at home and abroad, by believing one false thing.
They believe that given the chance most people around the world will act, think and live like Americans.
Gang members from El Salvador and Taliban fighters in Helmand, Sunni fighters in Hatita and cartel members from Ciudad Juárez just need to be taught about democracy, human rights and apple pie.
It’s a lovely utopian fantasy and it doesn’t work.
Its miserable failure is why President Trump is in the White House and the GOP is in disarray. Trump ran against nation building and for a big border wall. And he’s been stymied at every turn by an establishment that still doesn’t get it. We don’t need to export democracy to Syria and Afghanistan, they don’t want it and don’t know what to do with it when they have it, except to try and wire it to a bomb.
We need to import democracy to this country by building a wall, not just because it will stop the dilution and suppression of American voters with fake districts and illegal votes, but because it will uphold the will of the people who elected President Trump to end nation building and build a wall.
And then, maybe once we’ve imported some democracy to America, we can think about exporting it.
But first we can take the $50 billion we won’t be spending arming and protecting warlords and terrorists in Afghanistan and Syria, and use it to build a big wall to keep them from invading the United States.
Dec 23, 2018 10:28:56 #
eagleye13 wrote:
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then h... (show quote)
Excellent information! Thank you!!!
Dec 23, 2018 11:17:44 #
eagleye13 wrote:
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then h... (show quote)
Superb post... Thank you...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Dec 23, 2018 11:23:51 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Superb post... Thank you...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
In case you missed this one;
Trump announced we are getting out of Syria again.
IMO; Trump has figured out the BS.
Syria puzzle explained
Who thinks the BS presented by the MSM makes sense?
Who will take the time to give this thought?
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT to figure this out;
The Syria BS Really Bothers Me!
This is what does not add up, but why we have supposedly stayed in Syria. (years now)
Assad gassed his own people, was the cry to reverse Trump’s announcement the US was leaving Syria.
The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
Can anyone come up with a legitimate motive for Assad to gas his people?
His opposition sure had motive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk
The Covert Origins of ISIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=player_detailpage
Now lets examine the players:
Wesley Clark Told The Truth
https://youtu.be/LAFHOHIiFZA
Hillary Clinton spills the beans at the inauguration of the new office for Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in Washington, D.C. Some have said it was simply a slip of the tongue but whatever the perception is Clinton frankly revealed who's running the show in these United States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2T-5Pd3oYY
Dick Cheney; Director at CIA:
https://youtu.be/XOAk-7F1EVU
Our CFR foreign Policy
Hillary Clinton spills the beans at the inauguration of the new office for Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in Washington, D.C. Some have said it was simply a slip of the tongue but whatever the perception is Clinton frankly revealed who's running the show in these United States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2T-5Pd3oYY
Now lets reflect on who did what, and why we attacked who?
Saudi Sunnis were the perps on 911. ( who was really behind them?)
Saudis are aligned with Israelis and Big Money/PTB.
BUT the US attacked Iraq. The country that was keeping Iran in check.
Syria is Shiite and not Sunni.
Syria with Russia’s help has wiped out ISIS. America did not contrary to our MSM.
Assad is still going after ISIS; but the US has been aligned with ISIS there. AND is still going after Assad. Why???
Dec 23, 2018 11:38:27 #
eagleye13 wrote:
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then h... (show quote)
No one ever mentions that the 2,000 advisors and support troops that are being withdrawn;
are there advising and supporting "rebel militias" in a civil war to oust Assad, AKA "Regime Change".
Dec 23, 2018 11:54:31 #
We should have never been in the first place, like the article explained .Those are not countries over there ,they have been fighting for a long time over there.We have been spending millions of dollars and wasting our country money to help other countries that don't want to be help.That money could have helped the homeless, our vets, job training for unemployed, and many other projects which should have been voted by the citizens, not by a government run by crooks.
Dec 23, 2018 13:16:16 #
Dec 23, 2018 13:52:29 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Superb post... Thank you...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Even though Russia is throwing some very heavy military weight into the equation? We walk away and Russia starts supplying chemical weapons and we end up back in.
Dec 23, 2018 13:53:48 #
woodguru wrote:
Even though Russia is throwing some very heavy military weight into the equation? We walk away and Russia starts supplying chemical weapons and we end up back in.
Not Gonna Happen.
Dec 23, 2018 14:54:20 #
woodguru wrote:
Even though Russia is throwing some very heavy military weight into the equation? We walk away and Russia starts supplying chemical weapons and we end up back in.
Who supplies the Chemical weapons, guru?
The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk
Dec 23, 2018 15:41:36 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
A-stan and Syria are apples and oranges. A-stan will always be A-stan, but there are significant reasons why self-determination in Syria may no longer be possible. Some sense of the geopolitics in the Middle East would be helpful in understanding this, and one doesn't have to be a military genius to figure it out. What is the root cause of conflicts in the Middle East? It isn't oil, natural resources, real estate, or Lebensraum, it is ethnicity and religion. Superb post... Thank you...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Pretty sure the Afghanis and Syrians will appreciate the right to determine their iwn fate as well... As all nations should...
Due to the many ethnic, linguistic, and religious divisions in Syria, the country is in a very fragile state. The Syrian civil war, along with the flood of Iraqi and Palestinian refugees has compounded the situation. Geographically, Syria is right in the middle of the growing pressures coming from all directions. Who or what ethnic and/or religious group is going to determine the fate of all Syrians?
Check out topic: Populism
Dec 23, 2018 16:30:20 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
A-stan and Syria are apples and oranges. A-stan wi... (show quote)
Regardless , it is their right to determine their own fate.. Perhaps Syria will unite and form an independent nation.. Perhaps they will fracture into a series of smaller nations... Perhaps , they will be absorbed by one of their more aggressive neighbors... It is not (in my opinion) the Western world's duty to interfere in their destiny...
Dec 24, 2018 11:19:25 #
eagleye13 wrote:
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then h... (show quote)
Spot on eagleye13! You're exactly right and your post summarizes it well! Trump campaigned on extracting us from the endless wars in the middle east and he's keeping that campaign promise. It's biblical. Abraham's first son Ishmael, the father of the warrior, nomad arab nations is described in Genesis as a wild man whose hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against him. Good luck changing biblical prophecy. Trump is exactly right - again!
Dec 24, 2018 11:30:27 #
waltmoreno wrote:
Spot on eagleye13! You're exactly right and your post summarizes it well! Trump campaigned on extracting us from the endless wars in the middle east and he's keeping that campaign promise. It's biblical. Abraham's first son Ishmael, the father of the warrior, nomad Arab nations is described in Genesis as a wild man whose hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against him. Good luck changing biblical prophecy. Trump is exactly right - again!
Amazing how Biblical prophesies become true.
BTW; Arabs are half brothers to Issac's seed line through Hagar.
A lot of prophesy there.
Mongol Turkish Ashkenazim Asians are not half brothers.
Dec 24, 2018 16:20:25 #
eagleye13 wrote:
'Trump temporarily intervened in Syria. And then h... (show quote)
Putin and Ahsad are probably tickled pink over Trump's claim that ISIS is defeated in Syria-keeping in mind that ISIS wasn't the problem in Syria in the first place,It was Ahsad and his brutal anti human rights violations which percipitated civil war circumstances.The rebels whom discerned that Ahsad should be over thrown and we're and still are in the amidst of trying to do as such.This got the previous administrations attention and it was engaging in
debate as to whether or not troops should be deployed in Syria to assist the rebels.Enter Putin,to protect his friend Ahsad.This created a dilemma for the U.S. as to whether or not those troops should be deployed in Syria due to a Putin presence; would it escalate a situation into global porportions,( you know).Although Syria is by virtue of the fact by definition of what ISIS's agenda is and what their goals are - was on the ISIS list,but not at that specific time; ISIS thought to take advantage of Ahsad's misfortune of having to contend with the rebels.He would have to fight a war on two fronts,the rebels,and ISIS also.Along came John[Trump] slowww thinking John,Hence ,Putin and Ahsad are giving John-a hearty thank you❣️ for stopping ISIS (they claim)and a double hearty 💓 💓 thank you for extracting the troops.
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