What could be said to change a Trump voter's mind? (Page 11): quote quote.....I beg to differ. Christ said,"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". Jesus was saying pay what is...

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Fit2BTied wrote:

...as well as someone who avoids answering a direc... (show quote)

quote[Christ was not political]quote.....I beg to differ. Christ said,"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". Jesus was saying pay what is owed to the party in power.Jesus didn't blast government leaders because it just wasn't done. Looks to me like liberals could take a lesson here....requite the respect for the party in power, and do not belittle the leaders of the nation. You think it will take?.......................Nah....me neither.....

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Carol Kelly wrote:

Just what true Americans needed! Conservatives ar... (show quote)

Hurrah!!!!!!!Hurrah!!!!!!

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

lindajoy wrote:

I did once I started reading it and yes, I do agre... (show quote)

I wish there had been a proposition on my ballot to vote for what you just said. Voting yes would be a no brainer. Very well said.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

maximus wrote:

quote[Christ was not political]quote.....I beg to differ. Christ said,"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". Jesus was saying pay what is owed to the party in power.Jesus didn't blast government leaders because it just wasn't done. Looks to me like liberals could take a lesson here....requite the respect for the party in power, and do not belittle the leaders of the nation. You think it will take?.......................Nah....me neither.....

Respecting government authority isn't actually political. What I meant was he took no side. Had no political tribe.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Peewee wrote:

Just use your own thoughts, words, and beliefs for a change, instead of someone else's. That would be fair and reasonable.

USMC6976

Carol Kelly wrote:

And how about the poor guys coming back from Viet Nam. Californians throwing rotten fruit and eggs at them. The rest of America making their home life miserable and the families of those fallen in battle driven from place to place to hide their identities. Oh, we were great then, weren’t we? You all May have forgotten, but I remember the horror and shame.

Oh yeah. I remember getting fired from a job because the owner's secretary was scared to work with a Marine that had been in combat. I just laughed at him and went on my way. There's no fixing stupid.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Hemiman wrote:

Coming from you, Hemiman, that's an amazing endorsement of the post, as you never have cared for my thoughts, words and/or beliefs.

Besides, as is likely realized, those thoughts, words and beliefs are often enough expressed. And, as I've frequently posted, many cut 'n pastes are less an endorsement of the writer's opinion than for the primary purpose of drawing others opinions on the topic for discussion.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

USMC6976 wrote:

Oh yeah. I remember getting fired from a job because the owner's secretary was scared to work with a Marine that had been in combat. I just laughed at him and went on my way. There's no fixing stupid.

So she didn't feel safe that there was someone there who could handle any sideways situation, she was afraid you'd go postal? That kind of stupid is what today's education system supplemented by a lifetime of media bias is producing. You're right, that cannot be fixed.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Hadenough wrote:

Slat,
In answer to your question of this post, how about a big NOTHING. You can’t argue with success and what could be without obstructionists and the resistance.

I can't say that you didn't respond to the question with brevity.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

USMC6976 wrote:

Oh yeah. I remember getting fired from a job because the owner's secretary was scared to work with a Marine that had been in combat. I just laughed at him and went on my way. There's no fixing stupid.

Laughing and walking away is a good way to deal with such a mindset.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

lindajoy wrote:

I did once I started reading it and yes, I do agre... (show quote)

Thank you, L-J.

Though we disagree on some matters, on this and many others, we are in accord on things more important than politics or ideologies.

JediKnight

Fit2BTied wrote:

Since I believe you directed this to me, I would concur with darn near every single thing you just said. As to the "why are there parties", it's just a consequence of all men being created equal and all men being equally stained by sin. Avarice, jealousy, pride - you name it. And now we have 2 main parties and off-shoots of each going toward the middle or farther right or left and everyone believes they know what needs to be done to make things better. Unfortunately, making things better for some just means making things go their way. And because over time, some have accumulated enormous wealth and power there is another small group that has set things up so that "the house wins" whether the Democrats rule or the Republicans rule - rule being a term that describes the level of power granted by "the house" to the Democrats or Republicans to govern those beneath them. If we could hit a big reset button and get back to the point at which our leaders believed in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the "house" didn't exist, I believe that mankind would ensure that history would eventually repeat and we'd get back to where we are now, or somewhere similar. So I may lean a little more toward glass half empty than most. And as you can tell from a lot of my posts, I am more than a little sarcastic. It doesn't mean I no longer hope for better days, but I can see what a daunting task it will be for us to get there - and I know that only the tip of the iceberg is visible to me.

So. I consider myself a very flawed Christian. I love my family and friends. I try to help others in need where I can. I try to apply the golden rule (the thing I fail at most often). And i try not to be a "net negative" influence on things, cause if you're that, then you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

I reread this to make sure it made a little sense and I thought I'd add that one of the things that keeps me sane is that I know God's plan is at work and my place in it, as small as that may be, is secure.

Since I believe you directed this to me, I would c... (show quote)

Fit2BTied: you have summed it up succinctly! From what you posted, I believe you are trying to walk closer to God every day, you recognize your shortcomings, and are willing to do what you can to do and be better! I applaud and salute you! May the Lord God bless and keep you (and your family), may He make His face to shine upon you and and order your steps that you walk closer to Him. Thank you for sharing....be a blessing and be blessed!

Ricktloml

lindajoy wrote:

Do you believe we can change this wreckless course of discord or are we so devided we can’t get passed “all fair in love and war??” as the excuse to be so unbending anymore??

What will it take????

And that beautiful little precious in your arms I would gladly take .... what a sweetheart!!!❤️
I hope we leave her a country united and not civil war division...

None of this demonization of opponents is new to the left, it has been standard fare for decades. What has unhinged them is those who have been on the receiving end of all this harassment, bullying, intimidation, lies and violence have finally gotten fed up and are standing up for themselves. All this incivility, harassment, bullying and violence has always been accepted, excused, defended and promoted by the left as long as THEY are dishing it out. But they are not going to put up with their targets fighting back. So to the question of can we change this course of action...not unless the left gives up on decades of reprehensible behavior. This has been building for a long time, and the hate-filled rhetoric, and incitement of harassment and violence from ELECTED and prominent Democrats, along with the constant stoking of this hatred by the abusively biased media has done what those on the right warned about. The shooting of Steve Scalise wasn't enough, putting Rand Paul in the hospital with a collapsed lung wasn't enough, Republicans being verbally assaulted and run out restaurants ,sucker punched, and physically assaulted wasn't enough...the left not only didn't condemn these vile acts, they doubled down with MORE encouragement. And as a full fledged member of the left the media deserves an enormous amount of responsibility for the division in this country. They not only call President Trump a Nazi, they call the millions of Americans who voted for him Nazis. Their hate is palpable, and it's hard to find common ground with people who have intense hatred towards you, even though they have never talked or met you. Anything is possible, but the left manufactured and encouraged this division to grow to the point that is uncontrollable by those who stoked all this hatred, (the sick thing is they may not even care that it has gotten out of control,) because for decades the end has justified the means. We are at the point, for the left that the means are literally ANYTHING. If we are to find common ground, that attitude can no longer be acceptable

JediKnight

maximus wrote:

quote[Christ was not political]quote.....I beg to differ. Christ said,"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". Jesus was saying pay what is owed to the party in power.Jesus didn't blast government leaders because it just wasn't done. Looks to me like liberals could take a lesson here....requite the respect for the party in power, and do not belittle the leaders of the nation. You think it will take?.......................Nah....me neither.....

"Give unto to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar -but give unto God what belongs to God." If you leave the last portion out you have a different meaning. Similar to when Christ said "follow the law of the land." "Giving to Caesar" requires me to follow man's laws but I am also committed to ultimately following God's laws. So, I can allow others to "be who they want to be" without harsh judgement because I can respect their decision while making a different decision for myself -within the law. On the contrary- Jesus did comment that "the leaders of this generation are perverse -like a pit of vipers" [<the Sadducee and Pharisees were the 'leaders' during Jesus' earthly time] and that even (king) Herod was perverse. God is not pleased when we get angry at each other -but anger is a normal human emotion. God excepts our 'anger' shortcomings as long as our anger is handled properly -[<here think of Jesus beating the money changers and such out of the temple]. In regards to 'respecting' the party in power - do you really think that God would expect us to respect our so-called leaders if they promoted pedophilia, misogyny or sadism?

JediKnight

Ricktloml wrote:

None of this demonization of opponents is new to the left, it has been standard fare for decades. What has unhinged them is those who have been on the receiving end of all this harassment, bullying, intimidation, lies and violence have finally gotten fed up and are standing up for themselves. All this incivility, harassment, bullying and violence has always been accepted, excused, defended and promoted by the left as long as THEY are dishing it out. But they are not going to put up with their targets fighting back. So to the question of can we change this course of action...not unless the left gives up on decades of reprehensible behavior. This has been building for a long time, and the hate-filled rhetoric, and incitement of harassment and violence from ELECTED and prominent Democrats, along with the constant stoking of this hatred by the abusively biased media has done what those on the right warned about. The shooting of Steve Scalise wasn't enough, putting Rand Paul in the hospital with a collapsed lung wasn't enough, Republicans being verbally assaulted and run out restaurants ,sucker punched, and physically assaulted wasn't enough...the left not only didn't condemn these vile acts, they doubled down with MORE encouragement. And as a full fledged member of the left the media deserves an enormous amount of responsibility for the division in this country. They not only call President Trump a Nazi, they call the millions of Americans who voted for him Nazis. Their hate is palpable, and it's hard to find common ground with people who have intense hatred towards you, even though they have never talked or met you. Anything is possible, but the left manufactured and encouraged this division to grow to the point that is uncontrollable by those who stoked all this hatred, (the sick thing is they may not even care that it has gotten out of control,) because for decades the end has justified the means. We are at the point, for the left that the means are literally ANYTHING. If we are to find common ground, that attitude can no longer be acceptable

None of this demonization of opponents is new to t... (show quote)

Personally, I believe you are wrong when you say "It all comes from the left..." Both sides are equally at fault, and you are right -this is nothing new. The difference being that 'we use to' be able to agree to disagree -work for a compromise -and keep it moving. We now seem to have settled for an "us against them" platform that cannot end well for either side. Contrary to what Trump and many are now advocating; what has always made America "great" has been her diversity and willingness to embrace that diversity in compromise. This current path of "they are the enemy" will only to lead to America's destruction -if we don't work together for the positive change we need.