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Mar 8, 2014 23:43:31   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
This was brought to my attention by my wife. Rather a long read.


And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel your brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? — Genesis 4:9

“I’m not my brother’s keeper,” my mother used to say. She and my father survived the Great Depression. Through decades of hard work, they made themselves a comfortable life. But a higher authority than my late mother, President Barack Obama, believes we are our brother’s keeper.

Last week, Obama launched his initiative that will create opportunities for young black and Hispanic men. His explanation is that this is a way he is going to help those two minorities in an economy racked by civil discord. And his program is being hailed as the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative. The Obama Administration will partner with foundations, nonprofit groups and businesses to equal the playing field for blacks and Hispanics.

The program should be called Big Brother because it focuses on a single leader, who happens to be black, who has decided by himself that young black and Hispanic youths are going to be given special advantages. If you are white, Native American or Asian, tough luck. In true Muslim tradition, Obama is not giving a hand up to young women of any race.

According to the President, groups have already invested $150 million into the program and will invest another $200 million over the next five years. And there is no stopping it; Obama has already signed an order to establish the My Brother’s Keeper Task Force, which will determine how to help black kids help themselves. It sounds discriminatory and self-aggrandizing for the President, who was shameless while presenting it.

“Fifty years after Dr. [Martin Luther] King [Jr.] talked about his dream for America’s children, the stubborn fact is that the life chances for the average black or brown child in this country lags behind by almost every measure and is worse for boys and young men,” said the President.

This is just the latest publicity stunt by Obama so that he can, with a wave of a wand and a few hundred million dollars, change black fortunes. Until now, he has been remiss in doing so, unless it added to his legacy.
Obama’s Sermon On The Mount

TIME reported:

Last February, Obama met with a group of young men at Hyde Park Academy on Chicago’s South Side, who were a part of the Becoming a Man program within the school. He spoke candidly with the group about his experiences, acknowledging the fact that as a man of color who was raised by a single mother, their lives were inherently similar. The only difference, he said, was the fact that he grew up in an environment that was more forgiving.

When I went to high school, I must have missed Becoming a Man Day. I got those lessons from my father when I was young enough that discipline still mattered, before age 12 and not 17. During his long business trips for his magazine, my mother was his XO, always at the ready with the big, old, sterling-silver brush. I must have gotten 30 spankings growing up, but I earned them all. More importantly, they stopped when I was 11 after I had begun to associate my bratty behavior with a sore butt.

Every good parent knows that how his kids turn out depends on how they are raised as little children — not because of some feel-good Presidential plan set up for young men who are way too old to now learn values such as hard work, respect and personal integrity.

Furthermore, is Obama omnipotent? How does he know which environment is the most forgiving? I think black kids are taking hardly any of the blame these days, and it’s being pushed on to the whites. Lately, everything is Whitey’s fault. If some white man killed some poor, innocent black kid, it will be plastered all over the TV media for months, maybe years. And on it goes the direct and indirect message that the laws are written and the police are there to protect Whitey. Therefore, Whitey is at the root of every social injustice. America’s black leaders bang that war drum louder each day.

America could have better race relations without black leaders like Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey forever mucking in the past and making white people feel guilty, while black people feel victimized.
Are We There Yet?

If you have children, you must have heard a thousand times on any trip, “Are we there yet?!” One of my first memories dates back to when I was 3 and I was sitting in the middle seat between my older brother and sister flying two hours from Calgary to Vancouver, Canada, to meet our parents. The last hour I wanted a minute by minute update: “Are we there yet?!”

What I want to know is when we are there yet with the collective white guilt over the treatment of African-Americans for the past 300 years? When can we stop harping about it in everything from the NFL to the Academy Awards, to the policies cooked up by the Oval Office? Can just somebody give us a date that we can put this in our past? After all, the whites who committed those crimes are either dead or soon will be. And if we cannot ever put it into our past, how were we so able to forget the genocide we did to Native Americans?

The truth is I don’t hold out much hope for a deadline, especially when the sins of the father seem to stretch to perpetuity and when the non-solutions provided by some of the influential voices in black America sound a lot more like Joseph Goebbels than Mahatma Gandhi.

Just read what Winfrey had to say regarding the racism “problem” when interviewed by the BBC in November shorty before she received the Medal of Freedom from Obama:

Of course, problem is not solved. You know, as long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still — and there’s a whole generation; I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for Apartheid South Africa; I said this for my own, you know, community in the South — there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.

Sins Of The Father, You Know?

Oprah, who do you want to see die? Just old people? What about younger people whose parents may have had them “bred and marinated in it (racism).” Do they have to die, too? And who gets to decide who is a racist and who is not? What if we find out, Oprah, that you are a racist? Is it possible you hate the Swiss because they treated you shabbily in that Zurich shop when you just had to have that $38,000 handbag last summer? If so, do we have to wait for you to die before racism is gone?

And then there is the question of blacks who are racists. Is it OK for them to hate whites, given decades of discrimination and centuries of slavery, which, by the way, ended 148 years ago?

It doesn’t seem productive when black leaders like the President and Winfrey make excuses about male black youths and do not hold them to the same accountability as white youths. Yet there are other black leaders just as bad as Obama and Winfrey.

Blacks are still being treated so poorly, said Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to a crowd of 18,000 in Detroit last month, that African-Americans should have their own court system.

“Our people can’t take much more. We have to have our own courts. You failed us,” Farrakhan said.

“How long must we let people stand their ground, shooting us and getting away with it while we don’t get justice?” added Farrakhan. “We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want the federal government to intercede to see that black people get justice in accordance with the law. Otherwise, I’m going on record with this today… we have to have our own courts.”

What’s next? Separate courts for Hispanics? How about for Asians? I am a Canadian-American. Do I get to go trot off to my own courthouse if I get in trouble?

These are all race-baiting, muck-raking, money-making ways in which blacks have been let down by their self-appointed leaders and have not had to face up to their own responsibilities. The result is that race relations are worse now than when Obama was first elected. He bears responsibility in this, but he has had plenty of help from the likes of Winfrey, Farrakhan and many others — all of them spreading the message of irreversible shame against white America as a weapon to press their liberal agenda.

Meanwhile, white resentment grows along with black anger. That sets the stage for race tensions and even race riots. Maybe that was the intention from the start.

Yours in good times and bad.

http://personalliberty.com/2014/03/05/americas-black-leaders-are-race-baiting-guilt-mongering-lying-liberals/

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Mar 8, 2014 23:57:27   #
Brian Devon
 
bmac32 wrote:
This was brought to my attention by my wife. Rather a long read.


And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel your brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? — Genesis 4:9

“I’m not my brother’s keeper,” my mother used to say. She and my father survived the Great Depression. Through decades of hard work, they made themselves a comfortable life. But a higher authority than my late mother, President Barack Obama, believes we are our brother’s keeper.

Last week, Obama launched his initiative that will create opportunities for young black and Hispanic men. His explanation is that this is a way he is going to help those two minorities in an economy racked by civil discord. And his program is being hailed as the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative. The Obama Administration will partner with foundations, nonprofit groups and businesses to equal the playing field for blacks and Hispanics.

The program should be called Big Brother because it focuses on a single leader, who happens to be black, who has decided by himself that young black and Hispanic youths are going to be given special advantages. If you are white, Native American or Asian, tough luck. In true Muslim tradition, Obama is not giving a hand up to young women of any race.

According to the President, groups have already invested $150 million into the program and will invest another $200 million over the next five years. And there is no stopping it; Obama has already signed an order to establish the My Brother’s Keeper Task Force, which will determine how to help black kids help themselves. It sounds discriminatory and self-aggrandizing for the President, who was shameless while presenting it.

“Fifty years after Dr. [Martin Luther] King [Jr.] talked about his dream for America’s children, the stubborn fact is that the life chances for the average black or brown child in this country lags behind by almost every measure and is worse for boys and young men,” said the President.

This is just the latest publicity stunt by Obama so that he can, with a wave of a wand and a few hundred million dollars, change black fortunes. Until now, he has been remiss in doing so, unless it added to his legacy.
Obama’s Sermon On The Mount

TIME reported:

Last February, Obama met with a group of young men at Hyde Park Academy on Chicago’s South Side, who were a part of the Becoming a Man program within the school. He spoke candidly with the group about his experiences, acknowledging the fact that as a man of color who was raised by a single mother, their lives were inherently similar. The only difference, he said, was the fact that he grew up in an environment that was more forgiving.

When I went to high school, I must have missed Becoming a Man Day. I got those lessons from my father when I was young enough that discipline still mattered, before age 12 and not 17. During his long business trips for his magazine, my mother was his XO, always at the ready with the big, old, sterling-silver brush. I must have gotten 30 spankings growing up, but I earned them all. More importantly, they stopped when I was 11 after I had begun to associate my bratty behavior with a sore butt.

Every good parent knows that how his kids turn out depends on how they are raised as little children — not because of some feel-good Presidential plan set up for young men who are way too old to now learn values such as hard work, respect and personal integrity.

Furthermore, is Obama omnipotent? How does he know which environment is the most forgiving? I think black kids are taking hardly any of the blame these days, and it’s being pushed on to the whites. Lately, everything is Whitey’s fault. If some white man killed some poor, innocent black kid, it will be plastered all over the TV media for months, maybe years. And on it goes the direct and indirect message that the laws are written and the police are there to protect Whitey. Therefore, Whitey is at the root of every social injustice. America’s black leaders bang that war drum louder each day.

America could have better race relations without black leaders like Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey forever mucking in the past and making white people feel guilty, while black people feel victimized.
Are We There Yet?

If you have children, you must have heard a thousand times on any trip, “Are we there yet?!” One of my first memories dates back to when I was 3 and I was sitting in the middle seat between my older brother and sister flying two hours from Calgary to Vancouver, Canada, to meet our parents. The last hour I wanted a minute by minute update: “Are we there yet?!”

What I want to know is when we are there yet with the collective white guilt over the treatment of African-Americans for the past 300 years? When can we stop harping about it in everything from the NFL to the Academy Awards, to the policies cooked up by the Oval Office? Can just somebody give us a date that we can put this in our past? After all, the whites who committed those crimes are either dead or soon will be. And if we cannot ever put it into our past, how were we so able to forget the genocide we did to Native Americans?

The truth is I don’t hold out much hope for a deadline, especially when the sins of the father seem to stretch to perpetuity and when the non-solutions provided by some of the influential voices in black America sound a lot more like Joseph Goebbels than Mahatma Gandhi.

Just read what Winfrey had to say regarding the racism “problem” when interviewed by the BBC in November shorty before she received the Medal of Freedom from Obama:

Of course, problem is not solved. You know, as long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still — and there’s a whole generation; I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for Apartheid South Africa; I said this for my own, you know, community in the South — there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.

Sins Of The Father, You Know?

Oprah, who do you want to see die? Just old people? What about younger people whose parents may have had them “bred and marinated in it (racism).” Do they have to die, too? And who gets to decide who is a racist and who is not? What if we find out, Oprah, that you are a racist? Is it possible you hate the Swiss because they treated you shabbily in that Zurich shop when you just had to have that $38,000 handbag last summer? If so, do we have to wait for you to die before racism is gone?

And then there is the question of blacks who are racists. Is it OK for them to hate whites, given decades of discrimination and centuries of slavery, which, by the way, ended 148 years ago?

It doesn’t seem productive when black leaders like the President and Winfrey make excuses about male black youths and do not hold them to the same accountability as white youths. Yet there are other black leaders just as bad as Obama and Winfrey.

Blacks are still being treated so poorly, said Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to a crowd of 18,000 in Detroit last month, that African-Americans should have their own court system.

“Our people can’t take much more. We have to have our own courts. You failed us,” Farrakhan said.

“How long must we let people stand their ground, shooting us and getting away with it while we don’t get justice?” added Farrakhan. “We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want the federal government to intercede to see that black people get justice in accordance with the law. Otherwise, I’m going on record with this today… we have to have our own courts.”

What’s next? Separate courts for Hispanics? How about for Asians? I am a Canadian-American. Do I get to go trot off to my own courthouse if I get in trouble?

These are all race-baiting, muck-raking, money-making ways in which blacks have been let down by their self-appointed leaders and have not had to face up to their own responsibilities. The result is that race relations are worse now than when Obama was first elected. He bears responsibility in this, but he has had plenty of help from the likes of Winfrey, Farrakhan and many others — all of them spreading the message of irreversible shame against white America as a weapon to press their liberal agenda.

Meanwhile, white resentment grows along with black anger. That sets the stage for race tensions and even race riots. Maybe that was the intention from the start.

Yours in good times and bad.

http://personalliberty.com/2014/03/05/americas-black-leaders-are-race-baiting-guilt-mongering-lying-liberals/
This was brought to my attention by my wife. Rathe... (show quote)










We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The races living together, working together, marrying and sharing political power will put our ugly past behind us.

Hawaii is the proto-type, a state where no demographic group is dominant, and all are under 50% of the population. Its hard to work up people for a race war when their neighbors and members of their extended family come from other ethnicities and races.

I kind of like that President Obama is a mixed-race man from Hawaii. Prototypical for a 21st century diverse America.

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Mar 9, 2014 07:47:45   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You may be right about Hawaii, I do not live there so I am not qualified to render an opinion. I do know that when I visited, there was a distinct line between Islanders and Mainlanders. Yes, it was a very recent trip.

And, you are very right about California being a mix of every race on planet earth. There are no true races in California unless they are new arrivals from other countries.

However, you will find less whites marring blacks than whites marring Asians. In the majority of other states. http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/19/study-blacks-and-whites-are-marrying-more-in-the-u-s/
This occurrence is part of natural selection, that is the Asian population is growing, they have qualities not found in other races such as Hispanic or Negro.

Statistically interracial marriages have a higher divorce rate. http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/19/study-blacks-and-whites-are-marrying-more-in-the-u-s/ While California leads in interracial marriages, it is worthwhile to note the high divorce rate of 75 percent of all marriages in California end in divorce within 10 years of marriage. http://divorce-laws.findthebest.com/l/5/California

It is also worthwhile noting that the divorce percentages are the lowest with white/white and white/Asian. Highest is white/negro, and Negro/Asian. Marriage between Hispanic and negro are very low. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces/marriages_and_divorces.html

Also, in California the vast majority of marriages in 2012 were repeaters, that is either party had been married before. Historically, the second, third, forth and in the case of Californians the ninth or tenth marriage end in divorce.

Aside from you redirection of the original thread, thank you for the information and your opinion.

As for my opinion of the original post. I could not agree more!

Brian Devon wrote:
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The races living together, working together, marrying and sharing political power will put our ugly past behind us.

Hawaii is the proto-type, a state where no demographic group is dominant, and all are under 50% of the population. Its hard to work up people for a race war when their neighbors and members of their extended family come from other ethnicities and races.

I kind of like that President Obama is a mixed-race man from Hawaii. Prototypical for a 21st century diverse America.
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The ... (show quote)

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Mar 9, 2014 07:47:46   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
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Mar 9, 2014 07:52:11   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you so very much. Great post!

bmac32 wrote:
This was brought to my attention by my wife. Rather a long read.


And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel your brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? — Genesis 4:9

“I’m not my brother’s keeper,” my mother used to say. She and my father survived the Great Depression. Through decades of hard work, they made themselves a comfortable life. But a higher authority than my late mother, President Barack Obama, believes we are our brother’s keeper.

Last week, Obama launched his initiative that will create opportunities for young black and Hispanic men. His explanation is that this is a way he is going to help those two minorities in an economy racked by civil discord. And his program is being hailed as the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative. The Obama Administration will partner with foundations, nonprofit groups and businesses to equal the playing field for blacks and Hispanics.

The program should be called Big Brother because it focuses on a single leader, who happens to be black, who has decided by himself that young black and Hispanic youths are going to be given special advantages. If you are white, Native American or Asian, tough luck. In true Muslim tradition, Obama is not giving a hand up to young women of any race.

According to the President, groups have already invested $150 million into the program and will invest another $200 million over the next five years. And there is no stopping it; Obama has already signed an order to establish the My Brother’s Keeper Task Force, which will determine how to help black kids help themselves. It sounds discriminatory and self-aggrandizing for the President, who was shameless while presenting it.

“Fifty years after Dr. [Martin Luther] King [Jr.] talked about his dream for America’s children, the stubborn fact is that the life chances for the average black or brown child in this country lags behind by almost every measure and is worse for boys and young men,” said the President.

This is just the latest publicity stunt by Obama so that he can, with a wave of a wand and a few hundred million dollars, change black fortunes. Until now, he has been remiss in doing so, unless it added to his legacy.
Obama’s Sermon On The Mount

TIME reported:

Last February, Obama met with a group of young men at Hyde Park Academy on Chicago’s South Side, who were a part of the Becoming a Man program within the school. He spoke candidly with the group about his experiences, acknowledging the fact that as a man of color who was raised by a single mother, their lives were inherently similar. The only difference, he said, was the fact that he grew up in an environment that was more forgiving.

When I went to high school, I must have missed Becoming a Man Day. I got those lessons from my father when I was young enough that discipline still mattered, before age 12 and not 17. During his long business trips for his magazine, my mother was his XO, always at the ready with the big, old, sterling-silver brush. I must have gotten 30 spankings growing up, but I earned them all. More importantly, they stopped when I was 11 after I had begun to associate my bratty behavior with a sore butt.

Every good parent knows that how his kids turn out depends on how they are raised as little children — not because of some feel-good Presidential plan set up for young men who are way too old to now learn values such as hard work, respect and personal integrity.

Furthermore, is Obama omnipotent? How does he know which environment is the most forgiving? I think black kids are taking hardly any of the blame these days, and it’s being pushed on to the whites. Lately, everything is Whitey’s fault. If some white man killed some poor, innocent black kid, it will be plastered all over the TV media for months, maybe years. And on it goes the direct and indirect message that the laws are written and the police are there to protect Whitey. Therefore, Whitey is at the root of every social injustice. America’s black leaders bang that war drum louder each day.

America could have better race relations without black leaders like Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey forever mucking in the past and making white people feel guilty, while black people feel victimized.
Are We There Yet?

If you have children, you must have heard a thousand times on any trip, “Are we there yet?!” One of my first memories dates back to when I was 3 and I was sitting in the middle seat between my older brother and sister flying two hours from Calgary to Vancouver, Canada, to meet our parents. The last hour I wanted a minute by minute update: “Are we there yet?!”

What I want to know is when we are there yet with the collective white guilt over the treatment of African-Americans for the past 300 years? When can we stop harping about it in everything from the NFL to the Academy Awards, to the policies cooked up by the Oval Office? Can just somebody give us a date that we can put this in our past? After all, the whites who committed those crimes are either dead or soon will be. And if we cannot ever put it into our past, how were we so able to forget the genocide we did to Native Americans?

The truth is I don’t hold out much hope for a deadline, especially when the sins of the father seem to stretch to perpetuity and when the non-solutions provided by some of the influential voices in black America sound a lot more like Joseph Goebbels than Mahatma Gandhi.

Just read what Winfrey had to say regarding the racism “problem” when interviewed by the BBC in November shorty before she received the Medal of Freedom from Obama:

Of course, problem is not solved. You know, as long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still — and there’s a whole generation; I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for Apartheid South Africa; I said this for my own, you know, community in the South — there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.

Sins Of The Father, You Know?

Oprah, who do you want to see die? Just old people? What about younger people whose parents may have had them “bred and marinated in it (racism).” Do they have to die, too? And who gets to decide who is a racist and who is not? What if we find out, Oprah, that you are a racist? Is it possible you hate the Swiss because they treated you shabbily in that Zurich shop when you just had to have that $38,000 handbag last summer? If so, do we have to wait for you to die before racism is gone?

And then there is the question of blacks who are racists. Is it OK for them to hate whites, given decades of discrimination and centuries of slavery, which, by the way, ended 148 years ago?

It doesn’t seem productive when black leaders like the President and Winfrey make excuses about male black youths and do not hold them to the same accountability as white youths. Yet there are other black leaders just as bad as Obama and Winfrey.

Blacks are still being treated so poorly, said Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to a crowd of 18,000 in Detroit last month, that African-Americans should have their own court system.

“Our people can’t take much more. We have to have our own courts. You failed us,” Farrakhan said.

“How long must we let people stand their ground, shooting us and getting away with it while we don’t get justice?” added Farrakhan. “We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want the federal government to intercede to see that black people get justice in accordance with the law. Otherwise, I’m going on record with this today… we have to have our own courts.”

What’s next? Separate courts for Hispanics? How about for Asians? I am a Canadian-American. Do I get to go trot off to my own courthouse if I get in trouble?

These are all race-baiting, muck-raking, money-making ways in which blacks have been let down by their self-appointed leaders and have not had to face up to their own responsibilities. The result is that race relations are worse now than when Obama was first elected. He bears responsibility in this, but he has had plenty of help from the likes of Winfrey, Farrakhan and many others — all of them spreading the message of irreversible shame against white America as a weapon to press their liberal agenda.

Meanwhile, white resentment grows along with black anger. That sets the stage for race tensions and even race riots. Maybe that was the intention from the start.

Yours in good times and bad.

http://personalliberty.com/2014/03/05/americas-black-leaders-are-race-baiting-guilt-mongering-lying-liberals/
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Mar 9, 2014 08:25:39   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Brian Devon wrote:
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The races living together, working together, marrying and sharing political power will put our ugly past behind us.

Hawaii is the proto-type, a state where no demographic group is dominant, and all are under 50% of the population. Its hard to work up people for a race war when their neighbors and members of their extended family come from other ethnicities and races.

I kind of like that President Obama is a mixed-race man from Hawaii. Prototypical for a 21st century diverse America.
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Sorry to disagree with you Brian, but that's not the Hawaii I lived in. Granted, it has been some years, but reverse discriminaton was normal operating procedure. That's part of the reason we left. Blonde hair and blue eyes weren't cutting it. In other words, "haoles" not welcome, just their money. That's not to imply that there weren't some kind, decent locals --- there were, and they were my saving grace.

Rode a bus, once, never again, not wise. On one occasion -- marines were not allowed off base, and why you might ask? The local gang "Primo Warriors" -- named after the local beer, I was told, beat a young Marine to death with a baseball bat as he left a local bar. The Marine NEVER said the first word to any in the gang. Later news reports said they resented that he was a haole and that he was in the military. Great reasoning for taking a life. The large cultural center that was developed on the north shore of Oahua by Mormons -- one of their tour busses was stoned in protest as the bus took tourists out to the Center. That doesn't sound like tolerance to me.

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Mar 9, 2014 10:13:40   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Searching is right about Hawaii. I have relatives there. Many missing White people are in shallow graves out in the woods. I was warned if I came there to stay off the trails if I wanted to see nature. Bars are a no no as fights are a constant occurance. I never want to go there. The place is thought to be a paradise but there are slums all over Hawaii. there is much poverty and resentment.. Primo beer tastes like it came out of a hoof print so no wonder the Primo warriors are ticked off
Searching wrote:
Sorry to disagree with you Brian, but that's not the Hawaii I lived in. Granted, it has been some years, but reverse discriminaton was normal operating procedure. That's part of the reason we left. Blonde hair and blue eyes weren't cutting it. In other words, "haoles" not welcome, just their money. That's not to imply that there weren't some kind, decent locals --- there were, and they were my saving grace.

Rode a bus, once, never again, not wise. On one occasion -- marines were not allowed off base, and why you might ask? The local gang "Primo Warriors" -- named after the local beer, I was told, beat a young Marine to death with a baseball bat as he left a local bar. The Marine NEVER said the first word to any in the gang. Later news reports said they resented that he was a haole and that he was in the military. Great reasoning for taking a life. The large cultural center that was developed on the north shore of Oahua by Mormons -- one of their tour busses was stoned in protest as the bus took tourists out to the Center. That doesn't sound like tolerance to me.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:44:30   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
My wife being black and me being white, my wife thinks your on the wrong page. Slowly going backwards since Obama took office. Simply look at the black talking heads, yes they do matter in the black community, as unhappy as they've ever been.


Brian Devon wrote:
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The races living together, working together, marrying and sharing political power will put our ugly past behind us.

Hawaii is the proto-type, a state where no demographic group is dominant, and all are under 50% of the population. Its hard to work up people for a race war when their neighbors and members of their extended family come from other ethnicities and races.

I kind of like that President Obama is a mixed-race man from Hawaii. Prototypical for a 21st century diverse America.
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The ... (show quote)

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Mar 9, 2014 12:06:20   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
I know from first hand the absoulutly painful sting of Racism. My own mother mistreated me as a child because of my Native American blood. Being made to wear long sleeved shirts and told I did not need the sun. Constant lectures about Light skin and dark skin. That is a hell of a thing to put on a little kid. Things are a little better depends on where you live.

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Mar 9, 2014 12:30:44   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Your mother was protecting you if it was in the 50's-60's. I had a friend who was Indian, a little sun and he'd damn hear turn RED. This was in northern Maine where the sun ain't very strong. He had a hard road in school but to most of us he has a good guy and we didn't care about color.


fom wrote:
I know from first hand the absoulutly painful sting of Racism. My own mother mistreated me as a child because of my Native American blood. Being made to wear long sleeved shirts and told I did not need the sun. Constant lectures about Light skin and dark skin. That is a hell of a thing to put on a little kid. Things are a little better depends on where you live.

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Mar 9, 2014 13:05:50   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
It was in the 50s and 60s. It got bad enough that it only ended when the police got involved. I don't want to start in on the subject but to this day I am very offended by racist remarks and jokes. "don't assume I share your predjudices" is what needs to be told to unknowing bigots
bmac32 wrote:
Your mother was protecting you if it was in the 50's-60's. I had a friend who was Indian, a little sun and he'd damn hear turn RED. This was in northern Maine where the sun ain't very strong. He had a hard road in school but to most of us he has a good guy and we didn't care about color.

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Mar 9, 2014 14:58:41   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Don't have any real prejudices, I base everyone on the same merits. Act like a fool, you are a fool, treat people with respect you get the same in return. Don't care where your from or what color we all bleed RED.


fom wrote:
It was in the 50s and 60s. It got bad enough that it only ended when the police got involved. I don't want to start in on the subject but to this day I am very offended by racist remarks and jokes. "don't assume I share your predjudices" is what needs to be told to unknowing bigots

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Mar 9, 2014 15:41:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
bmac32 wrote:
Don't have any real prejudices, I base everyone on the same merits. Act like a fool, you are a fool, treat people with respect you get the same in return. Don't care where your from or what color we all bleed RED.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 9, 2014 15:55:27   #
Brian Devon
 
bmac32 wrote:
My wife being black and me being white, my wife thinks your on the wrong page. Slowly going backwards since Obama took office. Simply look at the black talking heads, yes they do matter in the black community, as unhappy as they've ever been.




I understand that President Obama's election did not end our nations racial problems. I think what it did, was to put in full relief, fault lines that were already there. Every year, however, there are less and less born and bred racists. Every year there are more and more people becoming adults, who grew up in mixed race neighborhoods, and went to integrated schools. The problem with the far right is that they cling to the past and are suspicious of the new and the different.

I wonder how much of it is genetic. Everyone knows children who will only eat a handful of foods and don't want to try anything different. There are also children who are excited to try things that are new and different and find something attractive if they haven't seen it before. This not only applies to food, it also applies to music, and art, and later on to dating. The stick to your own kind philosophy is changing to one of embracing diversity. I see it every day when I walk down my street or go to the local park.


This is the new urban America. I am well aware that this is not the new rural America, but those folks don't decide the outcome of our national elections.

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Mar 9, 2014 16:14:13   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
We shall over come but the key word is "someday". Our creator was merciful and put us all in the place in the world where we were supposed to be. Since nobody stayed put we all lost our place. We live with each other now and show each other the love the creator shows us.
Brian Devon wrote:
I understand that President Obama's election did not end our nations racial problems. I think what it did, was to put in full relief, fault lines that were already there. Every year, however, there are less and less born and bred racists. Every year there are more and more people becoming adults, who grew up in mixed race neighborhoods, and went to integrated schools. The problem with the far right is that they cling to the past and are suspicious of the new and the different.

I wonder how much of it is genetic. Everyone knows children who will only eat a handful of foods and don't want to try anything different. There are also children who are excited to try things that are new and different and find something attractive if they haven't seen it before. This not only applies to food, it also applies to music, and art, and later on to dating. The stick to your own kind philosophy is changing to one of embracing diversity. I see it every day when I walk down my street or go to the local park.


This is the new urban America. I am well aware that this is not the new rural America, but those folks don't decide the outcome of our national elections.
I understand that President Obama's election did n... (show quote)

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