pafret wrote:
Considering that I never had the pleasure of hearing her speak on any topic there is no way I can comment and I suspect neither can you. It is sufficient for me that her piety, good works and miracles performed in her name were sufficient for her to be canonized. They are also proof that she has attained favor with the Lord.
But all those "works" wouldn't be good enough to get her in Heaven. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I'm just trying to say that unless you're saved works alone will not get you in Heaven.
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:9-10For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
mwdegutis wrote:
But all those "works" wouldn't be good enough to get her in Heaven. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I'm just trying to say that unless you're saved works alone will not get you in Heaven.
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:9-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
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Sounds like you need to put someone else down because you don’t measure up. She was a good woman, that is enough for me.
moldyoldy wrote:
Sounds like you need to put someone else down because you don’t measure up. She was a good woman, that is enough for me.
His hatred of Catholicism and Catholics is unbounded. It deprives him of common sense or any decency in appreciating the charitable work of this Saint.
moldyoldy wrote:
Mother Theresa's are still rare.
Not as rare as you would like to believe. Because they live logged of quiet service and dedication you never hear about them. Only those who sin are you concerned about. Why is that?
mwdegutis wrote:
But all those "works" wouldn't be good enough to get her in Heaven. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I'm just trying to say that unless you're saved works alone will not get you in Heaven.
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:9-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
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Remind me again what is faith without works?
moldyoldy wrote:
Sounds like you need to put someone else down because you don’t measure up. She was a good woman, that is enough for me.
You're partially right...NOBODY measures up. But I'm just stating biblical truth that you're ignorant of moldy.
padremike wrote:
Remind me again what is faith without works?
Works is evidence of your faith. But just because you help poor people doesn't mean you have faith.
mwdegutis wrote:
Works is evidence of your faith. But just because you help poor people doesn't mean you have faith.
Actually, I was looking for "Faith without works is dead."
padremike wrote:
Actually, I was looking for "Faith without works is dead."
That would be true.
The demons have dead faith...
You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. James 2:19 But like I said...works is EVIDENCE of faith.
padremike wrote:
Not as rare as you would like to believe. Because they live logged of quiet service and dedication you never hear about them. Only those who sin are you concerned about. Why is that?
I have held Nuns to higher esteem than priests because they rarely seem to fall from grace.
moldyoldy wrote:
I have held Nuns to higher esteem than priests because they rarely seem to fall from grace.
Odd that you would be concerned with grace at all let alone consider yourself an arbiture of who does or does not fall from any measure of grace.
padremike wrote:
Odd that you would be concerned with grace at all let alone consider yourself an arbiture of who does or does not fall from any measure of grace.
I am not religious, but I respect those who actually try to live their beliefs. Unlike the majority of pulpit pimps getting rich off the poor.
moldyoldy wrote:
I am not religious, but I respect those who actually try to live their beliefs. Unlike the majority of pulpit pimps getting rich off the poor.
I believe I understand what you mean. You subscribe to a different form of theft whereas the government steals from everyone, rich and poor, so they can 'redistribute resources equally. People have unquestionably died for that form of theft by the government in the past and since some folks never learn from history, undoubtedly others are needed to die to prove a negative again and again and again and again and again and again and again. Am I to reciprocate and admire you for your beliefs as you do a "few" of us?
"Not being religious" is a great qualification for you to judge those who, in your own opinion the "majority" are "pulpit pimps." My experience and observations are that the "majority" never entered the ministry for money. Yet as there are a few evil men (and women) in the ministry, I suppose one might actually find a couple half descent, but woefully misguided, Progressives.
padremike wrote:
I believe I understand what you mean. You subscribe to a different form of theft whereas the government steals from everyone, rich and poor, so they can 'redistribute resources equally. People have unquestionably died for that form of theft by the government in the past and since some folks never learn from history, undoubtedly others are needed to die to prove a negative again and again and again and again and again and again and again. Am I to reciprocate and admire you for your beliefs as you do a "few" of us?
"Not being religious" is a great qualification for you to judge those who, in your own opinion the "majority" are "pulpit pimps." My experience and observations are that the "majority" never entered the ministry for money. Yet as there are a few evil men (and women) in the ministry, I suppose one might actually find a couple half descent, but woefully misguided, Progressives.
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