Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Could it be that how you look at seeing that some one who has less than you gets a little from you & is helped & good comes of that help?

Can I suggest that if we could see that every one in need had a little more, that more good would come of it?

Now what if our economic system truly worked on seeing that every one was a part of the system & didn't need gifts from others?

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I guess that if we stay away from topics that have people calling each other names & follow topics that the posts are civil on we will find a nicer forum.

We don't need to agree with what each of us says but just point out why & how we disagree. Agree when ever we agree & disagree when we disagree & avoid being uncivil.

If others are not civil we don't need to respond to them.
Only when they are civil should we respond to them.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Let me see if I can answer your questions. First I do not look for any return for anything I give. I give for two reasons, 1. It is the right thing to do and 2. It is part of my teachings. I am not sure what to make of your second question. Giving is part of my culture. What a person does with the gift, that is up to them. There have been and always will be people that have needs. We can not help each person, it is physically, economically, and logistically impossible. There never will be a society that does not have a person that every once in a while will run into unforeseen problems and those people should be helped. It is not my responsibility to ensure that the people who make bad decisions, who refuse to work, who are just baby factories are ensured a rich life. Each person sets their standards and they work toward those standards. If you are like some, they may think that having enough for their immediate needs is sufficient and therefore they live from pay to pay. There are some that think that the nation owes them a good life and they are the ones that steal, cheat, lie and spend their lives scheming their next score from the comfort of their sofa (complements of the government) in their abode (complements of the government) while getting high (complements of the government) while 3 or 4 children run around taking lessons from their parents on how to scam the system. Then there are others who have a little bit, work hard and save, those are the ones that the government hit in the midriff and over tax and overwork. But, somehow these people pull themselves up and become wealthy and they pass that wealth on to their children along with work ethics, traditions, and the attitude that no one owes them anything. If they want something, they have to do it for themselves.


I hope I addressed your questions. Even if I did not, I am growing weary of defending myself and my belief system. I wish that I could apologize to you.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

welcome aboard!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

You seem like a nice person & lead a good life.

But what I think you fail to realize is that the wealth that is building up in the hands of those so called hard working people is not being made by hard work on their part.

It is their money that makes them richer. Money in a system that puts money ahead of human effort.

Money that keeps getting sucked up in to the hands of the few that use that money to make more money.

That money is sucked up from those of us that do the real work.

If you are so happy with giving more & getting less for you effort than is fair then you will continue to live in a country & world that will only get worse. More people every day falling behind. How many days before it is you or I needing hand outs?

I may have enough for a couple of years & I hope you have enough also.

Life is just a game for those that have the money.
A game where it is not to how much you have but to see how much more you can get. It dose not matter where or from who or how they get it.

Some how I few that you are too nice a person to play that game. But by stepping aside you let others play the game & that is not in your best interests.

For those that seem to want to set on the sideline the answer lays in what the government does to even things out a little.

I on the other hand am playing in the game. But I am only in the game trying to keep up. Evey day the cost of things keep going up. My having a nest egg comes from living on less that I take in.

Just some random thoughts that go through my mind.

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

And let's not forget the ever popular, "agree to disagree".

No, we don't HAVE TO respond if we don't wish to, but at the same time, we don't have to respond in the same rude or disrespectful manner. One is not obligated to lower standards.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I beg to differ with you. First, I am wealthy. In fact my entire family is what many call rich. My income is well into six figures without the use of a decimal point each month and my bank account is well over the none of anyone's business balance and that does not include business I own and stocks. My father left me money because his father did....all the way back to whenever. Each person that inherits are given the same challenge, leave more for your children than I left for you. To that end, I have worked my entire life. All of my family worked until retirement and even some afterward. We invested our money, we saved, and yes we do not owe anyone one single penny. And I am fulfilling the wish of my father, I am leaving my children more than what he left me. If that is somehow wrong in your books of balances, then it is wrong. But, I can tell you that we are not stingy people. I will not go into detail, but we give more to our community, the poor, and even to our youth in form of scholarships. In fact, I started one in the name of my late husband only 2 years ago. We are far from selfish. And I resent you implying that we are!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Okay we both have more than average.

It isn't your personal wealth that I called attention too.

You will do things for others, that is good.

I will leave you alone. It is just that taking care of you & yours or me & mine will never make the world a better place to live in.

It is how every one fares in the system that matters.
For with out a sound system we all fail.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

And you miss the point. The point is, one should NEVER do for someone what that person is not willing to do for themselves. If a person makes the choice of not working, I WILL not support them. If a person chooses to have more children than they can afford the I WILL not support them. I will help anyone who is down on their luck, I will give children the best opportunity to obtain an education but NOT because of the color of their skin, but on academic (does not include sports) achievements. People need to stop speaking in generalities. It is the wrong approach, each person contribute or take from the nation as a whole. When one speaks in generalities, no one takes responsibility. Ergo, to say that you are not addressing my circumstances, you are giving me an out. No one is entitled to an out, everyone needs to be involved and responsible. I will tell you what my father taught me. Those who are capable of working, need to work. Those that are temporarily down, should be given a hand. But, temper your soft heart and realize that a fool and their money quickly part ways.

HomeLearner

Thank you very much for your input. I appreciate your welcoming me.

HomeLearner

Thank you for welcoming me. I look forward to joining rewarding discussions.

HomeLearner

I do not mean to be rude, but how did this conversation start on my thread?

HomeLearner

Thank you very much for your kind and sound words.