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Sep 8, 2018 06:55:59   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
PeterS wrote:
Actually, I think if Americans wanted the work performed by migrants they would be doing it--there is certainly no one out there trying to stop them. As for regurgitation of the party line--what is the party line? Your assumption is that because Democrats don't want a wall that they, therefore, support open borders. For you, it's an either-or proposition when Trump has shown that with simple enforcement of our border can bring illegal immigration down to record lows. You don't hear democrats crying about that, do you? Well, wouldn't we if open borders was our objective?

Next, my only responsibility is to my family. That no one else can raise their family is in their lap, not mine. Now, is there a study that says 'left leaners' kids are lazy no accounts? If so then let's see it otherwise you have no idea who's kids you are talking about and you are simply pointing fingers because you don't want them pointed at you.
Actually, I think if Americans wanted the work per... (show quote)


Well said


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Sep 8, 2018 07:06:32   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
JoyV wrote:
Have you seen crops rotting in the fields due to lack of workers? There was a news story going around last year making that claim with photos. Turns out it was an old photo with disease contaminated crops which were banned from being harvested. Similar occurrence happened in Yuma this year with lettuce contaminated with e-coli. There were two separate outbreaks hitting farmers twice in one growing season.


I haven't seen a story with pictures. Some weeks ago I heard a story about an age business on North Carolina that couldn't get enough workers to pick their crops.

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Sep 8, 2018 07:21:56   #
PeterS
 
old marine wrote:
And Arizona and New Mexico have the smallest welfare and Government assistance also. California has the LARGEST.

New Mexico ranks 49th in terms of poverty for the 51 states. SNAPs they are third highest in the nation. Medicaid/Medicare they rank 51

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/
https://www.fns.usda.gov/ops/snap-community-characteristics-new-mexico
https://talkpoverty.org/state-year-report/new-mexico-2017-report/

I'm not going to bother with Arizona since you so badly flunked New Mexico...

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Sep 8, 2018 07:22:25   #
PeterS
 
SilentGeneration wrote:
Well said



Thanks...

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Sep 8, 2018 08:32:11   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
PeterS wrote:
New Mexico ranks 49th in terms of poverty for the 51 states. SNAPs they are third highest in the nation. Medicaid/Medicare they rank 51

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/
https://www.fns.usda.gov/ops/snap-community-characteristics-new-mexico
https://talkpoverty.org/state-year-report/new-mexico-2017-report/

I'm not going to bother with Arizona since you so badly flunked New Mexico...

I am curious about this 51th State you are talking about.

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Sep 8, 2018 09:31:52   #
PeterS
 
old marine wrote:
I am curious about this 51th State you are talking about.

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District of Columbia...

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Sep 8, 2018 09:37:49   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
PeterS wrote:
District of Columbia...

The DITRICT OF COLUMBIA is not considered state but a district.

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Sep 8, 2018 10:15:55   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
PeterS wrote:
We still issue work visas for farm work. Whether it's sufficient is perhaps what this video is asking. As for deporting anchor babies--you are simply regurgitating what every conservative says.

Last, where have you been? I'm running our of conservative to tell me I'm full of shit!


We are the only nation in the world that allows anchor babies and we've not always done so. If I had to make a WAG I'd say it began with those of the progressive persuasion. Pete, I'm not going say anything negative about you. I expect you too have a soul, free will and a conscience and although I disagree strongly with you on many things you are still my brother and fellow American.

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Sep 8, 2018 10:18:25   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
old marine wrote:
The DITRICT OF COLUMBIA is not considered state but a district.


Spot on for sure

Surely we shouldn't expect Pete to know this after all he and Obama are of the same cloth !

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Sep 8, 2018 10:28:57   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
PeterS wrote:
Actually, I think if Americans wanted the work performed by migrants they would be doing it--there is certainly no one out there trying to stop them. As for regurgitation of the party line--what is the party line? Your assumption is that because Democrats don't want a wall that they, therefore support open borders. For you, it's an either-or proposition when Trump has shown that with simple enforcement of our border can bring illegal immigration down to record lows. You don't hear democrats crying about that, do you? Well, wouldn't we if open borders was our objective?

Next, my only responsibility is to my family. That no one else can raise their family is in their lap, not mine. Now, is there a study that says 'left leaners' kids are lazy no accounts? If so then let's see it otherwise you have no idea who's kids you are talking about and you are simply pointing fingers because you don't want them pointed at you.
Actually, I think if Americans wanted the work per... (show quote)



You are a fully indoctrinated Leftist. I did not expect you to understand 'regurgitate', no Leftist does. I should have been more clear on that point. I say it repeatedly and often to remind right-thinking Americans of this insidious, Leftist tactic. I make no pretense of influencing a Leftist; that is impossible. I stand by my assertion that your feeble attempt with this simple-minded video supports the need for illegal, immigrant workers ... regurgitation of the Party Line in pursuit of wide open borders needed to swell the ranks of future Leftist, Proletariat voters. As with all Leftist Democrats, it is unlikely you realize you're being used within a collective.

"You don't hear democrats crying about that, do you? Well, wouldn't we if open borders was our objective?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? In what cloistered world do you live? Firstly, they don't "cry" about it because that would be political insanity akin to openly admitting they really do want to take ALL our guns, which of course they do. Leftists are smart enough to know when to shut up and play the long-haul game; masters of the 'long lie'. You have of course studied legislation over the past 3 decades to obstruct immigration law reform and have identified the obstructors? You have obviously missed the strictly Leftist movement within the country to move illegals into the mainstream of our society, to afford them benefits, the right to vote? SANCTUARY even if they are known criminals??? What is the Party Line? Do you dare to ask? The Party would not be happy that you are asking; from their perspective, it's none of your business; just shut up and regurgitate.

A study??? A study??? Have you somehow missed the fact that a whole generation is wandering around (at a trillion $ in student loan debt) trying to figure out what they are here for? Who openly admit they will not do work beneath them? "I mean, why did I get a 5 year degree in Ancient Greek Philosophy, for God's sake; to pick fruit?" That 10's of thousands of a whole generation at 18-30 years of age live with mom and dad? (Obama didn't make the cutoff age for Obamacare 27 for nothing; needed to incentivize those voters you know) ... And yes, are too lazy to pick sweet potatoes - albeit for a greedy farmer who does not want to pay a human wage ...

And waited for with baited breath, the Leftist cop out when a Leftist does not have a leg to stand on "you are simply pointing fingers because you don't want them pointed at you." BLAME the other guy ... Make it look like the other guy is doing what you, the Leftist, is actually doing.

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Sep 8, 2018 10:33:59   #
kemmer
 
JoyV wrote:
The two states which produce the most vegetables in the nation are AZ and NM.

Umm.... Aren't you forgetting California, the LARGEST producer?

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Sep 8, 2018 11:27:26   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
JoyV wrote:
"By race or ethnicity, whites make up 92 percent of
agricultural employment". That includes self employed. I can't find figures strictly for ethnicity of seasonal agricultural workers.
https://stats.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1981/11/art2full.pdf


This report is from 1980. It includes all agriculture employment such as owners, managers, supervisors, etc. So it follows that the majority of participants is white. This report does say that immigrant workers numbered around 400,000 in the 60's and declined to 200,000 in the 70's.

Here is a more current report from 2016 with data collected under government contract.

http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/naws_ncfh_factsheet_demographics_final_revised.pdf

Something obviously changed in almost 40 years.

I found it interesting too that technically, we don't treat these people any better than their own country; they are all held well below the poverty line, citizen or not.

Makes one appreciate those cheap sweet potato's that much more, eh?

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Sep 8, 2018 13:20:32   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
CDM wrote:
Typically you choose to miss the point or obscure the reality. It is commendable that you raised your children to some work ethic. Many millions of Americans have. What you choose to ignore is that today millions of (alleged) parents do not. You will find the majority of these (alleged) parents are Left-leaning. Most recent generations have been and are being raised to understand that they are entitled to a higher lifestyle long before they earn it.

What is the purpose of this rather pedestrian video in your mind? It appears that you have a message that either a) Americans will not do this work or b) Americans are all so busy that there is no one other than the migrants to do the work ... Which is it? Actually, I believe its neither;

I would venture this is nothing more or less than a regurgitation of the Party Line in support of open borders and inflation of the proletariat ranks envisioned by the Democrat Party to create (future) Democrat voters. You have thus far made no argument here to refute this observation.
Typically you choose to miss the point or obscure ... (show quote)
The whole "they're just doing jobs Americans don't want to do" is like many lefty subterfuges (undocumented workers, unindicted co-conspirator, etc.). The insidious part is that it plays into the hands of unscrupulous employers who aren't inclined to provide jobs that pay what they should in a proper work environment. That's how they get support from the business community.

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Sep 8, 2018 13:51:43   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
The whole "they're just doing jobs Americans don't want to do" is like many lefty subterfuges (undocumented workers, unindicted co-conspirator, etc.). The insidious part is that it plays into the hands of unscrupulous employers who aren't inclined to provide jobs that pay what they should in a proper work environment. That's how they get support from the business community.



Exactly. And we could get to that CORE argument if we could ever get passed the propagandistic 'there are no Americans to do these jobs' tripe. It's correct to say there are no Americans who will, operative word w-i-l-l do these jobs because they are paid more not to. Why would anyone work for sub-poverty level wages when they don't have to? Simple answer; immigrants who have no alternative; who are openly invited into a system that abuses them. I find it ironic Leftists are the first to accuse America of being a nation built on slavery yet to this day it is they who coddle the practice.

As you point out, the artificially low cost of these products will persist so long as there is a ready workforce willing to work for sub-standard wages in sub-standard work environments and a willing politic to promote it. The Democrats are not the only ones who want to see continued 'porosity' at our southern border. I would really like to see that poor 'Bama farmers financials; see what he drives, see how he lives ...

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Sep 8, 2018 14:22:21   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
CDM wrote:
Exactly. And we could get to that CORE argument if we could ever get passed the propagandistic 'there are no Americans to do these jobs' tripe. It's correct to say there are no Americans who will, operative word w-i-l-l do these jobs because they are paid more not to. Why would anyone work for sub-poverty level wages when they don't have to? Simple answer; immigrants who have no alternative; who are openly invited into a system that abuses them. I find it ironic Leftists are the first to accuse America of being a nation built on slavery yet to this day it is they who coddle the practice.

As you point out, the artificially low cost of these products will persist so long as there is a ready workforce willing to work for sub-standard wages in sub-standard work environments and a willing politic to promote it. The Democrats are not the only ones who want to see continued 'porosity' at our southern border. I would really like to see that poor 'Bama farmers financials; see what he drives, see how he lives ...
Exactly. And we could get to that CORE argument i... (show quote)


Sounds to me like your Reflublican govment should do something about it.

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