UnionSparky Loc: left coast

[quote=catpaw]“Nobody pretends that democracy is perfect or at all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” — Winston Churchill

Just for the record we are a republic not a democracy. A democracy is ruled by majority vote. That is why we have the House of Representatives and the Senate. Originally the Senate had 2 people sent by the state government and was not voted on by the people.
The other major difference is the electoral college for electing the president.
Not to mention the 3 branches, to police and restrain the others.

catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California

Strangely enough, Lincoln had no content, no record, was hardly ever casting any votes, made a loser our of our country and had people wondering can we survive under the rest of his unleadrship.

UnionSparky Loc: left coast

Are you trying to bring Lincoln down to Obama's level? Or Obama up to Lincoln's level?
Had it not been for Lincoln, Obama would not have had the opportunity to do such a bad job.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Thank you for taking the time to post truth against these falsifiers. Their bigotry and hatefulness is shameful. Their every post is twisted.

UnionSparky Loc: left coast

I challenge you to prove anything, I personally have posted here, on this thread a lie.

catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California

[quote=UnionSparky]

Good point we should be reminded.
I think the most of us (including Churchill) understand the distinction. ["...and for the republic, for which it stands..."]

Perhaps because it is not a long stretch of logic that our republic stems from democratic ideals, it is I so often hear the terms used interchangably. I've come to rely on the context of the labels.

catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California

Just sayin' that the judgement you are applying now may prove to be invalid in years to come.

Retired669

He hasn't made my birthday party either since he became president... :mrgreen:

Loki Loc: Georgia

You must not have anything he wants.

UnionSparky Loc: left coast

I feel pretty confident Obama will never be considered, a better president. Or even come close to Lincoln's equal.
Just for the record, this is in no way based on skin color. I could care less what a persons appearance is. My judgement is solely on how a person treats me or on their merit. Please leave your racist accusations for someone else.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

I was referring to the original posted subject and its falsification of Obama's patrtiotism.

Since you brought up the subject, I checked up the page to your reply to the Winston Churchill statement that democracy is a form of government full of faults but the best form of government when other forms are compared. You snarked in reply that we aren't a democracy but a republic. That's a TWIST, and twisting is a particularly disingenuous and despicable form of falsification. We are both a democracy and a republic. Britain is a monarchy and a parliamentary democracy--and so practiced in principles of a "republic" that it is sometimes more a republic and democracy than we are.

Moreover, you snarked your twist against truth in defense of the original arguers of the falsification of Obama's patriotism. Now is that enough proof that you are a falsifier?

You know, you didn't need to snark in to begin with. I do apologize for being so rudely snarky back, but really you people are something else again in your fanaticism, partisanship, and, yes, just plain snarkiness, twistings, and falsifications.s

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Thanks, Cold hard one, for considering the majority of Americans fools. You are so respectful of the people of this republic. You think so highly of our government and what we have achieved and have become. It is so heartening to have you speak of the positive side of America. You are so patriotic.

FALSIFIER, TRAITOR TO EVERYTHING AMERICA HAS ACHIEVED THE PAST 100 YEARS, HATER OF THE REAL AMERICA---you are indeed a cold one, an iron fascist type. Why don't you emigrate to Russia where your kind fits in.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Apologies, folks, I'm kind of on a rampage today. I think one of the rabid right wingers may have bitten and infected me.

UnionSparky Loc: left coast

According to Websters Third College ed.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote (the electorate) and is exercised by representatives elected directly or indirectly, by them and responsible to them.
3. a state or nation with a president as it's titular head.
There are four total definitions, 2 and 4 are not applicable for this discussion. I believe that negates your claim that I'm twisting. Being that we have have a president, not a Prime Minister. And while a democracy by definition is similar, where it differs is that majority rules and the common people esp. wielders of political power.
As for my initial post, Obama did not attend the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.
Your feeble attempt to appease me with an "apology" with a caveat. The claim of "you people", you do not know me, how dare you judge me. Please tell me in your infinite non-partisan or without being a fanatic, who I am. You have several choices, am I republican, tea partyer, libertarian , Reagan democrat or green party? Don't forget independent.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Your intent was to falsify regarding Obama's patriotism. I don't care what you call yourself, you are a political falsifier and totally disingenuous. How do you like the truth?

By the way, what do you call yourself? I'm a conservative Democrat myself. I believe in freedom and self government and in America as the example of and champion of self-government and freedom in the world. I consider extremism and absolutes as the threat to America and the Free World and all we stand for.

There are lots of extremists on OPP whose twisted anti-America ideas need to be called out. There's even a pro-Russia anti-America propaganda operation currently ongoing on OPP depicting America as world hegemon and imperialist...literally 'moo'-ing Moscow propaganda quotes, some direct from Russia Today, a key part of Putin's New Russia propaganda network.