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Dec 3, 2018 09:25:06   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Brava!
The international left cannot achieve their goal of a borderless one government world with Islam as the policing religion with sovereign nations like Russia and America. Look at whom they attack. Trump and Putin.
Old George HW Bush was among the republicans who were working towards that goal.
Everyone in Washington DC knows who is who. Not many support Trump and his staunch defense of American sovereignty as the lone Superpower.


And moonbats that didn't and don't see that are just useful idiots!

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Dec 3, 2018 09:43:22   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
buffalo wrote:
20 Reasons Why Obama Was the Most Divisive President In History

1. Americans are "racist"
Listen to Obama complain that no one liked his policies because they’re “racist” against him in this tirade. But that wasn’t the only time.

While speaking at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Sept. 2014, Obama not only blamed police for black community mistrust, but also proclaimed that “most Americans” think the country is racist.

The speech came not long after the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., inspired violent race riots. Police desperately needed the support of the president at the time, but instead he chastised them.

2. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"
In another example of unnecessarily inserting himself into a sensitive racial issue, Obama proclaimed after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

Again, making that correlation was completely unnecessary – it served no purpose other than to make non-black Americans feel guilty and uncomfortable.

3. He told Latino voters to "punish" their "enemies"
Make no mistake about it – failed President Barack Obama was the most divisive president in decades. The left seems to forget the sick things he said and did. Let’s recap just a few:

In a radio interview with Univision in Oct. 2010, Obama urged Latino voters to “punish [their] enemies” and “reward [their] friends who stand with [them].”

Not only was this a strident call to racial politics, but it reinforced the dangerous and divisive liberal sentiment that anyone who thinks differently than them are not just opponents, but actual enemies.

4. He used the White House Easter prayer to attack Christians
In 2015, Barack Hussein Obama used his remarks at the White House Easter prayer breakfast to attack Christians:

“On Easter, I do reflect on the fact that, as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have to say that sometimes, when I listen to less than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned. But that’s a topic for another day.”

He made no mention of the massacre of Christian students by Islamic extremists at a university in Kenya just days before.

5. "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion"
While on the campaign trail in 2008, Obama drew the ire of small-town working class Midwestern voters when he chalked up their economic frustrations to racism. As Obama said at the time, “They get bitter, cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Obama couldn’t have sounded more elitist if he tried.

6. He made up a white girlfriend to highlight race issues in his memoir
In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama details how he broke up with his “New York girlfriend,” who was white, over race-related issues.

However, it later came to light that the New York girlfriend was not a real person, and instead a “compression” of girlfriends, including Genevieve Cook. In other words, he made up a person just to make a divisive racial point.

7. He called his own grandmother a "typical white person"
While on the campaign trail in 2008, Obama opined that his white grandmother “once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.” He attempted to walk back his comment afterwards – but he only made it worse:

“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”

He might as well have just come out and said what he meant: “All white people are inherently racist.”

8. He ignored the violence at Black Lives Matter protests
Obama frequently invited leaders of the often violent and militant Black Lives Matter movement to the White House. Despicably, after five Dallas police officers were murdered at a BLM demonstration in July 2016, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said, “I would not describe the White House as concerned about these protests. They’re exercising their freedom of speech, they’re exercising their freedom of assembly. That’s a good thing. That’s a good start.”

9. He ignored black-on-white violence
After a black nationalist murdered five Dallas police officers in cold blood, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said the suspect “said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.” But when Obama commented on the shooting while in Warsaw, Poland, he said, “I think it’s very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter.”

On the contrary, the shooter’s motives were explicitly clear. Obama just chose to ignore them.

10. He constantly downplayed radical Islamic terrorism
After Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook, who both had ties to ISIS, killed 14 people at an office Christmas party in San Bernardino, Calif., Obama urged the public not to jump to the conclusion that it was terrorism just because the perpetrators were Muslim.

“It is possible that this was terrorist-related, but we don’t know. It’s also possible that this was workplace-related.” However, in the cases of the deaths of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Freddie Gray, and others, Obama was quick to immediately (and incorrectly) jump to racism.

11. His hypocritical response to the Planned Parenthood shooting
While Obama exercised restraint concerning attacks like those in San Bernardino and Orlando, he positively exploded following the Nov. 2015 shooting at a Planned Parenthood.

“If we truly care about this — if we’re going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience — then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them.”

Obama clearly let his feelings about the victims vs. the perpetrator dictate his reactions.

12. He frequently invited Al Sharpton to the White House
Al Sharpton is an unabashed race-baiter, and he visited Obama’s White House no less than 100 times. In fact, Obama liked Sharpton’s work so much that he made him the White House’s unofficial race ambassador, sending Sharpton on his behalf to tackle sensitive issues such as the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Freddie Gray. Was there really no one else Obama could have picked for that job?

13. He called Americans "lazy" multiple times overseas
How’s this for divisive: while speaking at a town hall in Laos in Sept. 2016, Obama – the President of the United States – called Americans “lazy” multiple times:

“If you’re in the United States, sometimes you can feel lazy and think we’re so big we don’t have to really know anything about other people.”

The comment was certainly a jab at the soon-to-be-elected Donald Trump, who had vowed to put America first.

14. He said police "acted stupidly" for arresting black Harvard Prof. Henry Louis Gates Jr.
In July 2009, just months after assuming office in the White House, Obama proclaimed at a press conference that Cambridge, Mass. police officers “acted stupidly” when they arrested black Harvard Prof. Henry Louis Gates Jr.

Obama had no evidence about happened during the arrest, and no standing to make such a ridiculous, racially divisive remark. Police unions across the country demanded an apology, and Obama eventually walked back his statement.

15. The "Beer Summit"
Following Gates’s arrest, Obama famously invited Gates and Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley (the arresting officer) to the White House to hash out the issue over a few beers. The “beer summit” severely downplayed the controversy surrounding the incident, and it angered many African-Americans who had voted Obama into office just weeks before.

As David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies said at the time, Obama “should have just passed on the question” about Gates’s arrest from the start.

16. He called Republicans the "most potent recruitment tool" for ISIS
During the height of the debate over whether Syrian refugees should be more thoroughly vetted, Obama said in an address in the Philippines that he couldn’t think of a “more potent recruitment tool for ISIL than some of the [GOP] rhetoric that’s coming out of here during the course of this debate.” It was just one example of many times a liberal likened Republicans to terrorists.

17. "It's easier to buy a Glock than a book"
If Obama’s reaction to the murder of five Dallas police officers wasn’t despicable enough, he also used his speech at their memorial service to push his anti-gun agenda. Bizarrely, Obama made the completely incorrect claim that it’s easier for teens to buy a Glock than it is to buy a book.

18. "You didn't build that"
While on the campaign trail in Roanoke, Va., in 2012, Obama used classic Marxist rhetoric when he completely discredited successful business owners.

“If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Like a true liberal, Obama didn’t believe that it was possible for anyone to succeed without government aid.

19. "So sue me."
Continuing with the trend of divisive class rhetoric and his dictatorial, imperial use of the Executive Office, in July 2014 Obama defended his use of executive action to help the middle class by literally taunting Republicans: “Middle-class families can’t wait for Republicans in Congress to do stuff. So sue me.”

20. He never "Paid his fair share"
Obama’s war on wealthy Americans was a constant throughout his presidency, but his hypocrisy over this particular issue was fully exposed in April 2013. During a Friday afternoon news dump at the time, Obama demanded that “the wealthiest Americans should pay their fair share” in taxes.

Yet, in the very same paragraph, the White House admitted that Obama had paid just 18.4% in taxes in 2012 – a lower rate than Warren Buffet’s secretary.

Videos with each reason:

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/20-reasons-obama-most-divisive-president-history/20/
20 Reasons Why Obama Was the Most Divisive Preside... (show quote)



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Dec 3, 2018 10:31:53   #
free believer
 
What a breath of fresh air to read your thoughtful well stated truths! you have risen above the convoluted propaganda of partisans and instead given a boost every American patriot. BRAVO!

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Dec 3, 2018 10:36:09   #
free believer
 
The above praise is for Chris O'leary

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Dec 3, 2018 12:40:00   #
Nickolai
 
4430 wrote:
Tell me who took the Social Security money and left an IOU to the people ?

My parents we never on food stamps nor housing





Reagan Doubled FICA then took the money to spend it on his star wars program

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Dec 3, 2018 12:43:09   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Nickolai wrote:
Reagan Doubled FICA then took the money to spend it on his star wars program


Horrible.
Let's all move to Benaayzooayla and bring Alexandria Obamio-Castrio as our enlightened leader. I hear the rice is good there, right out of the public pot.

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Dec 3, 2018 13:49:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Why is President Trump disliked and distrusted by so many?

By Chris O'Leary...10 years of active duty in the U.S.M.C. (1989-2000)

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I’m a right-leaning centrist who has voted Republican way more often than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

A.) He lies a lot. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly false or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”
B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.
C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the religious right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like life.
D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.
E.) His ideas on “keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.
F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't’ understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. And that was a man with a much better business track record then Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
G.) He’s unethical and always has been. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.
H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is yes. But Russia has to be the ones who earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.
I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't’ like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “nuclear option, remove the filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an anti-2A President wins the next election?
J.) He is and always has been an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the democrats…Absolutely false. See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.
K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.
L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him.
M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis (who is a gem) have been horrendous. A secretary of education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of energy who didn't know the department of energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an attorney general who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great republican states rights rally cry again, right? *crickets*) An interim AG after firing his first AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.
N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 97% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is thin -skinned, childish, a bully and never mind his being misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.
P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the president of the United States! You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before...yes, they always have.. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.
Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running casinos, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it is estimated would have been worth $10 billion more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in index funds and left it alone.
R.) As president, he refuses to take leadership positions and understand that he is everyone’s President .Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my president” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.
S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in April of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is hilarious.)
T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.
U.) Face it. In any other election “grab-em’ by the pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.
V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump. His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.
W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the stock market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that its’ all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and then, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! stock markets losing because the democrats won! Do I need to bring out the stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?
X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “both sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all republicans, not all Trump supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the freaking president needs to be standing up and saying 'no'. Those are not our values.
Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that is who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking the practice clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the practice clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.
Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than me may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the tea party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?
Why is President Trump disliked and distrusted by ... (show quote)


In other words you're a never Trumper. Much of what you describe is as if you are describing many in politics, but you act as if Trump is the king pin of it all.

I disagree with racist and misogynist. He's not. He does pay attention to scientific fact, you don't.

It's OK. Your opinion is simply what they told you it is.

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Dec 3, 2018 14:23:46   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
In other words you're a never Trumper. Much of what you describe is as if you are describing many in politics, but you act as if Trump is the king pin of it all.

I disagree with racist and misogynist. He's not. He does pay attention to scientific fact, you don't.

It's OK. Your opinion is simply what they told you it is.



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Dec 3, 2018 15:11:57   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
In other words you're a never Trumper. Much of what you describe is as if you are describing many in politics, but you act as if Trump is the king pin of it all.

I disagree with racist and misogynist. He's not. He does pay attention to scientific fact, you don't.

It's OK. Your opinion is simply what they told you it is.

In other words, your handlers have done a thorough number on you, while (IMO) Mr. O'Leary handled the topic quite well. For as you know, we all are entitled to our opinions.

BTW, always good to hear from ya', Nwtk...even when in disagreement.

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Dec 3, 2018 16:40:17   #
Seth
 
Nickolai wrote:
Reagan Doubled FICA then took the money to spend it on his star wars program


Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI).

-- "Money well spent."

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Dec 3, 2018 21:37:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
In other words, your handlers have done a thorough number on you, while (IMO) Mr. O'Leary handled the topic quite well. For as you know, we all are entitled to our opinions.

BTW, always good to hear from ya', Nwtk...even when in disagreement.


And you too, slatten. But seriously, mysoginy? Racist? Saying those describe Trump proves our boy here is just mouthing the never Trump's.

Plenty of black folks and women agree with me on that as well.

I'll address this more later.

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Dec 4, 2018 20:55:59   #
Nickolai
 
Seth wrote:
Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI).

-- "Money well spent."







But it was all borrowed money --he ran the national debt from 32 % of GDP to 53 % of GDP in 8 years and set the trend of living on borrowed money

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Dec 4, 2018 21:58:35   #
Seth
 
Nickolai wrote:
But it was all borrowed money --he ran the national debt from 32 % of GDP to 53 % of GDP in 8 years and set the trend of living on borrowed money


It was also instrumental in winning the Cold War.

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Dec 5, 2018 06:33:40   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Seth wrote:
It was also instrumental in winning the Cold War.


BULLSHIT! Its only purpose would have been if we planned on starting a nuclear war because if we did not have it, neither side would start such a war. It was a waste of BILLIONS of taxpayer money. The money would have been better invested in early childhood development or repaying the Social Security Trust fund. At least that investment would definitely be paying off by now.

It had nothing to do with the fall of the Soviet Union. The Soviet economy was doomed long before the star wars bullshit waste of taxpayer BILLIONS. Their costly and unwinnable war in Afghanistan had more to do with the collapse of the Soviet economy. (Obviously after 17 years and over a TRILLION cost of taxpayer money in Afghanistan, the US hasn't learned anything). The Soviet economy was based mainly on oil exports, and oil prices were very low throughout the 1980s.


Yet another notch to take down the darling of conservatives.

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Dec 5, 2018 09:15:41   #
Seth
 
buffalo wrote:
BULLSHIT! Its only purpose would have been if we planned on starting a nuclear war because if we did not have it, neither side would start such a war. It was a waste of BILLIONS of taxpayer money. The money would have been better invested in early childhood development or repaying the Social Security Trust fund. At least that investment would definitely be paying off by now.

It had nothing to do with the fall of the Soviet Union. The Soviet economy was doomed long before the star wars bullshit waste of taxpayer BILLIONS. Their costly and unwinnable war in Afghanistan had more to do with the collapse of the Soviet economy. (Obviously after 17 years and over a TRILLION cost of taxpayer money in Afghanistan, the US hasn't learned anything). The Soviet economy was based mainly on oil exports, and oil prices were very low throughout the 1980s.


Yet another notch to take down the darling of conservatives.
BULLSHIT! Its only purpose would have been if we ... (show quote)


A very "liberal" POV.

Actually, attempting to "keep up with us," according to the Soviets at the time, was a factor. What they did not know, however, was that we hadn't gotten as far in development of SDI as Reagan, playing poker with them, led them to believe, nor had we spent as much as we were told.

Our built-in prop, a lot of screeching, blubbering, limp wristed liberal pantywastes, made enough noise that the USSR was convinced we'd done more than we had as they whimpered "Don't arm space!"

A wonderful time was had by all.

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