JoyV

If you look at whichever post I am responding to in each of my posts, you will see it is not I who am changing the subject. I am responding to what is stated in the posts whether the subject has previously been changed or not.

I posted it to make the point that whites are not opposed to working in the fields. Sorry but that figure is not broken down into categories. It includes such things as farmers who own and work on their their own farms, family members of the owners who work on the farm, and those that lease farms or fields, as well as seasonal white agricultural workers. It does not include working with livestock. So no ranches, chicken farms, or dairy farms. I have so far not found any numbers which identify only white seasonal agricultural workers. So for comparing to illegals in seasonal agriculture; it is close to meaningless.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

They're working on it Bad Bob. If it hadn't been "nothing to see here" for all those years we wouldn't still have so much to do.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/05/ice-raids-ohio-lawn-and-garden-business-arrests-114.html
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5828333264001/
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/ice-releases-video-of-raid-at-salem-business/1250493729
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/02/ice-raid-hits-77-businesses-in-northern-california.html
http://time.com/5361860/ice-nebraska-minnesota-raids/
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/10/ice-raids-tennessee-meatpacking-plant/
Many more can be easily found...of course many of your cohorts are doing all they can to thwart ICE. The sarcasm in your statement is obvious. But you did admit to the problem, so that's something.

JoyV

NM is a blue state. AZ is a red state.

There can be problems in ranking poverty by state.
1) Does the ranking include illegals?
2) Do a lot of people live rurally and live off of farm or ranch work? This lifestyle will not show a large income especially if they own and work the farm or ranch. Yet they would not be considered to be living in poverty by themselves or their community. When you have large urban populations along with low median income; then their is a real reflection of how much poverty there is.

JoyV

That is probably DC.

JoyV

Yes it is a district. But for purposes of statistical rankings, it is treated the same as a state.

JoyV

California USE to be the largest producer. Now-a-days they have been surpassed by AZ and NM. Yet they have far more illegals who settle in the state even.

JoyV

I saw that report. While is covers a lot of demographic info in concise easy to understand outline, it gives no numbers on white agriculture workers.

PeterS

So shoot me...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Heavens no! No quick end for you Pete, you've got to be made to suffer.

CDM Loc: Florida

Try this one; https://www.doleta.gov/agworker/report9/chapter1.cfm.

I think it's pretty telling when 80% of the workers come from someplace other than the U.S. and 75% of them claim to be Mexican ... Notice that in this report when asked about race half the sample didn't answer and 40 odd percent said white. That doesn't work because Latino's are white by the standard used. Well, you don't need a degree to figure this one out. It becomes very apparent very quickly that there are no white field workers to speak of today.

Actually, we should be focused on native-born American workers of any race, not necessarily white. All reports come up short on that group as well.

Here's another spin on the whole issue from the NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/us/suit-cites-race-bias-in-farms-use-of-immigrants.html. A little dated but still works today.

CDM Loc: Florida

Hey Bad; I am NOT a Republican. A Republican is someone who dives under their desk when a Democrat enters the room. John Boehner and Paul Ryan are Republicans

And you don't understand what I said. Clearly, both sides of the magical aisle want this situation to exist - BUT, I reiterate, BUT - for very different reasons. The issues of law, crime, and punishment in this travesty unquestionably belong to the entire government who allowed it to happen and who permit it to continue.

SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan

Why aren't Americans applying for these jobs? Maybe because the low wages don't support a family. Why aren't teenagers applying for these jobs? Low wages aren't as big a problem unless they have a family.
Perhaps we need to direct our attention to the employers. Better yet, we could help small farmers be more profitable. We could also do a better job of teaching the public about the real (unsubsidized) cost of producing the food we take for granted.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

OK, "our" Reflublican govment

CDM Loc: Florida

From the American perspective what you say is very true. That notwithstanding though, the low wages in this 'industry' do support many Mexican families. For them, the key is 'family'... It is not uncommon to see them pool their resources so to speak and work as a unit contributing the income to a pot. So while the individual might work below the poverty line, the combined income is not too bad. Americans gave up on this concept eons ago.

This argument becomes problematical when one considers the holy hell the Leftists raised over low wages in the fast food industry not being sufficient to support a family ... Obviously, somebody thought McDonald's is a career on which to base a family. So why not picking fruit? Why I ask only rhetorically, are we not clamoring for $15/hour field wages?

It is unclear to me how farm subsidies, the government fly so to speak, will ever make small farms more profitable but that aside you are right; there is no question that someday probably sooner than later the fictitiously low prices we see at the old Super are going to rise up an bite us.

Nickolai

It's not the schools its the culture. When Americans look for a job the first thing they want to know is how much they will get paid and the next is how much time they will get off. When an Latino is looking for work they want to know how much work you have for them.