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Sep 3, 2018 13:18:30   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
You and yours keep ranting about Socialism... Name some Socialist programs that have harmed you or me. or even exist...

Did I strike a nerve?

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Sep 3, 2018 13:38:49   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
4430 wrote:
Nothing wrong with getting rid of costly and burdensome rules and regs to get jobs and people back to work and it worked if those that hate Trump so bad would open their eyes to the fact !

One only has to look at what what the economy is doing now a days and look at the unemployment rate drop for all Americans as well as the Black and Hispanic groups more folks off welfare and into jobs !


Lest we forget;

“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Barack Hussein Obama – President of the United States.

Obama made this arrogantly communistic statement with total disregard for the FACT that 90% of all U.S. Companies have less than 20 employees and are responsible for over 97% of net new jobs AND collect and forward the majority of tax for/to the federal government; the taxes that built the roads and bridges that move the product; the taxes that came into existence BECAUSE of these small businesses … and the millions of hours and personal risk that went into building them ...

The Obama administration promulgated over 20,000 new regulations that have created compliance costs in the hundreds of billions of dollars; that HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS. He demonstrated total disregard for the Constitutional limits of his office, public opinion and economic impact particularly on the SMALL BUSINESS community making Gina McCarthy, an environmental radical, and her EPA his vehicle to forward his Leftist agenda.

The compliance costs associated with EPA regulations alone under Gina McCarthy have grown by more than $50 billion in annual costs. These higher costs which include the energy sector and yes, Toms Lumber Sector, ripple throughout the economy, pulling down GDP, killing thousands of jobs, and increasing the cost of consumer goods.

And we wonder why Obama's anemic 'recovery' was still anemic after 72 months?

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Sep 3, 2018 14:14:33   #
debeda
 
CDM wrote:
Bernie; Well said. Albeit, looking at the exchange so far you may as well be arguing with a toilet.

I believe the concept of America has never had an opportunity to really soar because of the Leftist Democrat ball and chain around it's ankle for the past 150 years. I will take the liberty to expand on your observations here;

I believe the ultimate goal of Leftism in the United States - which is a unique form of Leftism that can only be employed here - is ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF ALL HUMAN ACTIVITY cradle to grave. The primary weapons in their arsenal to achieve this goal are racism, redistribution of wealth, a strangle hold on health care, environmental terrorism and the elimination of the 1st and 2nd amendments. Today we see these weapons turned on us in all out assault on our Republic 24/7/365.

While we as individuals make distinctions and decisions no true Leftist can admit any good associated with capitalism and therefore by association, with America; a concept they despise. They are conditioned to regurgitate the Party Line, nothing more or less. No thought required.
Bernie; Well said. Albeit, looking at the exchan... (show quote)



AGREED

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Sep 3, 2018 14:29:52   #
emarine
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Frosty, you leftists would be better served to look past your hating of the rich and start going after the non-producing, unelected federal employees who are sucking up most of the tax money. Any idea how you would make progressive the gas tax, sales tax, beer tax, etc? The drumbeat of "tax the rich" is so stupid.



I do agree that Fed employees have it good but the big waste is our Fortune 500 Military contractors who receive billions in tax dollars making huge profits paying back little in tax... we are all to support our Military personal but ignore where the big money goes... Eisenhower warned the American people of this problem over 50 years ago... & Trump gives them more in unpaid budget & more tax cuts at the peoples cost... how Plutocratic...

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Sep 3, 2018 14:35:07   #
debeda
 
emarine wrote:
I do agree that Fed employees have it good but the big waste is our Fortune 500 Military contractors who receive billions in tax dollars making huge profits paying back little in tax... we are all to support our Military personal but ignore where the big money goes... Eisenhower warned the American people of this problem over 50 years ago... & Trump gives them more in unpaid budget & more tax cuts at the peoples cost... how Plutocratic...


Nah, I think it's more Mickey mouse.

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Sep 3, 2018 14:53:41   #
emarine
 
CDM wrote:
Lest we forget;

“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Barack Hussein Obama – President of the United States.

Obama made this arrogantly communistic statement with total disregard for the FACT that 90% of all U.S. Companies have less than 20 employees and are responsible for over 97% of net new jobs AND collect and forward the majority of tax for/to the federal government; the taxes that built the roads and bridges that move the product; the taxes that came into existence BECAUSE of these small businesses … and the millions of hours and personal risk that went into building them ...

The Obama administration promulgated over 20,000 new regulations that have created compliance costs in the hundreds of billions of dollars; that HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS. He demonstrated total disregard for the Constitutional limits of his office, public opinion and economic impact particularly on the SMALL BUSINESS community making Gina McCarthy, an environmental radical, and her EPA his vehicle to forward his Leftist agenda.

The compliance costs associated with EPA regulations alone under Gina McCarthy have grown by more than $50 billion in annual costs. These higher costs which include the energy sector and yes, Toms Lumber Sector, ripple throughout the economy, pulling down GDP, killing thousands of jobs, and increasing the cost of consumer goods.

And we wonder why Obama's anemic 'recovery' was still anemic after 72 months?
Lest we forget; br br “If you’ve got a business —... (show quote)




The distinction between a large & small business is 500 employees … recheck your numbers... however small business has always paid in the majority from the tax base because of this 500 employee break point...

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Sep 3, 2018 14:56:30   #
emarine
 
debeda wrote:
Nah, I think it's more Mickey mouse.




I agree if Mickey mouse aligns with Trump logic...

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Sep 3, 2018 15:41:15   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
permafrost wrote:
Of course you are wrong.. Liberal want equal opportunity.. we do not expect equal outcome nor do we want to strip the wealth from anyone. we do however want the rich to pay according the the benefits they receive from
our government..

What good does it do the poor people to be compared to a 3rd world country? They do not live there, they live in the US, a very wealthy country which means a high cost of living.

Would you feel good to compare our poor people with one of the oil rich actions? Saudi Arabia maybe?

Redistribution of wealth, tearing down the rich??? where do you people get this crap? Glenn Beck?

As I said, they, i am sure would be very happy with equal opportunity.. Of course not all would get rich, any more then all of get rich. Only a real chance to do so..
Of course you are wrong.. Liberal want equal oppo... (show quote)


My friend, it is you who are wrong. Your words do not match your actions - or perhaps I should say your words in one place do not match your words in another place. If you aren't stripping the wealth from the rich by raising taxes on them, then what are you doing? You say "the benefits they receive from our government." What you apparently don't realize is that our government doesn't have any money that it doesn't first take from our citizens in the form of taxes. Of course, they print money or borrow it (same thing), then it has to be paid back in the future - and by whom? You guessed it. US citizens. I maintain that liberals do want equal outcome, or at least MORE equal outcome. You complain that redistribution of wealth and tearing down the rich are not real goals of the left but what in the world do call that which you have been preaching? I call it jealousy and class warfare. Under free market capitalism, anyone can start a business and endeavor to get ahead. He also has the right to take a risk and maybe to fail, just like the guys (or gals) did who you are complaining don't pay enough taxes. Oil rich countries? How about Venezuela? Leftist policies didn't work out so well there did they? BTW, a wealthy country doesn't necessarily equate to a high cost of living. Do you think Saudi Arabia has no poor people? If so, do you think they feel better since they live in an oil-rich nation?

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Sep 3, 2018 15:42:38   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
permafrost wrote:
trouble #1 with censorship of any sort... Who gets to decide what regs are burdensome and what rules are needed?


Well Obama piled them on high and Trump slashed them down and the mfg and other companies took off bonuses were given people started back to work the list goes on and on !

I know I know you'll come back with all sorts crying foul !

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Sep 3, 2018 15:43:41   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
emarine wrote:
I do agree that Fed employees have it good but the big waste is our Fortune 500 Military contractors who receive billions in tax dollars making huge profits paying back little in tax... we are all to support our Military personal but ignore where the big money goes... Eisenhower warned the American people of this problem over 50 years ago... & Trump gives them more in unpaid budget & more tax cuts at the peoples cost... how Plutocratic...
As a % of the budget, the military is somewhere around 1/2 the share that it was during JFK.

Military spending does need to be addressed, but welfare is the bigger problem.

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Sep 3, 2018 16:30:21   #
emarine
 
Super Dave wrote:
As a % of the budget, the military is somewhere around 1/2 the share that it was during JFK.

Military spending does need to be addressed, but welfare is the bigger problem.



How about we compare our Military budget to the rest of the developed country's & realize where the problem is... now on top of that lets audit the Pentagon to account where the trillions went... to who & for what... China will surpass our Military dominance shortly spending 1/50th of the funds in the last 50 years... There is a huge difference in supporting our troops & supporting our Military Plutocracy that destroys America from within... Blind Patriotism to large Military spending is the road to serfdom Dave... watch those who sell fear to understand where the problem lays... were we spreading Democracy or securing resources for big Business ?... Some basic reflection & honesty is involved here not your dividends Dave...

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Sep 3, 2018 16:36:00   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
emarine wrote:
How about we compare our Military budget to the rest of the developed country's & realize where the problem is... now on top of that lets audit the Pentagon to account where the trillions went... to who & for what... China will surpass our Military dominance shortly spending 1/50th of the funds in the last 50 years... There is a huge difference in supporting our troops & supporting our Military Plutocracy that destroys America from within... Blind Patriotism to large Military spending is the road to serfdom Dave... watch those who sell fear to understand where the problem lays... were we spreading Democracy or securing resources for big Bossiness?... Some basic reflection & honesty is involved here not your dividends Dave...
How about we compare our Military budget to the re... (show quote)
I don't give a shit how our military budget compares to other countries. America either protects or defends against most of them.

It sounds like you might support Trump pushing the other NATO countries to step up their contributions. If so, we agree on that.

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Sep 3, 2018 16:47:28   #
emarine
 
Super Dave wrote:
I don't give a shit how our military budget compares to other countries. America either protects or defends against most of them.

It sounds like you might support Trump pushing the other NATO countries to step up their contributions. If so, we agree on that.




Simple logic dictates if you ask for more funds from allies you would decrease our Military spending not increase it... same logic as cutting tax in a booming economy... the extra funding would help for overspending or pay for infrastructure neglected for decades or help to start to paydown an impossible public debt where the public gained little to nothing...

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Sep 3, 2018 17:01:02   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
emarine wrote:
Simple logic dictates if you ask for more funds from allies you would decrease our Military spending not increase it... same logic as cutting tax in a booming economy... the extra funding would help for overspending or pay for infrastructure neglected for decades or help to start to paydown an impossible public debt where the public gained little to nothing...

Logic suggests you all for the military budget you need, regardless of what you "ask" others to spend on their defense.

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Sep 3, 2018 17:02:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Did I strike a nerve?




At my age i have no nerves.... but you still have not answered a question in days..



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