jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

False, the Bible was translated from manuscripts not Roman Catholic church copies. The bibles have the second commandment intact among other words found in the original manuscripts that have been deleted from the Catholic version. However most has been retained in the Catholic version to prove the false teachings of the Catholic church.

Radiance3

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False teachings of Christ's Catholic Church? Your statement is so blasphemous. All those teachings in the Catholic church came from Jesus Christ. Those were the originals where your Solas 500 years ago was selectively copied from.

Christ endowed to Peter, the recipient or beneficiary of His Last Will, that Peter has to keep, continue, teach, and preach Christ's Catholic Gospel to the world.

Matthew 16:18-19.

Your Man-Made Sola Scripturas were copied without authorization, and therefore is an outlaw.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Look up your own catholic church history.

http://www.bible.ca/cath-new-doctrines.htm

Human Tradition is Elevated to Or Above the Word of God (1545 AD)
Wrong Gospel, Wrong Message of Salvation
Confession of Sins to Priest to Obtain Absolution of Sins
Penance
Priests
Celibacy of Priests and Nuns (1079 AD)
Confirmation
Extreme Unction (526 AD)
Infant Baptism (370 AD)
Transubstantiation (1215 AD)
Adoration of the Host (Wafer Bread) (1220 AD)
The Mass (394 AD)
Other Mediators Between God and Man
Prayers to Saints (375 AD)
Purgatory (593 AD)
Papal Infallibility (1870 AD)
Indulgences (1190 AD)
Idolatry = Making Images (786 AD)
Mary Veneration (431 AD)
Catholic Attitudes to the Bible (1229 AD)
Peter as the Rock
15 Apocrypha Books Added to the Old Testament Bible (1546 AD)
Names of Blasphemy (350 AD)
Rosary Prayer Beads (1090 AD)
Low Moral Standards
Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Mary
Crossing Oneself (300 AD)
Was Peter the First Pope?
Roman Catholic Lies, Immorality, Corruption
The Inquisition, Torture, Massacres, Murders, Wars (1184 AD)

What other doctrines will be invented?

Did Jesus establish a half hearted incomplete, unfinished church?

Did God leave important teachings out of the Bible? Is God forgetful?

The Roman Catholic Church cannot clearly and easily show its history before 320 AD, when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed conversion, amalgamated pagans and Christians, and declared himself to be the head or pontiff of the Universal (Catholic) Church.

The early Church never had many of the doctrines that the Roman Catholic Church now has.

"If they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20)

Question: What are some errors of the Roman Catholic Church?

ERROR 1: Human Tradition Is Elevated to Or Above the Word of God (1545 AD)

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy or vain deceit, after the tradition of man, .... and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8)

Jesus charges the Pharisees for exalting tradition above the Word of God in the same way that the Roman Catholic Church does:

"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
(Matthew 15:3)
"Ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites." (Matthew 15:6-7)
"In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:9)
"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind." (Matthew 15:3, 6-7, 9, 14)
I challenge Catholics to test their doctrines by God's Word. The Church does not give birth to the Word of God, but the Word of God gives birth to the Church. "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth." (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23)

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Did God leave important teachings out of the Bible? Is God forgetful?

The Roman Catholic Church cannot clearly and easily show its history before 320 AD, when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed conversion, amalgamated pagans and Christians, and declared himself to be the head or pontiff of the Universal (Catholic) Church.

The early Church never had many of the doctrines that the Roman Catholic Church now has.

"If they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20)

Question: What are some errors of the Roman Catholic Church?

ERROR 1: Human Tradition Is Elevated to Or Above the Word of God (1545 AD)

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy or vain deceit, after the tradition of man, .... and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8)

Jesus charges the Pharisees for exalting tradition above the Word of God in the same way that the Roman Catholic Church does:

"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
(Matthew 15:3)
"Ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites." (Matthew 15:6-7)
"In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:9)
"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind." (Matthew 15:3, 6-7, 9, 14)
I challenge Catholics to test their doctrines by God's Word. The Church does not give birth to the Word of God, but the Word of God gives birth to the Church. "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth." (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23)

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Jackie-boy, you sound very angry, have a beer, calm the hell down . . .

I've have proved you wrong, on so many occasions, I've lost count . . . When you have Truth on your side I always win and present the facts . . .


Something you cant do, for example when you post comments from articles.

Example:
You Jack never give the URL link and or the Author or give the web page address or answer one of my questions. Hummmmmm, think on that one Jackie-boy . . .

Now who is being narcissistic and being Religiously disingenuous . . . .


But the best thing I caught rose42 in a lie, which she has not admitted to the lie, she is worming and wiggling, non the less she is a bold face lier . . .


jack you all are is a Protestant narcissist's, One of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse."



On the Mother of God.

Can't you get this through your thick neanderthal Protestant head and walnut sized brain.

Catholics ("Venerate and Honor") the Mother of Our Lord, Mary, she is regarded as the First Saint of the Catholic Church. and was the first Catholic Christian assumed into Heaven.

Mary is the only person in the Bible who was graced by God, to be bestowed the title "Hail Full of Grace" by an Arch-Angel . . . Gabriel in the event we know as the Annunciation

Mary is a Christian role model.

Hail Mary: Kecharitomene, A Unique Word for a Unique Lady, the translation 'Full of Grace' does not go far enough.

χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη, ὁ κύριος μετὰ σοῦ.
Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!
Hail, "Full of Grace," the Lord is with you!

St. Jerome's translation known as the Vulgate, it is Ave, gratia plena (Hail 'Full of Grace'.



Again Jack, I say to your misconceived lying Protestant delusional pea-sized brain. One of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse."

Catholics do not worship Mary as a God . . . Got it jack sequim wa, for the zillionth time.

Stop making things up, in your pin-head Protestant world.


Have a nice day . . . one of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse."


Doc110

Rose42

No Doc, they worship her. I know it, I was raised a Catholic and know the difference. They believe she is more compassionate than God or Christ. That's why they pray to her - they think she can influence them. Pope John Paul II cried out to Mary after he was shot - NOT God, not Christ. That is pagan.

She was not the mother of God - that's not in the Bible. She was the mother of Jesus who already existed. Or do you deny He existed before he became human?

bahmer

Wow Rose42 that is potent you were raised a Roman Catholic that kind shoot that out of the water for old Doc110 there. Good one Rose42 thanks for that.

Radiance3

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All you have are LIES. In order to prove the validity of the 500-year old works of Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli, you've been trying to take over the rule of Saint Peter that since 1987 years ago, Christ officially bestowed His Teachings and His Catholic Church for St. Peter to continue. Matthew 16:18-19. The proof.

You wanted to remove Saint Peter, and place the three thieves and impostor to take over. That's is now where you Protestants stand your faith. Then create 47,000 interpretations to deceive and mislead the people.

The fact of the matter is:
ALL OF YOU ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST. You have NO COVENANT WITH CHRIST. Therefore you are all OUTCASTS.

Rose42

Proof? Here's proof the Catholic church is lying. You should read it.


"A stone is movable, unstable; and this is exactly what we see with Peter, who doubted when he walked on water, who denied Jesus, and who was rebuked by Paul at Antioch."

The Roman Catholic Church Puts a great deal of emphasis on Peter and claims that Jesus said he would build his church on him.

Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone," thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 552).
"By the word "rock" the Saviour cannot have meant Himself, but only Peter, as is so much more apparent in Aramaic in which the same word (Kipha) is used for "Peter" and "rock." His statement then admits of but one explanation, namely, that He wishes to make Peter the head of the whole community of those who believed in Him as the true Messias; that through this foundation (Peter) the Kingdom of Christ would be unconquerable; that the spiritual guidance of the faithful was placed in the hands of Peter, as the special representative of Christ." (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm).

The scripture reference to which the Roman Catholic Church attempts to substantiate its position is found in Matt. 16:18. Here it is in context.

"Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He began asking His disciples, saying, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it. 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ," (Matt. 16:13-20).

There are problems with the Roman Catholic position. First of all, when we look at the Greek of Matthew 16:18, we see something that is not obvious in the English. "...you are Peter (πέτρος, petros) and upon this rock (πέτρα, petra) I will build My church..." In Greek nouns have gender. It is similar to the English words actor and actress. The first is masculine, and the second is feminine. Likewise, the Greek word "petros" is masculine; "petra" is feminine. Peter, the man, is appropriately referred to as Petros. But Jesus said that the rock he would build his church on was not the masculine "petros" but the feminine "petra." Let me illustrate by using the words "actor" and "actress:" "You are the actor; and with this actress, I will make my movie." Do see that the gender influences how a sentence is understood? Jesus was not saying that the church will be built upon Peter but upon something else. What, then, does petra, the feminine noun, refer to?

The feminine "petra" occurs four times in the Greek New Testament:

Matt. 16:18, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (petros), and upon this rock (petra) I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it."
Matt. 27:60, "and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock (petra); and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away."
1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."
1 Pet. 2:8, speaking of Jesus says that he is "A stone of stumbling and a rock (petra) of offense"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed."

We can clearly see that in the three other uses of the Greek word petra (nominative singular; "petras" in 1 Cor. 10:4 is genitive singular) we find it referred to as a large immovable mass of rock in which a tomb is carved out (Matt. 27:60) and in reference to Christ (1 Cor. 10:4; 1 Pet. 2:8). Note that Peter himself in the last verse referred to petra as being Jesus! If Peter uses the word as a reference to Jesus, then shouldn't we?

In addition, Greek dictionaries and lexicons give us further insight into the two Greek words under discussion:

Petros:
Petros, "πέτρος, a stone, distinguished from πέτρα (Source: Liddell, H., 1996. A lexicon : Abridged from Liddell and Scott's Greek-English lexicon (636). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.).
Petros, Πέτρος, Peter, meaning stone. The masc. of the fem. pétra (4073), a massive rock or cliff.” (Spiros Zodhiates, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament, electronic ed., G4074, Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000, c1992, c1993).
Petros, Πέτρος, “a noun akin to 4073, used as a proper name; “a stone” or “a boulder,” Peter, one of the twelve apostles:— Peter(150), Peter’s(5).” (Robert L. Thomas, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries : Updated Edition, H8674, Anaheim: Foundation Publications, Inc., 1998, 1981).
Petra:
Petra, πέτρα , Ion. and Ep. πέτρη, , a rock, a ledge or shelf of rock, Od. 2. a rock, i.e. a rocky peak or ridge . . . Properly, πέτρα is a fixed rock, πέτρος a stone." (Source: Liddell, H. (1996). A lexicon : Abridged from Liddell and Scott's Greek-English lexicon (636). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.).
Petra, πέτρα , (4073) denotes a mass of rock, as distinct from petros, a detached stone or boulder, or a stone that might be thrown or easily moved." Source: Vine, W., & Bruce, F. (1981; Published in electronic form by Logos Research Systems, 1996). Vine's Expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words (2:302). Old Tappan NJ: Revell)
Petra, πέτρα, ας, ἡ (1) literally, living rock, bedrock (MT 7.24), in contrast to πέτρος (isolated stone); (Timothy Friberg, Barbara Friberg and Neva F. Miller, vol. 4, Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, Baker's Greek New Testament library, 311, Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books, 2000).
Petra, πέτρα, noun feminine; ≡ bedrock, (James Swanson, Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament), electronic ed., GGK4376 (Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997).
Petros & Petros
πέτρα petra; a prim. word; a (large mass of) rock:--rock(10), rocks(3), rocky(2). Πέτρος Petros, “a noun akin to 4073, used as a proper name; “a stone” or “a boulder,” Peter, one of the twelve apostles:— Peter(150), Peter’s(5).” (Robert L. Thomas, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries : Updated Edition, H8674, Anaheim: Foundation Publications, Inc., 1998, 1981).
"On this rock (ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ). The word is feminine, and means a rock, as distinguished from a stone or a fragment of rock (πέτρος, above)." (Marvin Richardson Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, 1:91, Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2002).
Petros, "πέτρος, a stone, distinguished from πέτρα. Petra, πέτρα , Ion. and Ep. πέτρη, , a rock, a ledge or shelf of rock, Od. 2. a rock, i.e. a rocky peak or ridge . . . Properly, πέτρα is a fixed rock, πέτρος a stone." (Source: Liddell, H. (1996). A lexicon : Abridged from Liddell and Scott's Greek-English lexicon (636). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.).

A stone is movable, unstable; and this is exactly what we see with Peter, who doubted when he walked on water, who denied Jesus, and who was rebuked by Paul at Antioch.

Matt. 14:29-30, "And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But seeing the wind, he became afraid, and beginning to sink, he cried out, saying, "Lord, save me!"
Luke 22:57-58, "But he denied it, saying, "Woman, I do not know Him." 58 And a little later, another saw him and said, "You are one of them too!" But Peter said, "Man, I am not!"
Gal. 2:11,14 "But when Cephas [Peter] came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned . . . 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?"

Jesus, who knew the heart of Peter, was not saying that Peter, the movable and unstable stone, would be the immovable rock upon which the Church would be built. Rather, it would be built upon Jesus; and it was this truth that Peter had affirmed what he said to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God," (Matt. 16:16). This is consistent with scripture elsewhere where the term rock is sometimes used in reference to God but never of a man.

Deut. 32:4, "The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice."
2 Sam. 22:2-3, "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; 3 My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge."
Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."

It should be obvious from the Word of God that the rock Jesus was referring to was not Peter--but himself.
The Aramaic Kepha

In contrast to this, in paragraph #2 at the beginning of this article, the Roman Catholic Church says that the rock cannot refer to Jesus "but only Peter--as is so much more apparent in Aramaic in which the same word (Kipha) is used for 'Peter' and 'rock.'" The problem is that the text is not in Aramaic--but Greek. Since we do not have the Aramaic text, it is not proper to refer to it as proof of the Roman Catholic position. We have to ask ourselves why the Roman Catholic Church would resort to using something that we don't have: the Aramaic text. Is it because their argument is not supported by the Greek, and so they must infer something from a text we don't possess?

Furthermore, in John 1:42 it says, "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas," (which is translated Peter)." The word "Peter" here is petros--not petra. It is used to elucidate the Aramaic kephas which is not a name in Aramaic.

"Except in Jn. 1:42, where it is used to elucidate Aramaic kēphás, Pétros is used in the NT only as a name for Simon Peter . . . The translation supports the view that Kēphás is not a proper name, since one does not usually translate proper names"1

Jesus is the rock on which the church is built

The truth is that the only foundation is Jesus. The only rock of truth is Jesus Christ; and that we, as his redeemed, need to keep our eyes on him. We are to look to no one else as the foundation, the source, or the hope on which the church is built. The Church is built upon Jesus--not Peter.

"For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ," (1 Cor. 3:11).

https://carm.org/is-peter-the-rock

Radiance3

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ALL LIES! You made it appear favoring your Sola Scriptura, the stolen Gospel from the Catholic Church of Christ. Then your Impostor Sola Scriptura, you will put on top of the Church of Christ, to remove the Church of Christ, and replace it with your stolen 500-year-old man made Scriptura. What blasphemous acts of thieveries you done Jack Sequim.

You are so desperate replacing Christ's Church and Saint Peter with your new Luther, Calvin and Zwingli as your saints to cover and erase the true Gospel of God.

Your Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli Gospel has become your new business venture as a lucrative source of income. All of the Pastors now 47,000 of them having their own attractive 47,000 interpretations of the Scriptures so that they attract more people to join them for more money.

Now, you Jack Sequim, has been doing this, proving that you are also competing with them, or now having lesser revenue due to fewer people you have lured to join your team. As a result, you have been destroying the reputations of the Catholic Church of Christ, Saint Peter, the Vatican, and all Catholic members of our faith for 2000 years. Hoping you can lure them to your church.

bahmer

Really Radiance you need to go talk to your priest and get some new talking points you have worn these out and we are laughing at you not with you. If this is what Roman Catholicism reduces a person to you are the perfect reason to chase people out of the Catholic Church.

Radiance3

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Rose , you have been reciting your stolen Scriptures of the Sola Scriptura. You've not proven anything, every word you uttered from the Scriptures. Without proof of anything your mouth's utterance are all WORTHLESS. Like parroting every word, just is what you do.

All the 500-year old Scriptures you are blabbing, were stolen from the 2000 year old Scriptures of Christ.

bahmer

You are getting so tiring that even Doc110 is not coming to your support anymore that is how boring you have become. Your own are even deserting you and cute little one trick always the same . You stole our scriptures you aren't allowed to have them Peter didn't ordain you blah blah blah blah dam old same old Radiance3 Boring.

Radiance3

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You are not worth my time dumb bahmer, you big empty liar head! You do a good job as cheering squad for the Sola Scriptura's 5 members of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Rose42

Time to put up or shut up Radiance. Show anything was 'stolen' from the Catholic church or stop that silly talk