Lesbian denied a haircut by male Muslim barbers (Page 9): I have to wonder if you have read the article I posted to begin this thread. I wanted to see people discuss gender and...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

skott wrote:

That would be me. And it never says to avoid homosexuals, it says to avoid sinners, not necessarily the same thing.
Interesting story. As a Christian, we believe that he is an aspect of God just as the Holy Spirit is. I don't think you have to agree, that's your choice.
If I said it was an offense to my religion that you don't believe Jesus was the savior, and that I should not do business with you because of that, what would you think?
The King probably felt both jealous and proud.

I have to wonder if you have read the article I posted to begin this thread. I wanted to see people discuss gender and religion and nobody seems to want to talk about gender. The lesbian was a woman, of course, and the Muslim barbers aren't allowed by their religious beliefs to cut the hair of a woman not their relative. It seems that all of the gender difficulty has been forgotten up to now. Excuse me If I hurt your feelings.

SeniorVerdad

oldroy wrote:

This took place in Canada but how long before it h... (show quote)

Is this reasoning that much different from the bakery owner who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple on religious grounds? ? What if it happened here? I wonder how the courts would respond to a Muslim refusing due to religious beliefs.

rumitoid

It is a very simple question.
As was pointed out in the AZ case, had the proprietors of those stores acted consistently in objecting on religious grounds it would not have been seen as discriminatory to deny service to homosexuals. The same is true for the barber as far as gender goes.
My point in the AZ case dealt strictly with the faulty theology used.
It is interesting to argue about the right to discriminate being greater than the right to equal treatment under the law.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you for your interest in my belief. Our synagogues are open and there is a place set aside for non-Jewish people to sit. Now there is a vast differences in our faith, as there is in Christianity, so when you visit keep this in mind. You will be welcomed, with curiosity, and treated well.

bahmer wrote:

Not being Jewish nor having any Jewish friends alt... (show quote)

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

ibKelly wrote:

Frankly.... I believe all these gays and lesbians ... (show quote)

I think you have hit this one on the head. Activists, no matter be they gay, non-white, white, or whatever have been behaving just as you say for some time now.

I always think about an interview my brother had with a black student in 1968 at a college in North Carolina. After the student had taken him down a road he didn't want to go he asked if he would get the job and was told that he would not be hired and the color of his skin wouldn't influence anything. It turned out that the student was working on his MS degree and was writing his paper about interviewing techniques and he was very unhappy to learn that he wouldn't have got the job even if he had wanted it, which he didn't. Back then so many people thought that skin color was the main thing in getting a job, but only browbeat employers let that fool law affect what they did.

BTW, where did you get that avatar that is so fitting?

LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA

bahmer wrote:

You may win out on the haircut but may also receive other things cut as well which may be hazardous to ones health.

I think I said something to that effect, to wit, that it may not be healthy to mess with a Muslim with it comes to his religion.

skott Loc: Bama

ibKelly wrote:

I firmly believe that lesbian went to that Muslim (of all places) to make a point.... and that is she KNEW he would not cut her hair... she KNEW they dont touch women other than their wives.... so she did that to either sue and collect money.. or to prove a point... it's really sad when a person has to use extortion to get someone in trouble for how they feel about a certain situation....... There is always a motive behind every madness....

You are entirely right. She may have gone there to make a point. She also may not have. Did you ask yourself the question of whether or not the point was worth making? Its not extortion to want and expect equal rights under the law. Neither our constitution nor the Canadian law says that rights are only for white conservative Christians.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You seem to hit the situation square on! Good for you! :thumbup: :thumbup:

ibKelly wrote:

Frankly.... I believe all these gays and lesbians ... (show quote)

bahmer

ginnyt wrote:

Thank you for your interest in my belief. Our synagogues are open and there is a place set aside for non-Jewish people to sit. Now there is a vast differences in our faith, as there is in Christianity, so when you visit keep this in mind. You will be welcomed, with curiosity, and treated well.

Again being ignorant I have heard that there are various sects of Jewish people much like different denominations within the Christian community. I have heard of the reformed Jewish synagogue and I believe that there are two more distinct groups or belief systems like and I am using my words here the more devout or conservative Jews and then there is a middle of the road group as well. I also understand that all synagogues meet on Saturday or the last day of the week. Are they more likely to meet in the morning or are there differing times for their meetings. Also unless the meaning of the story is forbidden to be told I would really like to hear the true meaning to the story. I also feel that so much has been lost to the Christian community by not teaching Hebrew and our joint heritages as well as a more universal and compatible existence between the two. Who knows.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

skott wrote:

You are entirely right. She may have gone there to make a point. She also may not have. Did you ask yourself the question of whether or not the point was worth making? Its not extortion to want and expect equal rights under the law. Neither our constitution nor the Canadian law says that rights are only for white conservative Christians.

Understandable position. You may want to expand your last part; "only for white conservative Christians" and add Black, Liberals, atheist, or sewer rats..... and this can be expanded to include the whole of the created world. Laws should protect both sides; that is the meaning of justice. It is a equal protection.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

oldroy wrote:

This should create quite a quandary for our liberals. Why else would I post it?

No quandary at all. The states issue business licenses; therefore, it would sound logical (to me) that a public business has to abide by state laws; ergo, I would think a business open to the PUBLIC would have to be totally nondiscriminatory. Just my opinion, mind you.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

ginnyt wrote:

Understandable position. You may want to expand your last part; "only for white conservative Christians" and add Black, Liberals, atheist, or sewer rats..... and this can be expanded to include the whole of the created world. Laws should protect both sides; that is the meaning of justice. It is a equal protection.

I've tried to splain that to skotty, but to no avail.

skott Loc: Bama

oldroy wrote:

I have to wonder if you have read the article I posted to begin this thread. I wanted to see people discuss gender and religion and nobody seems to want to talk about gender. The lesbian was a woman, of course, and the Muslim barbers aren't allowed by their religious beliefs to cut the hair of a woman not their relative. It seems that all of the gender difficulty has been forgotten up to now. Excuse me If I hurt your feelings.

I read it. It starts out talking about a lesbian. It speculates as to her reason for picking that shop. It may be because of the Muslins. It also may be because she was passing by. The article assumes the worst of her. Only in her mind is the answer.
It was not about gender other than the Muslins beliefs.
You didn't hurt my feelings.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Searching wrote:

No quandary at all. The states issue business licenses; therefore, it would sound logical (to me) that a public business has to abide by state laws; ergo, I would think a business open to the PUBLIC would have to be totally nondiscriminatory. Just my opinion, mind you.

Then why doesn't anyone do anything about this guy?

When New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez had her aides call to schedule a hair appointment, hair stylist Antonio Darden refused. He explained to a local TV station, "Because of her stances and her views on [same-sex marriage], I told her aides no. They called the next day, asking if I'd changed my mind about taking the governor in and I said no." Darden himself is homosexual. So evidently when a photographer doesn't want to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony in New Mexico, that's punishable discrimination. When a homosexual does the same thing, however, it's just fine. If it weren't for double standards, leftists wouldn't have any.

skott Loc: Bama

bdamage wrote:

I've tried to splain that to skotty, but to no avail.

My point is that all should be treated equally, not discriminated against. Somehow you see that if a person decides they like your product enough to do business with you, that they are attacking your religious beliefs. If your beliefs are so limited don't do business.
I also think that the proprietor's religious beliefs argument is a sham. They don't send away liars and adulterers. Mostly only gays, as if they are more "sinny" than the other two that I mentioned. A good Christian knows that everyone sins, therefor they should turn away all business.