The Dutchman

"If you are a patriot of America, go to the Convention of States website & join the fight to save our Constitution!!"

Yep, It was copied from the internet and pasted in here so those that will can cry about something else!

I've given up hope that the people can clean up the political and judicial corruption in Washington, D.C. But we all have to wake up and take the one other path that is available to us...ArticleV of our Constitution. The Founding Fathers realized at the last minute that the great majority of politicians will become corrupt, no matter how idealistic they start out. Please buy (or get at the library) Mark Levin's book "The Liberty Amendments." This is not a joke or a way for corrupt politicians to destroy the Constitution. About three weeks ago 30 State politicians met at Mt. Vernon to discuss a "Convention of States," a way in which 3/5ths of the States' legislatures can join together to form an Amendment Convention that can propose a number of political Amendments to take back the States' power and sovereignty stolen by the Federal government. When at least 4/5ths of our States' legislatures approve those Amendments, THEY ARE LEGALLY PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION. The Feds have no control to take it back. IT IS ALL PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION.

We already have a good number of States involved in this project..up to 29 states the last I heard, and Glenn Beck is now helping to promote the project. (go to http://www.conventionofstates.com/ ) There are also a large number of patriotic citizens working daily to promote this to make it happen before the next primary, including me.

There is no limit as to how many Amendments we can propose, but consider this: We can vote for term limits for every politician and judge throughout the U.S., including local, state, federal, and even Supreme Courts. We could replace (and grind into dust) the IRSwith either Fair tax or Flat tax. We can disband the NSA, the EPA, The Federal Depts. of Education and Energy. We can repeal ObamaCare and create a responsible, efficient health system. We can turn Welfare into Workfare! And for all those collecting food stamps, free rent and education, and Welfare, we can enforce classes for all of them that will teach them a skill that can raise their income as well as their sense of responsibility. Last but not least, we can protect our borders, finish the fence, bring back all military personnel from countries we are no longer at war with, end all the friendships with the enemies Obama brought into his fold, and become energy independent. STAND UP FOR AMERICA AND SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!

http://www.conventionofstates.com/

bahmer

I am already signed up and may God Bless America again.

Hungry Freaks

Good luck. More than 1,000 amendments have ben proposed, 33 allowed to pass for ratification and 27 actually ratified. The repeal of prohibition was by "convention' or direct vote by the residents of the states.

There are limits to what can be amended. You can't change the powers granted to the courts, the president or Congress. You could impose term limits and such for Congress, as there is for the president, although there is doubt whether there could be term limits for judges.

Example: The Constitution prohibits a tax levied on income proportionate to the population of any state. The 16th or 17th Amendment levied on income tax proportionate to the wealth of an individual, not population of the state. It was therefore constitutional.

And it has been deemed unconstitutional to deprive states of representation by two Senators. At some point in the 1880s there was an attempt to make the Senate proportional, like the House, and that was deemed something than cannot be changed.

Simple fact-you can't amend "anything' in the Constitution. See the Dread Scott case, an attempt to interpret the 14th amendment.

And beware of what you wish for. Some nut might come along and try to screw with the Second Amendment, although I doubt if it would be deemed constitutional. Just because the majority wants it doesn't make it constitutional. Even if you try to change the basic protections of Constitution.

Don't count your ratification before it's hatched.

The fact that Glen Beck is on boards is a sure-fire death knell to this movement. Most people consider him deranged.

Hungry Freaks

PS: You cannot impose term limits on state or local officials or otherwise change state or local laws. You'd have to amend the constitutions of each state to do that.

Remember the 10th amendment. Lots of folks forget about it.

CDM Loc: Florida

Dutchman; it has been made abundantly clear to citizens of the United States in word and action by the current administration and supported fully by all progressive Democrats daily and hourly that the constitution and the laws of the land mean absolutely nothing going forward. The message is loud and clear 'what are you going to do about it?'

Obama, Holder and the entire communist organization is laughing their collective (no pun) asses off at us. Considering the foregoing, notwithstanding the accuracy of much of what Hungry Freak says, and accepting that thinking, rational citizens are without representation by absence of a second party, how in hell do we hope to implement anything that looks like constitutional law and fair-play to defeat a criminal, in-your-face dictatorship? We are going to a gun fight with a knife.

I am not chiding what you are doing here. I agree we need to try anything we can. Without people in D.C. who represent Americans and not just citizens though, we can't win. Most Republican's are Democrats. So where do we turn?

I will sign up. If though, we don't outvote these parasites in the next two years, and hire some smart, well intentioned people, I hold little hope for mending the fabric of constitutionality.

The Dutchman

I concur, The damages these parasites are doing to this country scare the hell out of me.....
We are facing grave danger from the enemy from within. When Barack Obama was sworn in as potus, he swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Instead, he is abusing the office of the Presidency punish those who they perceive as their enemies. Standing for the Constitution makes you an enemy in the obozo's eyes.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Most of the time I agree with you, but this is one time I strongly disagree and can't stress it enough. An article V would be the worst thing that happened to this country, That is just what they want. Do you REALLY know what can happen in an ArticleV, or Con Con????????

Our first ArticleV was supposed to ONLY change the Articles of Confederation and look what we wouldn't up with. True it is a great Constitution, but do you REALLY think they have decent men standing by that will do the same???? I have read a couple of these new Constitutions that are posted on the web and if we have another ArticleV we will get one of them. Mark Levin is dreaming and has no idea what he is talking about with this. If you REALLY want to know the truth, then read this; http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/article-v/
And this one too; http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/concon/newstates.htm

You may want to read that second one first to see exactly what some of these people are planning for us under an ArticleV convention. Once you get one of these things going, there is no stopping it and no controlling it either. You think you can, but you won't, if we ever have one, you will regret ever hearing of one.

Hungry Freaks

I have to agree mred. What's going to go first? My guess would be the Second Amendment. As our population becomes more suburbanized, great self-disarmed masses just don't see the need for it.

I'd settle for an amendment to overturn Citizens United and another to allow imposition of term limits on Congress. these are two fairly popular ideas and would most likely be ratified quickly.

The process is long, difficult and fraught with perils. Remember what happened with the prosed Equal Rights Amendment? The process dragged on and on with each side battling it out in what was prescient on the current political divide in the US.

But just because it's difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. As I said, the term limits and overturning of CU would be a way to test the waters.

And that article way overstates the reach of changing the Constitution. Term limits on state and local officials is in no way tied to the US Constitution.

The Constitution is short and rather simple for a reason. It's supposed to be a framework. We build upon it with laws and if the laws are unpopular, then the voters should, at least in theory, throw out the bums who wrote them. And if the laws are unconstitutional, the courts should, in theory, overturn them.

We need to get back to the basics and throw the bums out. It's not the Constitution that needs amending, it's the political circus of our current two party system that more resembles a professional wrestling match that it does a constitutional republic.

We don't need more Coke or Pepsi. We need the Uncola.

Brian Devon

Article 5 clearly allows the states to hold a brand new constitutional convention. 49 of the 50 states have passed these resolutions at one time or another. The net result is that zero of these conventions have been held, with zero ensuing changes in the U.S. constitution.

These attempted duds have occurred through-out American history. Why do you think you have a better chance than all the generations before you??? Must be that strange kind of wing-nut thinking that fantasizes of the President's impeachment, conviction and removal, in spite of the fact that this has happened ZERO times in American history.

Those that don't learn from history.......

Hungry Freaks

There was talk of a new constitutional convention back during the Reagan years. It came to nowhere. There hasn't been a proposed amendment that attempted ratification by the states since the ERA.

I still think and amendment to overturn Citizens United and another to impose term limits on Congress would be popular and justified. Just because it's difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Those other right wing fringe ideas would get nowhere. I almost wish someone would try, that the proposal would go to the states for a vote, to show just how shallow their support is.

L.E. Liesner Loc: New Mexico

For all of those that think it would be patriotic to have a "Constitutional Convention", I suggest that you go to http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com and learn the truth. The lady is a scholar and knows the Constitution foreward and backwards.

Brian Devon

[quote=Brian Devon]Article 5 clearly allows the states to hold a brand new constitutional convention. 49 of the 50 states have passed these resolutions at one time or another. The net result is that zero of these conventions have been held, with zero ensuing changes in the U.S. constitution.

These attempted duds have occurred through-out American history. Why do you think you have a better chance than all the generations before you??? Must be that strange kind of wing-nut thinking that fantasizes of the President's impeachment, conviction and removal, in spite of the fact that this has happened ZERO times in American history.

Those that don't learn from history.......

The Dutchman

The blog post by Publius Huldah gives the appearance of a scholarly critique of the Parental Rights Amendment but it lacks any actual scholarship. In short, the author simply does not understand the subject matter of either parental rights or the basics of American Constitutional Law.
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/michael-farris-of-hslda-reponds-to-publius-huldahs-critique-of-the-parental-rights-amendment/#MtLwQHQogjdMc6m3.99

Hungry Freaks

WTF are you talking about? It's a Q&A about a constitutional convention. The words "parental rights" are mentioned exactly one, in the middle of several other issues.

"gives the appearance of a scholarly critique....but lacks and actual scholarship." Oh please.