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Jul 31, 2018 13:42:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
As I said before " You need to go back to law school. If Rudy says collusion is not a crime, then it is not a crime. If you can prove Treason, then you are smarter than Mueller because he has been at this forever and still has squat. "

Rudy admitted nothing. He stated a fact. You are not a lawyer, so do not play one now. You have no idea what you speak of.


it was all of a side comment, like even if, it's still not a crime. But no, that one little comment and the entire leftist never trump media is all over it, "so you admit to collusion!" LOL!

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Jul 31, 2018 15:54:13   #
emarine
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I know some Russian journalists IN Russia. What they do is practice "journalism" and report the news. They are not pundits pretending to be journalists and yes, they don't run a Putin bashing program 24/7 like the media in the states. If our media outlets respected journalism, their bosses would put the pressure on them to do it right. But then you guys would accuse Trump of suppressing the media. No wait, you do that anyway when he calls them out on their truth twisting and lies.
I know some Russian journalists IN Russia. What t... (show quote)




Media freedom in Russia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



2017 Press Freedom Index[1]
Free Partly Free Not Free

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Media freedom in Russia concerns both the ability of directors of mass media outlets to carry out independent policies and the ability of journalists to access sources of information and to work without outside pressure. Media of Russia include television and radio channels, periodicals, and Internet media, which according to the laws of the Russian Federation may be either state or private property.
In 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index from Reporters Without Borders. In 2015 Freedom House report Russia got score of 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass-media.[2] The situation was characterised as even worse in Crimea where, after annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are routinely applied to limit freedom of expression.[3]
Various aspects of the contemporary press freedom situation are criticized by multiple international organizations.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] While much attention is paid to political influences, media expert William Dunkerley, a senior fellow at American University in Moscow, argues that the genesis of Russia's press freedom woes lies in sectoral economic dysfunction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia

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Jul 31, 2018 16:19:23   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Trump tried to over throw a democratically elected President. So if Trump is found guilty then would life without parole be better than being shot dead? You guys wanted to shoot Obama dead on the WH lawn. I would be satisfied if Trump were just imprisoned for the rest of his miserable life--a life without tweeter or phone or any devise whatsoever....
BS. You know for a fact that you are wrong, which makes you the worst kind of liar, because your intent is not only to lie, but tell the most obnoxious lie.

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Jul 31, 2018 16:34:22   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
emarine wrote:
Media freedom in Russia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



2017 Press Freedom Index[1]
Free Partly Free Not Free

vte
Media freedom in Russia concerns both the ability of directors of mass media outlets to carry out independent policies and the ability of journalists to access sources of information and to work without outside pressure. Media of Russia include television and radio channels, periodicals, and Internet media, which according to the laws of the Russian Federation may be either state or private property.
In 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index from Reporters Without Borders. In 2015 Freedom House report Russia got score of 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass-media.[2] The situation was characterised as even worse in Crimea where, after annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are routinely applied to limit freedom of expression.[3]
Various aspects of the contemporary press freedom situation are criticized by multiple international organizations.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] While much attention is paid to political influences, media expert William Dunkerley, a senior fellow at American University in Moscow, argues that the genesis of Russia's press freedom woes lies in sectoral economic dysfunction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia
Media freedom in Russia br From Wikipedia, the fre... (show quote)


Media freedom is a subjective assessment from "journalists" who, if their work is criticized as being political or biased, proclaim they are under attack and are losing their freedoms. It would appear that the most free media in the world is the one never questioned or criticized because they lack credibility or truthfulness or unbiased reporting.

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Aug 1, 2018 02:40:08   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"Trump tried to over throw an democratically elected President." That is about as stupid a thing as I've heard, peter.

And please, don't equate the far, far right idiots of the gun tot'en/bible banging crowd with the majority of conservatives, although we can certainly equate 99% of democrats with leftist idiots pushing socialism and the demise of American values!!

Well I have a feeling you are going to be hearing more of it as time goes on...why else would Trump go from NO collusion, NO collusion to Collusion isn't a crime? As for the demise of American values haven't you shot those to shit by embracing a man who colluded with the Russian government in order to upset the duly elected President? You want to cry about socialism when you are sure as hell going to cash those SS checks and pay for any health issues with socialized medicine all while the Republic you people are suppose to love was shot all to shit because the worlds biggest ego didn't think he could beat a woman--and he couldn't, that's one thing he got right. Did you know he didn't even have an acceptance speech ready to go? Only concession because he knew that's where he should be. Trump is Putin's Puppet and I guess that makes you cons Trumps poodles doesn't it. What you aren't are the proud American patriots that you were before Donald J Trump. You gave that up when you sold yourselves out to be the poodle to the puppet of Vladimir Putin...sad...

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Aug 1, 2018 02:53:39   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Media freedom is a subjective assessment from "journalists" who, if their work is criticized as being political or biased, proclaim they are under attack and are losing their freedoms. It would appear that the most free media in the world is the one never questioned or criticized because they lack credibility or truthfulness or unbiased reporting.

So are you talking about Fox? You do know that they tailor their news to give their views what they want--whether what they want is true doesn't matter in the delivery in the news. Shep Smith did a rebuttal of the Uranium one scandal only not a single conservative could be bother to listen to it because it didn't give them the version of Crooked Hillary that they wanted to hear--instead he told them the truth and to a man they turned away from him and called him a liar--even though what he said was the absolute true.

You see, you cons don't want the truth, you want the propaganda that already fits with what you've come to think of the world. You think Hillary sold her country out so the only narrative you will listen to is that which supports your preconceived ideas of what Crooked Hillary did. And it didn't matter that Shep was Fox News that he didn't tell you the narrative you wanted was all that was needed to turn away from the truth.

Fox News stays in business not by what Shep reports but what all the other useful idiots feed you even more useful idiots. It's unfortunate because truth has no place in the narrative told by Fox News which is why, outside of Shep, everyone else is going to be telling you what you want to hear--not what is the truth...

Below is the link to Sheps report. It's about the only thing Truthful that Fox has reported all year long:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5646426075001/?playlist_id=2694949843001#sp=show-clips

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Aug 1, 2018 05:32:03   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Well I have a feeling you are going to be hearing more of it as time goes on...why else would Trump go from NO collusion, NO collusion to Collusion isn't a crime?
He didn't.

But you knew that before you lied.

Trump went from "No Collusion and Collusion isn't a Crime" to "No Collusion and Collusion isn't a Crime".

Your lies are becoming weaker and weaker as you get more and more upset over MAGA.

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Aug 1, 2018 07:14:58   #
JONDO
 
PeterS wrote:
How true. Unfortunately what poor Rudy doesn't seem to understand is that Treason and conspiring to defraud the American people of a democratic election all would be crimes and the first punishable by DEATH! Now if this were any other president besides Trump I would have the inclination to tell him what a sorry POS he had for a lawyer but since Trump is a sorry POS as a president then he sorta deserves the type of lawyer that is the same...don't you think!

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/30/rudy-giuliani-fox-news-collusion.html
How true. Unfortunately what poor Rudy doesn't see... (show quote)
Thats because the liberals have screwed the meaning of collusion, According to them it is collusion to even speak to your wife. Just like groping, They screwed that up to.,Now a man is afraid to even ask for a date. What good is a date if you cant grope.They have practically turned groping into rape. Men grope, Thats what we do, Women dress to be groped,Thats what they do..Worked alright till the liberals took over and made lying legal and telling the truth illegal. Now some women are using groping to make money It takes the place of prostitution,You can blackmail the hell out of a man now. They have taken the common sense out of dating or even talking to people, They can make him lose every thing with just one little lie.

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Aug 1, 2018 07:35:13   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
BS. You know for a fact that you are wrong, which makes you the worst kind of liar, because your intent is not only to lie, but tell the most obnoxious lie.

And how is that? 007 asked me the definition of Treason for which I gave it too him: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Well if Trump conspired with Putin to over throw the legitimately elected government then he "Betrayed ones country" and "overthrow the government. Now the only way we will know if that is true is when Mueller lays out his hand. My stance is that the change in rhetoric from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime" shows that he thinks Mueller is going to come across something in the Manafort trial that will indicate collusion with the Russians ergo the change in rhetoric.

Now collusion may not be a crime but to conspire to change the legitimately elected leader with a foreign power is most certainly TREASON and I say that's what the relationship that Trump developed with Putin indicates!

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Aug 1, 2018 07:57:19   #
JONDO
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is that? 007 asked me the definition of Treason for which I gave it too him: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Well if Trump conspired with Putin to over throw the legitimately elected government then he "Betrayed ones country" and "overthrow the government. Now the only way we will know if that is true is when Mueller lays out his hand. My stance is that the change in rhetoric from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime" shows that he thinks Mueller is going to come across something in the Manafort trial that will indicate collusion with the Russians ergo the change in rhetoric.

Now collusion may not be a crime but to conspire to change the legitimately elected leader with a foreign power is most certainly TREASON and I say that's what the relationship that Trump developed with Putin indicates!
And how is that? 007 asked me the definition of Tr... (show quote)
thrs two ways of looking at that, your way and my way, Your way stinks, You will never give Trump credit for anything even while he is trying to save our country, Pull your head out of your -ss and look around.

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Aug 1, 2018 08:56:46   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
PeterS wrote:
How true. Unfortunately what poor Rudy doesn't seem to understand is that Treason and conspiring to defraud the American people of a democratic election all would be crimes and the first punishable by DEATH! Now if this were any other president besides Trump I would have the inclination to tell him what a sorry POS he had for a lawyer but since Trump is a sorry POS as a president then he sorta deserves the type of lawyer that is the same...don't you think!

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/30/rudy-giuliani-fox-news-collusion.html
How true. Unfortunately what poor Rudy doesn't see... (show quote)


ditto

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Aug 1, 2018 09:27:14   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is that? 007 asked me the definition of Treason for which I gave it too him: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Well if Trump conspired with Putin to over throw the legitimately elected government then he "Betrayed ones country" and "overthrow the government. Now the only way we will know if that is true is when Mueller lays out his hand. My stance is that the change in rhetoric from "no collusion" to "collusion is not a crime" shows that he thinks Mueller is going to come across something in the Manafort trial that will indicate collusion with the Russians ergo the change in rhetoric.

Now collusion may not be a crime but to conspire to change the legitimately elected leader with a foreign power is most certainly TREASON and I say that's what the relationship that Trump developed with Putin indicates!
And how is that? 007 asked me the definition of Tr... (show quote)

Yet Obama attempted to destroy America and make it a Socialist Dictatorship and that IS NOT TREASON.

Different rules for different people?

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Aug 1, 2018 14:20:50   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
So are you talking about Fox? You do know that they tailor their news to give their views what they want--whether what they want is true doesn't matter in the delivery in the news. Shep Smith did a rebuttal of the Uranium one scandal only not a single conservative could be bother to listen to it because it didn't give them the version of Crooked Hillary that they wanted to hear--instead he told them the truth and to a man they turned away from him and called him a liar--even though what he said was the absolute true.

You see, you cons don't want the truth, you want the propaganda that already fits with what you've come to think of the world. You think Hillary sold her country out so the only narrative you will listen to is that which supports your preconceived ideas of what Crooked Hillary did. And it didn't matter that Shep was Fox News that he didn't tell you the narrative you wanted was all that was needed to turn away from the truth.

Fox News stays in business not by what Shep reports but what all the other useful idiots feed you even more useful idiots. It's unfortunate because truth has no place in the narrative told by Fox News which is why, outside of Shep, everyone else is going to be telling you what you want to hear--not what is the truth...

Below is the link to Sheps report. It's about the only thing Truthful that Fox has reported all year long:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5646426075001/?playlist_id=2694949843001#sp=show-clips
So are you talking about Fox? You do know that the... (show quote)


What we know is that Hillary had an unsecured server which she had classified documents on and received and sent them from there, ,probably including Obama. We know the DNC servers were never examined and so we don't even know if they were hacked. We know Hillary cheated Bernie out of the nomination by the DNC colluding with CBS/NBC getting her the debate questions before hand. We know they, Hillary and the DNC paid for the Russian dossier, that is, Russian dirt on Trump and used it to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.

You have a defenseless position. Add to that the politicization of the FBI and the CIA and their "we" will stop him and man, you got troubles.

So what is meddling anyway?? Is it Meddling when Russia takes out ads on social media favoring a candidate?? What is it when other groups take out ads favoring other candidates, or try to dominate the "news" with their 24/7 Trump bashing?? Is every one in the world allowed to post on Facebook and other social media but Russia? Is CNN and MSNBC the only "news" outlets to bask on someone 24/7??

The case against Hillary on many questionable practices related to the campaign is mountains greater than against Trump.

So what IS the truth about meddling and collusion? Ya know, most of those Facebook ads would favor the "non-racist" candidate which you leftists would say is not Trump??

Give us some more of your "facts." LOL!!!!!! I have plenty!!

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Aug 2, 2018 02:15:38   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What we know is that Hillary had an unsecured server which she had classified documents on and received and sent them from there, ,probably including Obama. We know the DNC servers were never examined and so we don't even know if they were hacked. We know Hillary cheated Bernie out of the nomination by the DNC colluding with CBS/NBC getting her the debate questions before hand. We know they, Hillary and the DNC paid for the Russian dossier, that is, Russian dirt on Trump and used it to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.

You have a defenseless position. Add to that the politicization of the FBI and the CIA and their "we" will stop him and man, you got troubles.

So what is meddling anyway?? Is it Meddling when Russia takes out ads on social media favoring a candidate?? What is it when other groups take out ads favoring other candidates, or try to dominate the "news" with their 24/7 Trump bashing?? Is every one in the world allowed to post on Facebook and other social media but Russia? Is CNN and MSNBC the only "news" outlets to bask on someone 24/7??

The case against Hillary on many questionable practices related to the campaign is mountains greater than against Trump.

So what IS the truth about meddling and collusion? Ya know, most of those Facebook ads would favor the "non-racist" candidate which you leftists would say is not Trump??

Give us some more of your "facts." LOL!!!!!! I have plenty!!
What we know is that Hillary had an unsecured serv... (show quote)


This is a statement made by Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation on Feb 4th:

There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So, yes, there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.

Also, what you are neglecting is that the FISA judges were all republican appointments and even if the FISA warrant was used to get the first warrant it was renewed twice more and that couldn't' have happened unless evidence warranted it.

As for Hillary cheating Bernie out of the nomination. Clinton won three of the first four contests. She won the entire South. The whole thing. She won most of the Northeast. Sanders' performed best in the upper Midwest and in states with caucuses, which are a better measure of the intensity of a candidate's support than its breadth. And she won the Democratic coalition of minorities and women -- the people Democrats thought then and still believe they need to show up to win. Yes, she didn't lock it up until late but Bernie never had a real chance to ever win the nomination.

This is an exchange between Clinton and Collin Powell: Clinton wrote to Powell about his own email practices, after President Obama’s successful effort to keep his BlackBerry as president.

“What were the restrictions on your use of your BlackBerry?” Clinton asked Powell on the morning of January 23, 2009, two days after she was sworn in as Secretary of State.

“President Obama has struck a blow for berry addicts like us,” she wrote. “I just have to figure out how to bring along the State Dept.”

Powell, in his reply, said he didn’t have a Blackberry, but used a personal computer hooked up to a private phone line to communicate with friends and world leaders “without it going through the State Department servers.”

The email exchange “illustrates the longstanding problem that no Secretary of State ever used an official unclassified email account” until Clinton, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement.


Yes Hillary was careless, she admitted it, but so were Secretaries of States in the past.

Lastly, you can go on about Hillary all you like--but Fox News being the propaganda wing of the GOP has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton nor her being a pedophile or whatever other "facts" you have on her. The one bright spot on Fox is Shep Smith and I see like other cons you ignored everything he had to say. It's a shame the truth doesn't seem to fit your narrative...

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Aug 2, 2018 02:32:22   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
PeterS wrote:
This is a statement made by Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation on Feb 4th:

There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So, yes, there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.

Also, what you are neglecting is that the FISA judges were all republican appointments and even if the FISA warrant was used to get the first warrant it was renewed twice more and that couldn't' have happened unless evidence warranted it.

As for Hillary cheating Bernie out of the nomination. Clinton won three of the first four contests. She won the entire South. The whole thing. She won most of the Northeast. Sanders' performed best in the upper Midwest and in states with caucuses, which are a better measure of the intensity of a candidate's support than its breadth. And she won the Democratic coalition of minorities and women -- the people Democrats thought then and still believe they need to show up to win. Yes, she didn't lock it up until late but Bernie never had a real chance to ever win the nomination.

This is an exchange between Clinton and Collin Powell: Clinton wrote to Powell about his own email practices, after President Obama’s successful effort to keep his BlackBerry as president.

“What were the restrictions on your use of your BlackBerry?” Clinton asked Powell on the morning of January 23, 2009, two days after she was sworn in as Secretary of State.

“President Obama has struck a blow for berry addicts like us,” she wrote. “I just have to figure out how to bring along the State Dept.”

Powell, in his reply, said he didn’t have a Blackberry, but used a personal computer hooked up to a private phone line to communicate with friends and world leaders “without it going through the State Department servers.”

The email exchange “illustrates the longstanding problem that no Secretary of State ever used an official unclassified email account” until Clinton, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement.


Yes Hillary was careless, she admitted it, but so were Secretaries of States in the past.

Lastly, you can go on about Hillary all you like--but Fox News being the propaganda wing of the GOP has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton nor her being a pedophile or whatever other "facts" you have on her. The one bright spot on Fox is Shep Smith and I see like other cons you ignored everything he had to say. It's a shame the truth doesn't seem to fit your narrative...
This is a statement made by Trey Gowdy on Face the... (show quote)




So yeah, what I see in your post excluding the pundit drama.. The precedent has been set, so further use of unsecured servers..is okie dokie.
I got your copy..10-4

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