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Mar 8, 2014 14:53:40   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Did you change and join the left wingers and vote Democratic because you think "fairness" is more important than freedom?


"fairness" is an undefinable tern. What is fair to me is to allow people to succeed or fail on their own without assistance from other people. Fairness to many is to lower all to the lowest common denominator, so no one has more than any one else.

\However I do not believe in not helping those who genuinely need help. I do not believe in giving anything to those who can help themselves but choose not to make the effort. Perhaps to Progressives that policy is "unfair" but I will stick by it, period.

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Mar 8, 2014 14:54:29   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
no propaganda please wrote:
"fairness" is an undefinable tern. What is fair to me is to allow people to succeed or fail on their own without assistance from other people. Fairness to many is to lower all to the lowest common denominator, so no one has more than any one else.

\However I do not believe in not helping those who genuinely need help. I do not believe in giving anything to those who can help themselves but choose not to make the effort. Perhaps to Progressives that policy is "unfair" but I will stick by it, period.
"fairness" is an undefinable tern. What ... (show quote)

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Mar 8, 2014 14:57:04   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Gee, which of you was it that told me insults were the last resort in argument? I see the RWE gang-up club is still in business. What a compliment to have so many join in!


Why are you still picking on Right Wingers? And I will say insults shouldn't even be in arguments, insults are used to
start fights.

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Mar 8, 2014 14:57:16   #
typhoon
 
Patty wrote:
Some times it is best to let them get it out of their system and then they usually cry themselves to sleep. :cry:


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Mar 8, 2014 14:59:29   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Good posting!
Reply Not on the subject you wrote, but do you know the 9-11 attack on the world Trade buildings killed over 3000 people! Yet a lot of people condemns Bush for going to war over it , yet the attack on Pearl harbor killed less than 2800 people!
My, My how times have changed things! Just shows how people's mindset has changed. More people now blame Bush for the conflict in Iraq than the Muslim's and the focus is (was) on Obama Bin Saden (spelling) instead of Muslim's.
Pearl Harbor was blamed on the Japanese in the 40's not one single Japan dictator and no one blamed the president of the U.S. then!
Good posting! br Reply Not on the subject you wro... (show quote)


Big Mac, you may be interested to know about Patty's viewpoint on Iraq: [quote: "the unprovoked invasion of Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, IRAQ, Packistan, Yemen, Somalia, Honduras, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia." quote] p.4 OPP thread titled "US taxpayers to give Ukraine 15 billion."

You need to be aware there is a group of RWEs on OPP who are presenting Putin's propaganda line about the U.S. as aggressor and hegemon. Check out the following OPP threads where putt, putt, Putin Russian propaganda line is presented as if it were standard conservative thinking:

"US revealed as alleged mastermind behind Ukraine unrest"
"How to dismantle the American empire"
"Ukraine" quote of Craig Paul Roberts take on Ukraine
"China: the voice of reason"

Also check out Patty's posted subjects the past few days since she joined, inluding a reposting of the China subject.

The cited postings tend to discredit conservative thinking and OPP conservatives would do well to guard against this type infiltration of Putin trolls. Ironic that on a subject favorable to McCarthyism, I'm taking on the role of McCarthy accusing these posters as Putin stooges. ha.

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Mar 8, 2014 15:03:52   #
Brian Devon
 
typhoon wrote:
CBS Murrow vs. McCarthyism - Last gasp propaganda campaign by the Cabal owned CBS in an attempt to save their ever crumbling aristocracy's reign of world dominance.

It all sound good when taken out of context. I was just a child but I remember big family arguments on the subject. My father was a deep historian and was discussed with the program. As a young man who saw WWll depopulation campaign coming he joined the Merchant Marines to stay out of it. It did not work out so well. After Pearl Harbor his ship was assigned to the clean up. Six month of pulling bodies and body part out of ships scared him for life. Knowing that Russian Communism had murdered millions and Mao was murdering tens of millions of his own people (est. 60 million +) in his communist Social Revolution, to many like my Dad any socialist or communist leaning was repugnant. Communism has never been a result of populist ground swell. The Bolshevik's, Stalin, Mao, the communist movement in Hollywood were never hurting for money. The entire US Constitution is designed to protect the liberty and sovereignty of the individual from the oppression of government. Socialism and Communism requires a loss of that sovereignty and reduction if not total loss of liberty. Therefor leaning toward these forms of government is leaning toward tyranny and if you are a believer in liberty it must be stopped or at a minimum exposed.

I applaud Joe McCarthy and his right hand man the young Robert Kennedy. The real smear artist was Murrow and his Communist Broadcasting System.
I can hear the worms spinning in the brains of the brainwashed. Start with the name calling it is what you have been conditioned to do.
CBS Murrow vs. McCarthyism - Last gasp propaganda ... (show quote)






McCarthy vs Edward R. Murrow??? That is surely going to engage the millenials, the youngest group of American voters. I can see the Republican's p.r. campaign now. They can use a McCarthy look-alike driving a Chevy Bel-air, with "see the USA in your chevrolet" playing in the background.

The oldest of the millenials were about 10 when the USSR gave up the communist ghost. Try asking anyone, under 40, to tell you who McCarthy and Murrow were.

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Mar 8, 2014 15:15:25   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Why are you still picking on Right Wingers? And I will say insults shouldn't even be in arguments, insults are used to
start fights.


Tell that about insults to your RWE buddies, Mac, and to yourself. I'm just mildly returning what I've had from the RWE bully gang since I entered OPP. I'm picking on extremists because they're radical and sick in their thinking. I may disagree with Republicans and vote Dem but I don't pick on them, only on extremists right and left.

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Mar 8, 2014 15:37:40   #
Ve'hoe
 
The "truest" definition of fairness is the same as the definition of equality in communism... every one is "Equal" but a few elite are more equal than all others and therefore get more goodies than the rest..



no propaganda please wrote:
"fairness" is an undefinable tern. What is fair to me is to allow people to succeed or fail on their own without assistance from other people. Fairness to many is to lower all to the lowest common denominator, so no one has more than any one else.

\However I do not believe in not helping those who genuinely need help. I do not believe in giving anything to those who can help themselves but choose not to make the effort. Perhaps to Progressives that policy is "unfair" but I will stick by it, period.
"fairness" is an undefinable tern. What ... (show quote)

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Mar 8, 2014 15:42:03   #
Ve'hoe
 
I'm throwing the BS flag, jon,,, you retort all snarky and snotty, then get whiny when people come back at you..

That is a liberal trick,,, start a fight and then piss and moan when you get hit, trying to blame the others for starting it.,.... I've read from the beginning and you gave as much as you got,,, what gives with the "aching-mangina" routine????


jonhatfield wrote:
Tell that about insults to your RWE buddies, Mac, and to yourself. I'm just mildly returning what I've had from the RWE bully gang since I entered OPP. I'm picking on extremists because they're radical and sick in their thinking. I may disagree with Republicans and vote Dem but I don't pick on them, only on extremists right and left.

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Mar 8, 2014 15:50:38   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Why are you still picking on Right Wingers? And I will say insults shouldn't even be in arguments, insults are used to
start fights.


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Mar 8, 2014 16:05:32   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
The "truest" definition of fairness is the same as the definition of equality in communism... every one is "Equal" but a few elite are more equal than all others and therefore get more goodies than the rest..


Equating 'fairness' to economic equality in communism is a bit of a twist. In fact, a huge peculiar twist only a right wingy extremist would make. You've been outed Ve'hoe.

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Mar 8, 2014 16:15:31   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Gee, which of you was it that told me insults were the last resort in argument? I see the RWE gang-up club is still in business. What a compliment to have so many join in!


it's only an insult if it's not true in your case it is true

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Mar 8, 2014 16:23:40   #
vernon
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Did you change and join the left wingers and vote Democratic because you think "fairness" is more important than freedom?


all he does is run his mouth and very rude doing it just ignore the ass

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Mar 8, 2014 16:55:10   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I'm throwing the BS flag, jon,,, you retort all snarky and snotty, then get whiny when people come back at you..

That is a liberal trick,,, start a fight and then piss and moan when you get hit, trying to blame the others for starting it.,.... I've read from the beginning and you gave as much as you got,,, what gives with the "aching-mangina" routine????


I'm not 'whining' about it. I call the bully trash talking OPP gang out and am satisfied when they prove exactly what despicable low class people they are.

'A liberal trick'--a little bit of conspiracy thinking there? If you mean liberal characterisic, just say it that way without the trick twist...that, by the way is classic RWE characteristic. The conspiracy thinking is also a RWE characteristic. :-D

There is a difference between truthful descriptive labeling (often tactless) and trash talk. (Check out the RWE responses on this and other threads for trash talking.) I usually try to stick to labeling but today I loosened my standards to use words like despicable and idiot.

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Mar 8, 2014 17:33:27   #
Patty
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I'm throwing the BS flag, jon,,, you retort all snarky and snotty, then get whiny when people come back at you..

That is a liberal trick,,, start a fight and then piss and moan when you get hit, trying to blame the others for starting it.,.... I've read from the beginning and you gave as much as you got,,, what gives with the "aching-mangina" routine????


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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