JFlorio wrote:
Thanks. I notice many Democrats are now accusing Republicans of power grabs before a New Democrat governor is sworn in. Seems to be mostly about common sense changes to their states voting laws.
In our little small county the Democratic county clerk lost the election to a Republican. The Democrat was busy making copies of all the registered voters, many have been dead for several years. One of the poll workers brought it to the attention of the poll supervisor.the supervisor told her don't worry about it she would take care of it.
The poll worker was asked by another poll worker he thought her Uncle was dead. The worker was told he just voted. The Supervisor told her "don't worry about it, I'll take care of it.
It is everywhere. Even in our little back water county.
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
The machines do have capabilities for all disabilities! Voter I’d should be the law of the land as well as English only with no interpreters allowed! No mail out ballots and no provisional!! Outside auditor counters!!!
Voter ID is pretty much the norm in most states. The heat actually comes about because some states try to make it harder to get ID.
Then there are states such as Florida where a person registers to vote, they are properly on the election roll, they appear, show ID, and their signature doesn't match...that negates standing there with matching picture ID and an unqualified person can say the signature doesn't match, so they have to do a provisional ballot and the games begin on that? States that are kicking in provisional ballots do it to reject the provisionals wherever possible, it's what ties up the election counts. Florida is constantly rejecting provisional ballots for one reason or another, they've been doing it for decades. Not only that Florida created a complicated system which is fine, but wants to impose unreasonable deadlines that make defaults likely. Florida is dealing with a ludicrous amount of provisional ballots that take hand counting because of mickey mouse hurdles. The fact of the matter is when Florida makes it easier to vote more dems will vote.
The practice of caging serves no purpose but to affect selected target demographics. Sending out hundreds of thousands of post cards that have to be returned, but doing it in selected zip codes targets groups along partisan lines. If it gets done it needs to be done with every voter in the state, not certain ones.
Meanwhile in North Carolina these are not vague allegations that have no proof, these people did it so stupidly they left a trail a blind man could follow. it's the bench mark that needs to be addressed so as to send the message and structure laws against that thing.
We are seeing a few states that make people jump through hoops to vote, they jump through the hoops and then they still get screwed around with lines that can take hours to get through, and long lines become longer lines next election when polling places are reduced, machine numbers are decreased, and voting days and hours are reduced. Election day on a Tuesday, why would that be? Why not a Saturday so it doesn't affect workers? Any district that had lines longer than a couple of hours at a max needs to do any options that relieve those lines, more days not less, more hours, more machines. Georgia was reported to have 2000 unused machines in storage, and cities with lines that were way too long.
Pennylynn wrote:
In light of the messes in North Carolina, Arizona, Montana, Ohio, North Dakota, Georgia, California, New Jersey, Utah, Florida, and Alaska.... do you think we need some changes to how votes are cast, voter identification, and equipment? Do you think that stricter laws on absentee ballots/mail in ballots need to be put in place in light of issues surrounding many states? Do you think that dead people should be purged from systems? Do you think voting should be extended beyond one day? And finally, do you think that only those who are voting should be able to enter and linger around the voting site.
I personally think:
Voter ID is an excellent step forward and I think that absentee voting needs to be reigned in.... perhaps a requirement that the absentee voter provide evidence that they will be out of country (this would include military) or a physician's statement that an individual is housebound (this would include hospitalization or retirement facilities) and can not vote in person. And these two reasons should be the only ones acceptable for absentee voting. Other than that, the voter should present themselves in person along with their identification at the polls.
In light of this, I think that voting should be expanded beyond one day... perhaps a week or even two. This would allow everyone a chance to vote in person... unless certified out of country or housebound.
To prevent voter intimidation, the area in proximity to the voting polls should be for those waiting to cast their vote or exiting the facility after voting and not be a place for demonstrators or those encouraging/discouraging vote(s) for any political party. And it would eliminate exit poll takers and news people from influencing voters.
Busing of voters need a hard look.... neither party should be allowed to harvest votes. Public transportation should be provided free of charge to anyone traveling to the polling office and back to their original embarkation after they have cast their votes. No mass transit sponsored in behalf of a candidate, church groups, and so forth regardless of party.
Plain unsealed boxes should be used to store office supplies and not voter boxes.
Ballots should be exclusively in English which would require that a single national language be adopted for the USA. And all ballots need to be handicap accessible, meaning ballot boxes or machines be equipped with braille.
No votes should be accepted or counted after the polls close. This would eliminate the "found" votes lying about on tables or back-room storage.
A consistency in voting machines across the nation that has a paper trail.
This is only a first blush... I am sure I missed some key recommendations, so feel free to banter this around.
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That is a very good starting point and could be refined after the first run if needed.
Pennylynn wrote:
In light of the messes in North Carolina, Arizona, Montana, Ohio, North Dakota, Georgia, California, New Jersey, Utah, Florida, and Alaska.... do you think we need some changes to how votes are cast, voter identification, and equipment? Do you think that stricter laws on absentee ballots/mail in ballots need to be put in place in light of issues surrounding many states? Do you think that dead people should be purged from systems? Do you think voting should be extended beyond one day? And finally, do you think that only those who are voting should be able to enter and linger around the voting site.
I personally think:
Voter ID is an excellent step forward and I think that absentee voting needs to be reigned in.... perhaps a requirement that the absentee voter provide evidence that they will be out of country (this would include military) or a physician's statement that an individual is housebound (this would include hospitalization or retirement facilities) and can not vote in person. And these two reasons should be the only ones acceptable for absentee voting. Other than that, the voter should present themselves in person along with their identification at the polls.
In light of this, I think that voting should be expanded beyond one day... perhaps a week or even two. This would allow everyone a chance to vote in person... unless certified out of country or housebound.
To prevent voter intimidation, the area in proximity to the voting polls should be for those waiting to cast their vote or exiting the facility after voting and not be a place for demonstrators or those encouraging/discouraging vote(s) for any political party. And it would eliminate exit poll takers and news people from influencing voters.
Busing of voters need a hard look.... neither party should be allowed to harvest votes. Public transportation should be provided free of charge to anyone traveling to the polling office and back to their original embarkation after they have cast their votes. No mass transit sponsored in behalf of a candidate, church groups, and so forth regardless of party.
Plain unsealed boxes should be used to store office supplies and not voter boxes.
Ballots should be exclusively in English which would require that a single national language be adopted for the USA. And all ballots need to be handicap accessible, meaning ballot boxes or machines be equipped with braille.
No votes should be accepted or counted after the polls close. This would eliminate the "found" votes lying about on tables or back-room storage.
A consistency in voting machines across the nation that has a paper trail.
This is only a first blush... I am sure I missed some key recommendations, so feel free to banter this around.
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I have one suggestion. Limit absentee ballots to Americans living out of the country at election times (military bases, ships, embassies, American corporations, etc). Then, appoint the head honcho of the base, the ship and the embassy to be in charge of voting for all Americans at that location. The number of ballots needed are sent to this person far enough in advance for all such voting to be held on one specific day two weeks prior to the official election day. The honcho in charge sets up a specific voting space there on Anerican soil (base, ship, embassy), man the space with officer supervisors to keep everything legit. American corporation employees living there must go the the embassy on that day to vote. At the end of the voting day, the head honcho is responsible for boxing up the completed ballots by state in sealed boxes and transporting them to each state's secretary of state by diplomatic pouch, by plane under guard. And that takes care of all Americans living out of the country at election time. As for, those of us at home, my state allows early voting in presidential years for ten business days, 7 am to 7 pm, prior to election day. Now, that is plenty of time for any American who WANTS to vote to do do, regardless of ANY special arrangements needed. As for retirement homes, etc, on any specific day prior to election, why cannot the local election boards go to those locations and hold voting there since each location involves a large number of people. The caveat here would be only mentally healthy should be allowed to vote. Anyone in this country, based on my own state, that says it is too difficult to get to the polls to vote is just plain lying and making excuses.
Pennylynn wrote:
Excellent... I had not thought about making it a holiday. Some companies already make the time spent voting a paid leave status.... so, if the person takes time off for voting, they still get paid (providing they voted and did not use the time to go fishing). But, I like your idea.
Frankly, I see no need for giving employees time off work to vote. Doesn't every state, like mine, have early voting? So, no one needs to wait until election day and then whine about the long lines. I think with the early voting days, we have made it easy enough for everyone and nothing further needs to be done. I do wonder about the machine voting because technology/mechanics are so easily messed with. Maybe a return to paper ballots signed by the voter is least open to fraud? I do believe each voting place should be constantly patrolled by a person from each political party to prevent fraud committed by poll workers.
maryjane wrote:
I have one suggestion. Limit absentee ballots to Americans living out of the country at election times (military bases, ships, embassies, American corporations, etc). Then, appoint the head honcho of the base, the ship and the embassy to be in charge of voting for all Americans at that location. The number of ballots needed are sent to this person far enough in advance for all such voting to be held on one specific day two weeks prior to the official election day. The honcho in charge sets up a specific voting space there on Anerican soil (base, ship, embassy), man the space with officer supervisors to keep everything legit. American corporation employees living there must go the the embassy on that day to vote. At the end of the voting day, the head honcho is responsible for boxing up the completed ballots by state in sealed boxes and transporting them to each state's secretary of state by diplomatic pouch, by plane under guard. And that takes care of all Americans living out of the country at election time. As for, those of us at home, my state allows early voting in presidential years for ten business days, 7 am to 7 pm, prior to election day. Now, that is plenty of time for any American who WANTS to vote to do do, regardless of ANY special arrangements needed. As for retirement homes, etc, on any specific day prior to election, why cannot the local election boards go to those locations and hold voting there since each location involves a large number of people. The caveat here would be only mentally healthy should be allowed to vote. Anyone in this country, based on my own state, that says it is too difficult to get to the polls to vote is just plain lying and making excuses.
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The Socialist Democrats have that under control. Evsryone in nursing homes vote the Democrat ticket even if they want to vote Republican.
That was the point. It’s too easy to vote and more opportunities for fraud. Cut back on early voting and make Election Day a Holiday.
maryjane wrote:
Frankly, I see no need for giving employees time off work to vote. Doesn't every state, like mine, have early voting? So, no one needs to wait until election day and then whine about the long lines. I think with the early voting days, we have made it easy enough for everyone and nothing further needs to be done. I do wonder about the machine voting because technology/mechanics are so easily messed with. Maybe a return to paper ballots signed by the voter is least open to fraud? I do believe each voting place should be constantly patrolled by a person from each political party to prevent fraud committed by poll workers.
Frankly, I see no need for giving employees time o... (
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Pennylynn wrote:
In light of the messes in North Carolina, Arizona, Montana, Ohio, North Dakota, Georgia, California, New Jersey, Utah, Florida, and Alaska.... do you think we need some changes to how votes are cast, voter identification, and equipment? Do you think that stricter laws on absentee ballots/mail in ballots need to be put in place in light of issues surrounding many states? Do you think that dead people should be purged from systems? Do you think voting should be extended beyond one day? And finally, do you think that only those who are voting should be able to enter and linger around the voting site.
I personally think:
Voter ID is an excellent step forward and I think that absentee voting needs to be reigned in.... perhaps a requirement that the absentee voter provide evidence that they will be out of country (this would include military) or a physician's statement that an individual is housebound (this would include hospitalization or retirement facilities) and can not vote in person. And these two reasons should be the only ones acceptable for absentee voting. Other than that, the voter should present themselves in person along with their identification at the polls.
In light of this, I think that voting should be expanded beyond one day... perhaps a week or even two. This would allow everyone a chance to vote in person... unless certified out of country or housebound.
To prevent voter intimidation, the area in proximity to the voting polls should be for those waiting to cast their vote or exiting the facility after voting and not be a place for demonstrators or those encouraging/discouraging vote(s) for any political party. And it would eliminate exit poll takers and news people from influencing voters.
Busing of voters need a hard look.... neither party should be allowed to harvest votes. Public transportation should be provided free of charge to anyone traveling to the polling office and back to their original embarkation after they have cast their votes. No mass transit sponsored in behalf of a candidate, church groups, and so forth regardless of party.
Plain unsealed boxes should be used to store office supplies and not voter boxes.
Ballots should be exclusively in English which would require that a single national language be adopted for the USA. And all ballots need to be handicap accessible, meaning ballot boxes or machines be equipped with braille.
No votes should be accepted or counted after the polls close. This would eliminate the "found" votes lying about on tables or back-room storage.
A consistency in voting machines across the nation that has a paper trail.
This is only a first blush... I am sure I missed some key recommendations, so feel free to banter this around.
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I think we have enough laws, we should just enforce them and the slighest infraction should result in prison time!
Pennylynn wrote:
In light of the messes in North Carolina, Arizona, Montana, Ohio, North Dakota, Georgia, California, New Jersey, Utah, Florida, and Alaska.... do you think we need some changes to how votes are cast, voter identification, and equipment? Do you think that stricter laws on absentee ballots/mail in ballots need to be put in place in light of issues surrounding many states? Do you think that dead people should be purged from systems? Do you think voting should be extended beyond one day? And finally, do you think that only those who are voting should be able to enter and linger around the voting site.
I personally think:
Voter ID is an excellent step forward and I think that absentee voting needs to be reigned in.... perhaps a requirement that the absentee voter provide evidence that they will be out of country (this would include military) or a physician's statement that an individual is housebound (this would include hospitalization or retirement facilities) and can not vote in person. And these two reasons should be the only ones acceptable for absentee voting. Other than that, the voter should present themselves in person along with their identification at the polls.
In light of this, I think that voting should be expanded beyond one day... perhaps a week or even two. This would allow everyone a chance to vote in person... unless certified out of country or housebound.
To prevent voter intimidation, the area in proximity to the voting polls should be for those waiting to cast their vote or exiting the facility after voting and not be a place for demonstrators or those encouraging/discouraging vote(s) for any political party. And it would eliminate exit poll takers and news people from influencing voters.
Busing of voters need a hard look.... neither party should be allowed to harvest votes. Public transportation should be provided free of charge to anyone traveling to the polling office and back to their original embarkation after they have cast their votes. No mass transit sponsored in behalf of a candidate, church groups, and so forth regardless of party.
Plain unsealed boxes should be used to store office supplies and not voter boxes.
Ballots should be exclusively in English which would require that a single national language be adopted for the USA. And all ballots need to be handicap accessible, meaning ballot boxes or machines be equipped with braille.
No votes should be accepted or counted after the polls close. This would eliminate the "found" votes lying about on tables or back-room storage.
A consistency in voting machines across the nation that has a paper trail.
This is only a first blush... I am sure I missed some key recommendations, so feel free to banter this around.
In light of the messes in North Carolina, Arizona,... (
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Excellent ideas, which just goes to show that when such decision are to be made, the people smart enough to make them aren't the ones we elect to do so.
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