For Those Who Envision The Founders' Understanding of Today's Use of the Second Amendment
Nov 26, 2018 18:03:41 #
old marine
Loc: America home of the brave
Nickolai wrote:
The right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of keeping slaves in line putting down rebellions catching runaways, old ancient thing like that can always be amended-- the guns confiscated and melted down. In part by forbidding almost all forms of firearm ownership, Japan has as few as two gun-related homicides a year, compared to 35,000 in the US
The right to keep guns was for hunting purposes.
I don't recall any hunter tracking down a slave to kill and cook. Maybe Nickolia, your ancestors were cannibals. Were they
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Nov 26, 2018 18:06:28 #
old marine
Loc: America home of the brave
Nickolai wrote:
et a ball bat Who is going to threaten you if they have no access to guns. A lot of people are shot with guns stolen in burglaries. I remember one home invasion with a gun stolen in a burglary the night before. The wife answered the door and screamed the Husband came running with hi gun and shot the burglar with the gun but the burglar with gun killed him. If he hadn't tried to be a hero he would be alive today and if the burglar hadn't stolen it the night before they both might be alive
And if bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bust their butt's when they hopped.
Nov 26, 2018 18:07:38 #
old marine
Loc: America home of the brave
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you can read, see Federalist #46. Madison will set you straight on why we have a 2nd amendment. It has nothing whatsoever to do with keeping slaves in line, putting down rebellions, and catching runaways, old ancient things like that.
Try reading Article V of the constitution, it will help you understand what it takes to add an amendment or repeal an existing one.
Try reading Article V of the constitution, it will help you understand what it takes to add an amendment or repeal an existing one.
Who is going to teach him to read?
Check out topic: How to Lose an Ally in Ten Days
Nov 26, 2018 18:11:31 #
Nov 26, 2018 18:11:37 #
old marine
Loc: America home of the brave
Nickolai wrote:
Madison was a slave owner
Nearly all the farmers of the Constution owned slaves but they were nicely kept. It wasn't until after the cotton gin was invented more and more slaves were needed and their treatment Demolished somewhat.
Nov 26, 2018 18:13:49 #
Nov 26, 2018 18:47:28 #
In 1791 there was a Social civility which disappeared decades ago! People were mostly religious or at least adhered to the Judo-Christian doctrine! Murder, stealing and theft was a bare minimal as to be considered zero when compared to today's occurrences! So following the above post: Would it be better to remove all of the people doing evil actions of remove my personal protection afforded by the Second Amendment? The 2nd in its self does not cause me any danger, it is the unchecked actions of the evil people causing the problem! Hence, between the two unworkable options maybe there is a third: Governmental leaders strongly enforce the penalties long outlined on protecting Citizens rights!
Nov 26, 2018 19:17:53 #
Nickolai wrote:
That's the point there were no autos, radio tv, internet, trans national corporations., Semi Automatic machine guns. The agrarian civilization was central in the lives of people the world has changed and it is the 21 st century and 35.000 people per year ae being killed by guns per year
https://forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/
Nov 26, 2018 19:19:46 #
Bad Bob
Loc: Virginia
Seth wrote:
https://forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/
F*** the 2nd amendment.
Nov 26, 2018 19:34:12 #
old marine wrote:
Nearly all the farmers of the Constution owned slaves but they were nicely kept. It wasn't until after the cotton gin was invented more and more slaves were needed and their treatment Demolished somewhat.
Whether some slaves were treated well or not does not matter. Slavery was not uppermost in the minds of the founders. They didn't think about ways to enable slave owning as most simply accepted slavery as the norm of life at that time. There were other things they felt far more important to spend their time and energy on. In fact, if anything, the pendulum was beginning to swing against slavery. Abolitionists were on the increase. And men like Jefferson wrote against the practice. He felt it was contradictory to work toward a free nation without including freedom for all. He inherited a slave holding plantation and tried to free them all. But because the plantation was in debt, the laws in Virginia at the time would have allowed any he freed to be taken and sold to pay off the debt. After his attempt the law was changed to forbid any emancipation for any reason.
As for the cotton gin, you have that wrong. Before the cotton gin the labor needed was even greater as the seeds had to be hand separated from the bolls of cotton. This was a very labor intensive job.
Nov 26, 2018 19:45:15 #
Lou239 wrote:
In 1791 there was a Social civility which disappea... (show quote)
So did England just like to spend the time, money, and energy to transport people to penal colonies when there was almost no crime? While transportation to the Americas from England ended with the onset of the Revolutionary War, it wasn't because there was a sudden cessation of crime. Transportation continued to Australia only ended in the 1850s. And criminal transportation by France to their own penal colonies continued until the 1950s!
And just how would you go about removing all the people doing evil actions?
Nov 26, 2018 19:51:13 #
Bad Bob wrote:
F*** the 2nd amendment.
Then Uncle Sam'll have to break into your basement and confiscate your .22 peashooter.
Nov 26, 2018 21:01:31 #
The THIRD OPTION ENFORCE THE LAW! If the evil feel they are in danger most will stop doing their evil (like Pavlov's Law) - all others get REAL jail time not this candy dandy type incarceration. Children learn not to touch a hot stove either by listening to parental law or by burning them self! Unfortunately too many leaders won't REALLY enforce the Law so it is totally understood!
Nov 26, 2018 21:15:38 #
Lou239 wrote:
The THIRD OPTION ENFORCE THE LAW! If the evil feel they are in danger most will stop doing their evil (like Pavlov's Law) - all others get REAL jail time not this candy dandy type incarceration. Children learn not to touch a hot stove either by listening to parental law or by burning them self! Unfortunately too many leaders won't REALLY enforce the Law so it is totally understood!
The rest of us don't live in cartoon land.
Even if all criminals could be caught, and all courts had the where-with-all to throw the book at all criminals; there are many who are undeterred by the sentences. In fact the worst violent criminals may be far more afraid of what their own gang will do to them than what our legal system might. Then there are the fanatics who look forward to being a martyr. There are the sociopaths. And by far the majority of criminals simply believe they will never have to pay the price for their crimes.
Nov 26, 2018 21:32:57 #
Nickolai wrote:
The right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of keeping slaves in line putting down rebellions catching runaways, old ancient thing like that can always be amended-- the guns confiscated and melted down. In part by forbidding almost all forms of firearm ownership, Japan has as few as two gun-related homicides a year, compared to 35,000 in the US
I get it now. You're a Nazi
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