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[quote=Brian Devon]

Skyhook

If what you state above is how you judge the importance of a person's contribution to civilization, I cannot decide to offer my sympathy or pity.
:roll:

vernon

those dirty ol kock bros they finance things even before they were born.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

you are failing to keep in mind, liberalism is a mental disease, they can't help themselves

Homestead

Maybe you ought to start paying attention and do your own research instead of parroting what you hear on MSNBC.

You can start by listening to the research Glen Beck did.

Don't like Glen Beck, try listening anyway, you might learn something.
Glen Beck gives names, dates, times and places.

If there's anything he says that you don't want to believe, you can look it up for yourself, because, he gives you everything you need to research what he says for yourself.

Glenn Beck - Communist in America _Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1erK_y3gCyg#t=46


When your done with Glen Beck, you can listen to a Soviet KGB agent who's job it was to do the very things McCarthy was concerned about.

You know, the things that the communists couldn't do, because, they weren't doing it, even though these were the very things Yuri Bezmenov, was trained to do and was doing.

Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg

Brian Devon

I was referring to the misanthropic FRED KOCH, the founder of Koch industries and the father of the 2 infamous Koch brothers.

Fred, like his sons, was a real piece of work. With Robert Welch, he founded and funded the John Birch Society. Not only did Fred think that President Eisenhower was a communist "dupe", he also was a virulent racist who considered school integration to be a communist plot. Because of that he worked intensely for the impeachment of Chief Justice Warren. He hated the courts ruling on Brown v. Board of Education.

Kind of obvious that the Koch acorns didn't fall too far from the tree.

Brian Devon

I think we should judge a person's importance by how successfully they lie, smear, and scapegoat their fellow citizens. I truly believe Joe McCarthy' likeness, with his ever present whiskey flask, should be carved upon Mt. Rushmore, as an inspiration to future generations.

Homestead

[quote=Brian Devon]I was referring to the misanthropic FRED KOCH, the founder of Koch industries and the father of the 2 infamous Koch brothers.

Fred, like his sons, was a real piece of work. With Robert Welch, he founded and funded the John Birch Society. Not only did Fred think that President Eisenhower was a communist "dupe", he also was a virulent racist who considered school integration to be a communist plot. Because of that he worked intensely for the impeachment of Chief Justice Warren. He hated the courts ruling on Brown v. Board of Education.

Kind of obvious that the Koch acorns didn't fall too far from the tree.[/quote

Ever consider, that maybe your the one that's an idiot, that maybe your the one that doesn’t know what he's talking about?.....................No,...... probably not.


Maybe he thought, "Eisenhower was a communist "dupe,"
because, he was.

June 14, 1951, America’s Retreat From Victory; the Story of General George C. Marshall. 60,000 words.

Marshall had a friend in Eisenhower, and McCarthys attack on Marshall was the last straw.

Instead of eliminating Communists either directly or discretely Eisenhower let them be. He also impeded McCarthy from that task. From this alone, letting personal feelings enter and allowing the national security to suffer, removes Eisenhower from the good guys list.

He was a great General, but as for president, mediocre at best.

An interesting letter to President Eisenhower about Communists, from Joe McCarthy.

Quote:
July 12, 1950.
The President,
The White House,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. President: Today American boys lie dead in the mouth of Korean valleys. Some have their hands tied behind their back, their faces shot away by communist machine guns.

They are dead today not because they were less brave or had less to fight for them the North Korean Communists who manned those machine guns, but because the program adopted by this Congress to avoid just such a war in Korea, and signed into law by you, Mr. President, was sabotaged.

Last year Congress voted money to fortify South Korea and to help anti-Communist forces in the entire Asiatic area. One item of $75,000,000 was appropriated: another of $27,600,000; another of $10,300,000.

As you and all of us know, the program for military aid to South Korea was sabotaged to the extent that only $52,000 worth of wire odd of the above millions appropriated was sent to Korea in which to stem the threatened onslaught of Communist planes, tanks, artillery, etc.

While the Russians were sending to North Korea, tanks, artillery, and planes, our State Department’s “experts” on the far east were sabotaging our program to militarily aid the Korean Republic, and Secretary of State Dean Acheson was announcing to the world that we would not aid the South Koreans if they were invaded. We can assume that not only were the north Koreans listing, but Stalin as well.

Two of those State Department experts, Mr. Jessup and his super adviser, Lattimore, were telling the world that Korea did not count in the Far East defenses of democracy. Lattimore, as you will recall, Mr. President, publicly stated that are only problem in Korea was to let her fall without having it appear that we pushed her to her doom.

It does not seem improper, Mr. President, to ask at this time why it is that Mr. Acheson could expedite a $60,000,000 order of guns and bullets for Communist Poland, but did the opposite for the Anti-Communist forces in South Korea.

Obviously, as President, you must rely on the advice of others. Men, both great and small, have been betrayed by advisers in the past. It is understandable that a president can be betrayed by his political friends. But it is not understandable nor excusable if he keeps those political friends in positions of power after they are exposed as betrayers not only of him but of the Nation.

At this time, I would like to bring to your attention documented facts showing how your own well-meaning program to clean the subversives out of government, which program was initiated in 1946, was sabotaged by those advisers whom you apparently still trust. In 1946 the attention of Congress was directed to disloyalty in the government when the Carl Marzani case was broken. As you know, he was one of the top State Department employees convicted of perjury in connection with his communist activities.

In response to the growing demand in Congress at that time, you ordered, and Congress later proved a fragile loyalty program. Eleven million dollars was appropriated to put that program into effect.

The proof of how this program was sabotage is attached hereto in the form of photo stats of sign statements from people who were hired by the State Department to assist in the job -- people who now come forward with nothing to gain and at least one of whom has a job of risk by giving this information.

One of these individual now works for the state Department. Another is a third-year student at Georgetown University; a third is in private industry; a fourth is presently an FBI agent.

You will note that the name and other job information contained in the statement of the State Department employee has been blocked out in the Photostat. This was done because this man gave the statement only on the condition that his name not be used and he got no publicity in connection with their with. However, if you will give me your personal assurance that his job will not be endangered thereby, I am sure I can obtain his consent to let his name be given to you.

Three of the four innocently, as far as they were concerned, took part in a file stripping operation fully described in the statements. Their statements refer to the files as personnel files. These files became the present loyalty files after the loyalty program was put into effect. They were hired by the State Department and paid with public funds to destroy files which had been built up at tremendous cost and labor in order to protect the security of this Nation.

This information is being brought to your personal attention for two specific reasons.

(1) One I started to expose Communists, etc., in the State Department, you condemn to my methods and stated that if I had brought the information to you, you personally would have taken the necessary steps to correct the situation.

I attach we’re to a Photostat of two clippings – 1 from the New York Times, the other from the New York Herald Tribune, quoting Mr. Tydings. The other is a letter from the FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover.

I call your attention to paragraph 2, which reads as follows:

“The Federal Bureau of investigation has made no such examination” and therefore is not in a position to make any statements concerning the completeness or incompleteness of the State Department files.”

( Paragraph omitted.)

For those reasons this material is being presented directly to you Mr. President.

There are those who have made pleas for unity in this time of crisis. I join them in that pleas, but I must define that unity to the point where it will have meaning for those we sent today to Korea to fight and die.

We must all be united in our loyalty to the nation. There is no place in a hot war for men with lukewarm loyalty.

There was never a place for them in the Cold War. But they were there.
Even in normal times, the information given you would be shocking. Today, however, it is doubly shocking because of the disastrous sequence of events in Asia, which today has brought us to the very precipice of defeat by the communist half of the world. It reveals the groundwork laid for keeping and protecting people in the State Department who are unfit to serve this country.

Why would the State Department find it necessary to strip the files unless the information, when placed before the loyalty boards, would have caused the removal of those individuals? The stripping was successful to the extent that this nation was and is being betrayed. For proof you need merely look upon the chain of events which have led to repeated disaster for the United States and victory for Russia and Asia.

Today, Korea is the crisis area. Where will it be tomorrow is the same man act as your visor’s and mold your thinking, Mr. President?

The magnitude of this file stripping operation is better understood when you realize that it took six months to strip the State Department files of information on the disloyal, the bad security risk, the fellow travelers, and the traders, and it took a crew of eight to do the job.

You will note that the statement of one of the young men who took no part in file stripping job, but who had the task of making cut cards on the clean files, shows that he was advised that State Department employees were allowed to inspect and rifle their own files.

If this was an accepted procedure during the cold war, what is now being done in fraud and deceit. Now that the real day for the traders to do their work is at hand?

Someone in the State Department ordered the file stripped. Who was he? He must be found, Mr. President. And when found, you decide how close he is to the top of the list of those who pledge their allegiance to the Soviet Union. You decide whether he is merely a dupe or guilty of high treason.

There are those who say we should not now spend time searching for those responsible for the disasters of the past few years. Common horse sense dictates, however, that in order to protect America in the critical weeks months and years ahead we must determine who in positions of trust seek to betray us, and then act to get them out of the government. If allowed to remain they will undoubtedly tip the scales for disaster and against victory for this nation.

Respectfully yours,

Joe McCarthy

Myth vs. Facts: John Birch Society called President Dwight Eisenhower a Communist
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=144598&page=2

Brian Devon

[quote=Homestead][quote=Brian Devon]I was referring to the misanthropic FRED KOCH, the founder of Koch industries and the father of the 2 infamous Koch brothers.

Fred, like his sons, was a real piece of work. With Robert Welch, he founded and funded the John Birch Society. Not only did Fred think that President Eisenhower was a communist "dupe", he also was a virulent racist who considered school integration to be a communist plot. Because of that he worked intensely for the impeachment of Chief Justice Warren. He hated the courts ruling on Brown v. Board of Education.

Kind of obvious that the Koch acorns didn't fall too far from the tree.[/quote

Ever consider, that maybe your the one that's an idiot, that maybe your the one that doesn’t know what he's talking about?.....................No,...... probably not.


Maybe he thought, "Eisenhower was a communist "dupe,"
because, he was.

June 14, 1951, America’s Retreat From Victory; the Story of General George C. Marshall. 60,000 words.

Marshall had a friend in Eisenhower, and McCarthys attack on Marshall was the last straw.

Instead of eliminating Communists either directly or discretely Eisenhower let them be. He also impeded McCarthy from that task. From this alone, letting personal feelings enter and allowing the national security to suffer, removes Eisenhower from the good guys list.

He was a great General, but as for president, mediocre at best.

An interesting letter to President Eisenhower about Communists, from Joe McCarthy.

Quote:
July 12, 1950.
The President,
The White House,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. President: Today American boys lie dead in the mouth of Korean valleys. Some have their hands tied behind their back, their faces shot away by communist machine guns.

They are dead today not because they were less brave or had less to fight for them the North Korean Communists who manned those machine guns, but because the program adopted by this Congress to avoid just such a war in Korea, and signed into law by you, Mr. President, was sabotaged.

Last year Congress voted money to fortify South Korea and to help anti-Communist forces in the entire Asiatic area. One item of $75,000,000 was appropriated: another of $27,600,000; another of $10,300,000.

As you and all of us know, the program for military aid to South Korea was sabotaged to the extent that only $52,000 worth of wire odd of the above millions appropriated was sent to Korea in which to stem the threatened onslaught of Communist planes, tanks, artillery, etc.

While the Russians were sending to North Korea, tanks, artillery, and planes, our State Department’s “experts” on the far east were sabotaging our program to militarily aid the Korean Republic, and Secretary of State Dean Acheson was announcing to the world that we would not aid the South Koreans if they were invaded. We can assume that not only were the north Koreans listing, but Stalin as well.

Two of those State Department experts, Mr. Jessup and his super adviser, Lattimore, were telling the world that Korea did not count in the Far East defenses of democracy. Lattimore, as you will recall, Mr. President, publicly stated that are only problem in Korea was to let her fall without having it appear that we pushed her to her doom.

It does not seem improper, Mr. President, to ask at this time why it is that Mr. Acheson could expedite a $60,000,000 order of guns and bullets for Communist Poland, but did the opposite for the Anti-Communist forces in South Korea.

Obviously, as President, you must rely on the advice of others. Men, both great and small, have been betrayed by advisers in the past. It is understandable that a president can be betrayed by his political friends. But it is not understandable nor excusable if he keeps those political friends in positions of power after they are exposed as betrayers not only of him but of the Nation.

At this time, I would like to bring to your attention documented facts showing how your own well-meaning program to clean the subversives out of government, which program was initiated in 1946, was sabotaged by those advisers whom you apparently still trust. In 1946 the attention of Congress was directed to disloyalty in the government when the Carl Marzani case was broken. As you know, he was one of the top State Department employees convicted of perjury in connection with his communist activities.

In response to the growing demand in Congress at that time, you ordered, and Congress later proved a fragile loyalty program. Eleven million dollars was appropriated to put that program into effect.

The proof of how this program was sabotage is attached hereto in the form of photo stats of sign statements from people who were hired by the State Department to assist in the job -- people who now come forward with nothing to gain and at least one of whom has a job of risk by giving this information.

One of these individual now works for the state Department. Another is a third-year student at Georgetown University; a third is in private industry; a fourth is presently an FBI agent.

You will note that the name and other job information contained in the statement of the State Department employee has been blocked out in the Photostat. This was done because this man gave the statement only on the condition that his name not be used and he got no publicity in connection with their with. However, if you will give me your personal assurance that his job will not be endangered thereby, I am sure I can obtain his consent to let his name be given to you.

Three of the four innocently, as far as they were concerned, took part in a file stripping operation fully described in the statements. Their statements refer to the files as personnel files. These files became the present loyalty files after the loyalty program was put into effect. They were hired by the State Department and paid with public funds to destroy files which had been built up at tremendous cost and labor in order to protect the security of this Nation.

This information is being brought to your personal attention for two specific reasons.

(1) One I started to expose Communists, etc., in the State Department, you condemn to my methods and stated that if I had brought the information to you, you personally would have taken the necessary steps to correct the situation.

I attach we’re to a Photostat of two clippings – 1 from the New York Times, the other from the New York Herald Tribune, quoting Mr. Tydings. The other is a letter from the FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover.

I call your attention to paragraph 2, which reads as follows:

“The Federal Bureau of investigation has made no such examination” and therefore is not in a position to make any statements concerning the completeness or incompleteness of the State Department files.”

( Paragraph omitted.)

For those reasons this material is being presented directly to you Mr. President.

There are those who have made pleas for unity in this time of crisis. I join them in that pleas, but I must define that unity to the point where it will have meaning for those we sent today to Korea to fight and die.

We must all be united in our loyalty to the nation. There is no place in a hot war for men with lukewarm loyalty.

There was never a place for them in the Cold War. But they were there.
Even in normal times, the information given you would be shocking. Today, however, it is doubly shocking because of the disastrous sequence of events in Asia, which today has brought us to the very precipice of defeat by the communist half of the world. It reveals the groundwork laid for keeping and protecting people in the State Department who are unfit to serve this country.

Why would the State Department find it necessary to strip the files unless the information, when placed before the loyalty boards, would have caused the removal of those individuals? The stripping was successful to the extent that this nation was and is being betrayed. For proof you need merely look upon the chain of events which have led to repeated disaster for the United States and victory for Russia and Asia.

Today, Korea is the crisis area. Where will it be tomorrow is the same man act as your visor’s and mold your thinking, Mr. President?

The magnitude of this file stripping operation is better understood when you realize that it took six months to strip the State Department files of information on the disloyal, the bad security risk, the fellow travelers, and the traders, and it took a crew of eight to do the job.

You will note that the statement of one of the young men who took no part in file stripping job, but who had the task of making cut cards on the clean files, shows that he was advised that State Department employees were allowed to inspect and rifle their own files.

If this was an accepted procedure during the cold war, what is now being done in fraud and deceit. Now that the real day for the traders to do their work is at hand?

Someone in the State Department ordered the file stripped. Who was he? He must be found, Mr. President. And when found, you decide how close he is to the top of the list of those who pledge their allegiance to the Soviet Union. You decide whether he is merely a dupe or guilty of high treason.

There are those who say we should not now spend time searching for those responsible for the disasters of the past few years. Common horse sense dictates, however, that in order to protect America in the critical weeks months and years ahead we must determine who in positions of trust seek to betray us, and then act to get them out of the government. If allowed to remain they will undoubtedly tip the scales for disaster and against victory for this nation.

Respectfully yours,

Joe McCarthy

Myth vs. Facts: John Birch Society called President Dwight Eisenhower a Communist
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=144598&page=2[/quote]










Must be kind of lonely being a fan of Joe McCarthy. The rest of the country has long moved on. When was the last time his name was mentioned in a presidential debate? The country plain doesn't care anymore except for a handful of old cold war dead-enders whose time has come and gone.......kind of like the last confederate soldiers.

Homestead

Is the reason that Americans don't care about Communism, because they finally elected one president?

But, I thought communism was dead?

Commieblaster.com
http://www.commieblaster.com/obama/index.html

Brian Devon

Like I said, it must be lonely... Suppose they gave a 50s style witch-hunt and no one came???

vernon

yes but not nearly as lonely as being a fan of brian.

Skyhook

Yes, the rest of the country has "moved on" and are desperately trying to "put it behind them", but in the meantime, we have the most dangerous, hard-left leaning government this country has ever had the misfortune to experience.

Eisenhower was a military man and we should not be at all surprised he was a poor politician. Except in rare cases (Stalin), that seems to be the norm.

Homestead

it's not as lonely as you think. Not everyone is as ignorant as yourself.

Let me see if I can make a dent in your thick head this way.

I was a young lad when two reporters read a one line sentence that said, "a piece of tape was found covering a lock, to a door, in a Hotel called Watergate.

They thought that that was very odd.

You see locks are designed in a way that only the people with the key can gain entrance into that room. You may not be aware of that, but, trust me, it's true.

When you put a piece of tape over that mechanism, it fails to engage and anyone can gain access, key or no.

These two reporters decided, based on that fact alone, that someone was up to no good. The question became, who and why?

It took them quite a few months of research and investigation to nail it down. Not every theory they had panned out. They came to quite a number of dead ends, but, in the end, they tied it to Nixon.

What was interesting to those of us that lived through that time was that these two reporters gathered their evidence and it wasn't until they had gathered the proof that Nixon was involved, that they accused him, notice the word accuse, they didn't ask him if he was guilty of wrong doing, based on the evidence they had gathered.

That was very different from the day to day reporting, where the news media would bring in some friend or associate of Nixon and then asked him if they thought Nixon did this.

They all said no, "he didn't do it and he wasn't involved."

And how did they know this, you ask? Because, they asked Nixon if he committed a felony, breaking the law, violating the very Constitution he took an oath to uphold.

And surprise, surprise, surprise, Nixon said that he wasn't guilty.

Can you imagine that, they asked the crook, if he was a crook and the crook said he wasn't a crook.

Well, well, well, case solved, it must have been someone else........................



Now you say..............what? That there are no communists in America?

That would be a surprise to the people that belong to these organizations.


Alliance Marxist-Leninist (North America)

Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS)

Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA)

Communist Voice Organization

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Freedom Road Socialist Organization [Fight Back] (FRSO)

Freedom Road Socialist Organization [Freedom Road] (FRSO)

Freedom Socialist Party (FSP)

Heatwave Communist-Anarchist Federation (Heatwave CAF)

Independent Progressive Politics Network (IPPN)

Industrial Workers of the World (IWW)

International Socialist Organization (ISO)

Labor's Militant Voice, mirror page

League for the Revolutionary Party (LRP)

League of Revolutionaries for a New America (LRNA)

Left Green Network

Left Party

Left Turn

Maoist Internationalist Movement (MIM)

New Democracy

New Party

New Union Party

Organizing Committee for the Program of Permanent Revolution

Progressive Labor Party (PLP), other page

Progressive ProAction Party

Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) periodical Revolutionary Worker

Revolutionary Workers League (RWL)

Social Democrats USA (SDUSA)

Socialist Action

Socialist Alternative

Socialist Equality Party (SEP)

Socialist Labor Party (SLP)

Socialist Organizer

Socialist Party USA (SPUSA)

Socialist Workers Organization (SWO) periodical Socialist Viewpoint

Socialist Workers' Party (SWP) periodical Militant Solidarity, mirror page

United People's Party (La Raza Unida Party)

US Marxist-Leninist Organization (USMLO) periodical Voice of Revolution

Vermont Progressive Party

Workers Democracy Network

Workers Solidarity Alliance (WSA)

World Socialist Party of the United States (WSPUS)

What I find interesting is that at the time of McCarthy, the communists were asked if they were communists. The communists said that they weren't communists.

The communists were asked if the were out to fundamentally change America, The communist said that they weren't out to fundamentally change America.

Oh,........well.............I guess that settles it, you must be right, because, that's what the communists said.


The only problem you have, is that there were a number of communists that believed in communism so much, that they moved to Russia to live in the communists utopia.

They found out real quick that communism is no utopia. They then came back to the United States of America to tell their tale.

They released documents, tape recordings, videos and gave testimony of all the meetings they had conducted in secret, that before they had denied ever happened.

Not only is the history of communism in America known, these days they are bragging about it. They are quite proud of their infiltration. Look up Clouward and Pivon.


But, I'm the one that's lonely..............................................


Hey, "JACKASS" have you signed up for ObamaCare yet?

Because, you don't own your health any more, the government does!

vernon

you put a clamp on his big mouth! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: