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Mar 15, 2014 22:40:34   #
funguy1949
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
We know the diference and know that they exist. Our Constitution prevents them from instituting their desires and thet is why they are trying to go around it. If you do not know Obama is a socialist at heart then you need to go back to eleementary school. Income equality is at the heart of socialism and Marxism. Take time to read the Communist Manefesto. Obama has.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: An the obama dog is using every word a play by play in this book I for one will not go down with out a fight. Who served his country as well paid into the SS system all my life just to see this SOB take it away ,just to give it the no account leahes.An you can thank LBJ for doing that "welfare" another DAM liberal.JUST to have the same leaches to vote for them.I'd say if they want buy there votes let the DAM demwits pay it out of there own pockets.An leave the hard working tax paying citizen alone.

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Mar 16, 2014 09:40:21   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the party of the new middle class. That means business owners. The conservative movement was to become the political movement of the landed aristocracy and the socialists were the party of labor. Times have changed, but as this demonstrates, liberals do not have roots in socialism. Socialism is a radical or revolutionary movement. It seeks to change the world in very fundamental ways. Socialist doctrine calls for the means of production to be in the hands of the government intrust for the working class. Depending on the type of socialism, it may seek power by violent overthrow of the government.
Liberalism wants none of these goals. It seeks to reform society through democratic means. The Liberal movement seeks to make life better for ordinary people. Issues like providing health benefits, old age income, a higher minimum wage, and civil rights have and are liberal issues. The Liberal movement has different goals, different methods, different roots and different interests than socialism. If you think they are similar, you really ought to go back to high school government class.
The Dutchman wrote:
What a crock!

Liberal or Socialist
Liberal socialism is a socialist political philosophy that includes communist principles within it. Liberal socialism has the communist goal of abolishing capitalism with a socialist economy;

The Conservatives want to keep things as they are; the liberal / socialists want to change everything; they want to change things but not so as you'd notice; (and so we have the “liberal socialist”).

Originally, Conservatism's aim was to conserve the existing order and protect the economy from foreigners,
Liberalism's was to loosen restrictions and advance free trade. Socialism differed in advocating a classless society in which all had an equal stake and so they merged.

Liberalism / Socialism represented shades of ruling-class opinion in the 19th century and both sought to exclude the workers from any undue influence. Socialism appealed to the workers because it promised to dispossess the rulers and owners and share wealth and power equally.

The terms ‘socialism’ and liberalism’ are justifiably used a lot nowadays, and most people often associate one with the other. The tenets of liberalism / socialism assert that the state should wield total economic power by manipulating prices of goods and wages of workers.

Furthermore, liberalism / socialism requires people to submit to the rule of law. In return for their compliance, citizens are provided with resources rationed by the government. The classical liberalism / socialism goals are that the government should take control of an institution in order to ensure that it continues to be of service to the people, free of charge. Classical liberalism / socialism wants the government to enforce law and order and subjugate its citizens under the iron rule of law and order.

Modern liberalism / socialism asserts that aside from ensuring economic and political security, it is also the government’s job to interfere with people’s day-to-day affairs in order to maintain social security. Modern liberalism / socialism, in effect, both of them assert that the government can effectively uplift its citizens not only by seizing control of the economy or private institutions, but also by keeping a close watch on citizens to ensure that none of them become subversive. Many modern-day politicians have been supporting modern socialism under the guise of liberalism as to conceal their real goals because they believe that the government can solve all problems once it is granted total power. These politicians point out the inequality of different classes in society, and propose reforms that at first seem to favor the poor and marginalized, but in the end just grants the government reason to extend its powers to curtail private interests. And even though liberals seem to advocate reforms to improve government policy, they are still embracing the same old political structure to further their own ambitions.

So in closing liberal is a synonym for socialist period!

This one needs to be a thread of it's own.....
What a crock! br br Liberal or Socialist br Liber... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 12:36:33   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Sorry to say this, but BS!

saltwind 78 wrote:
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the party of the new middle class. That means business owners. The conservative movement was to become the political movement of the landed aristocracy and the socialists were the party of labor. Times have changed, but as this demonstrates, liberals do not have roots in socialism. Socialism is a radical or revolutionary movement. It seeks to change the world in very fundamental ways. Socialist doctrine calls for the means of production to be in the hands of the government intrust for the working class. Depending on the type of socialism, it may seek power by violent overthrow of the government.
Liberalism wants none of these goals. It seeks to reform society through democratic means. The Liberal movement seeks to make life better for ordinary people. Issues like providing health benefits, old age income, a higher minimum wage, and civil rights have and are liberal issues. The Liberal movement has different goals, different methods, different roots and different interests than socialism. If you think they are similar, you really ought to go back to high school government class.
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the par... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 12:54:43   #
The Dutchman
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the party of the new middle class. That means business owners. The conservative movement was to become the political movement of the landed aristocracy and the socialists were the party of labor. Times have changed, but as this demonstrates, liberals do not have roots in socialism. Socialism is a radical or revolutionary movement. It seeks to change the world in very fundamental ways. Socialist doctrine calls for the means of production to be in the hands of the government intrust for the working class. Depending on the type of socialism, it may seek power by violent overthrow of the government.
Liberalism wants none of these goals. It seeks to reform society through democratic means. The Liberal movement seeks to make life better for ordinary people. Issues like providing health benefits, old age income, a higher minimum wage, and civil rights have and are liberal issues. The Liberal movement has different goals, different methods, different roots and different interests than socialism. If you think they are similar, you really ought to go back to high school government class.
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the par... (show quote)


When I was in school things were one hell of a lot different!
Todays liberals are as socialistic as they come, you people think the government is better at dictating what is and isn't good for us. You people think the government should take care of everything, and that is as socialistic as it can be.
Todays liberalism is socialism period!!
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-10756-1.html

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Mar 16, 2014 12:56:05   #
The Dutchman
 
ginnyt wrote:
Sorry to say this, but BS!


Most of it's rants are!!

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Mar 16, 2014 14:28:51   #
Hungry Freaks
 
It's futile to try and get the dutch boy to engage in any intellectual pursuit or try and education himself in the history of political and economic thought.

On another thread, he claims liberal socialism, as proposed by John Stuart Mills, is communism.

He routinely makes statements and, when those statements are refuted, he results to personal insults.

This is a damaged person, mentally, intellectually and emotionally. It started out with his raving homophobia, a ruse to assuage or erase his own conflicted same sex attractions, to, now, his bogus revisionist histories.

He, along with others on this forum, equate liberalism to socialism to communism, to Marxism to Nazism. Totally hopeless to try and speak sensibly with such a person.

How do you deal with someone so stunted as this?



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saltwind 78 wrote:
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the party of the new middle class. That means business owners. The conservative movement was to become the political movement of the landed aristocracy and the socialists were the party of labor. Times have changed, but as this demonstrates, liberals do not have roots in socialism. Socialism is a radical or revolutionary movement. It seeks to change the world in very fundamental ways. Socialist doctrine calls for the means of production to be in the hands of the government intrust for the working class. Depending on the type of socialism, it may seek power by violent overthrow of the government.
Liberalism wants none of these goals. It seeks to reform society through democratic means. The Liberal movement seeks to make life better for ordinary people. Issues like providing health benefits, old age income, a higher minimum wage, and civil rights have and are liberal issues. The Liberal movement has different goals, different methods, different roots and different interests than socialism. If you think they are similar, you really ought to go back to high school government class.
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the par... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 15:07:00   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Once again I sit here and say, is this the pot calling the kettle black?

Hungry Freaks wrote:
It's futile to try and get the dutch boy to engage in any intellectual pursuit or try and education himself in the history of political and economic thought.

On another thread, he claims liberal socialism, as proposed by John Stuart Mills, is communism.

He routinely makes statements and, when those statements are refuted, he results to personal insults.

This is a damaged person, mentally, intellectually and emotionally. It started out with his raving homophobia, a ruse to assuage or erase his own conflicted same sex attractions, to, now, his bogus revisionist histories.

He, along with others on this forum, equate liberalism to socialism to communism, to Marxism to Nazism. Totally hopeless to try and speak sensibly with such a person.

How do you deal with someone so stunted as this?



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It's futile to try and get the dutch boy to engage... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 15:25:43   #
Hungry Freaks
 
ginnyt wrote:
Once again I sit here and say, is this the pot calling the kettle black?


Maybe from your kind, gentle perspective.

I call it returning in kind, although at least I don't make such blunders as labeling "liberal socialism" as a communist philosophy.

dutch boy is a vile person in word and content of those words. He has been that way since I first tried to gently disabuse him him of his notion that there were no homosexuals in the military prior to the end of don't Ask, don't Tell.

Just look at his avatar to see where he's coming from.

You, by comparison are a puddy tat.

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Mar 16, 2014 19:54:05   #
funguy1949
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the party of the new middle class. That means business owners. The conservative movement was to become the political movement of the landed aristocracy and the socialists were the party of labor. Times have changed, but as this demonstrates, liberals do not have roots in socialism. Socialism is a radical or revolutionary movement. It seeks to change the world in very fundamental ways. Socialist doctrine calls for the means of production to be in the hands of the government intrust for the working class. Depending on the type of socialism, it may seek power by violent overthrow of the government.
Liberalism wants none of these goals. It seeks to reform society through democratic means. The Liberal movement seeks to make life better for ordinary people. Issues like providing health benefits, old age income, a higher minimum wage, and civil rights have and are liberal issues. The Liberal movement has different goals, different methods, different roots and different interests than socialism. If you think they are similar, you really ought to go back to high school government class.
The liberal idea started in Europe. It was the par... (show quote)


:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
I don't give a dam about socialism the united states was not built on this platform it was built on freedom's an not on
communistic BS idea's.An all you liberals who want this can all go to hell,and climb back into the toilet form which you and your obama dog came from I did not serve my nation for freedom just to watch it go to crap in a handbag, with out a fight for my freedom and rights.back in the 70's while stationed in england I can tell you how socialism health care worked.I became very good friends with an elderly couple they were in there 80's.I ended up taking him to the emergency room.he ended up waiting for nearly 6 hrs to have the rest of his arm amputated due to a compound fracture then on top of that they sent him home no follow-up appt.'s an very few pain pills.hell he nearly bleed to dealth waiting for care why because the younger ones had priority over older ones ,I even watched them at the store as they purchised dog & cat food, I didn't ask why knowing fully the truth they didn't have any pets.He was retired on a pension as a laborer another socialism program.SO if that is what you want as liberals you can all go stick your heads up your obama dog's A&*.

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Mar 16, 2014 20:24:27   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Nasty mouth. You should respect the office of the POTUS. I can think of a lot of Republicans that I think are crazy out of touch with most of us, and war criminals, but I would never describe them with the kind you use. I also served and I would respect the office if not the man. I can think of some things that made him a good President.
1) He got Bin Laden
2) He saved the American automobile industry.
3) He avoided a possible to depression by saving the auto industry
4) He go us out of the war in Iraq
5) He is getting out of the war in Afghanistan.
6) He put existence a national health plan
I think that this shows a competent approach despite a campaign of ugly far right extreme opposition.

funguy1949 wrote:
:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
I don't give a dam about socialism the united states was not built on this platform it was built on freedom's an not on
communistic BS idea's.An all you liberals who want this can all go to hell,and climb back into the toilet form which you and your obama dog came from I did not serve my nation for freedom just to watch it go to crap in a handbag, with out a fight for my freedom and rights.back in the 70's while stationed in england I can tell you how socialism health care worked.I became very good friends with an elderly couple they were in there 80's.I ended up taking him to the emergency room.he ended up waiting for nearly 6 hrs to have the rest of his arm amputated due to a compound fracture then on top of that they sent him home no follow-up appt.'s an very few pain pills.hell he nearly bleed to dealth waiting for care why because the younger ones had priority over older ones ,I even watched them at the store as they purchised dog & cat food, I didn't ask why knowing fully the truth they didn't have any pets.He was retired on a pension as a laborer another socialism program.SO if that is what you want as liberals you can all go stick your heads up your obama dog's A&*.
:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 22:18:19   #
The Dutchman
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Nasty mouth. You should respect the office of the POTUS. I can think of a lot of Republicans that I think are crazy out of touch with most of us, and war criminals, but I would never describe them with the kind you use. I also served and I would respect the office if not the man. I can think of some things that made him a good President.
1) He got Bin Laden Prove it! He had a body disposed of so no one could prove it wasn't, Then he had all those involved killed as to not out his phony lying ass!
2) He saved the American automobile industry.with a failed stimulus at the taxpayers expense saving only the commie unions that still hasn't been repaid in full
3) He avoided a possible to depression by saving the auto industry he avoided a mass rebellion by the unions by bailing them out!
4) He go us out of the war in Iraq and into what?
5) He is getting out of the war in Afghanistan. by supporting the terrorists!
6) He put existence a national health plan an out and out under the cover of darkness illegal act!
I think that this shows a competent approach despite a campaign of ugly far right extreme opposition.
Nasty mouth. You should respect the office of the ... (show quote)


The piss ant is an out and out fraud hell bent on destroying the country the working man created in his efforts to give the useless parasites on the welfare take more of what they never earned....

This is your beloved messiah!
This is your beloved messiah!...





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Mar 16, 2014 22:57:34   #
funguy1949
 
The Dutchman wrote:
The piss ant is an out and out fraud hell bent on destroying the country the working man created in his efforts to give the useless parasites on the welfare take more of what they never earned....


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: THANK YOU Dutchman thought I was the only one here who was fighting for our freedom & rights.All these liberals that are on here must be on welfare nothing but leachers an we all know what leaches do the blood sucking pariasites.

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Mar 16, 2014 23:03:31   #
The Dutchman
 
funguy1949 wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: THANK YOU Dutchman thought I was the only one here who was fighting for our freedom & rights.All these liberals that are on here must be on welfare nothing but leachers an we all know what leaches do the blood sucking parasites.


Let's let the blood sucking parasites chew on this for awhile! It'll really get their panties in a wad Eh?

"Stop Trashing Obama"

by COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and
PATRICK RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.
He has done more than any other President before him.
Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.


First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.


First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.


First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.


First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.


First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).


First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our
friends" tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth. (I think our National Anthem is....if all the hip-hop Nashville cowboys would stop improvising and sing it as it should be sung.)

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences."

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.)

How is this hope and change' working out for you?

It's hard to comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!!!!

What in God's name is wrong with our government that they allow his guy carte blanch. It absolutely boggles my mind.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

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Mar 16, 2014 23:06:11   #
funguy1949
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Nasty mouth. You should respect the office of the POTUS. I can think of a lot of Republicans that I think are crazy out of touch with most of us, and war criminals, but I would never describe them with the kind you use. I also served and I would respect the office if not the man. I can think of some things that made him a good President.
1) He got Bin Laden
2) He saved the American automobile industry.
3) He avoided a possible to depression by saving the auto industry
4) He go us out of the war in Iraq
5) He is getting out of the war in Afghanistan.
6) He put existence a national health plan
I think that this shows a competent approach despite a campaign of ugly far right extreme opposition.
Nasty mouth. You should respect the office of the ... (show quote)




:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: respect what a pieces of sh8t,that goes down the toilet,you voted for the lieing dog not me.as far as I'm cocerned he hasn't done nothing but dragged this nation down the toilet,as for you an the rest of the demwit brainwashed/braindead lieing pollcats liberals you too can go to down the toilet from which you dog came from

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Mar 16, 2014 23:09:47   #
The Dutchman
 
I just had a dream!



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