Can socialism be sold to the American public (Page 4): Workers pay into Medicare for 40 plus years before they use it. And it is still in financial trouble. Once you put everyone on it...

son of witless

Anigav6969 wrote:

Medicare...which is run by the Government is available to anyone after a certain age.65 for most..they personally DO NOT have to pay into it beforehand ...the government is responsible for the healthcare of at least 40% of this Country.....100% is not so outrageous.....most of the modern world has Universal healthcare

Workers pay into Medicare for 40 plus years before they use it. And it is still in financial trouble. Once you put everyone on it at younger ages you will have to steal the money from somewhere else.

kankune Loc: Iowa

Anigav6969 wrote:

I think Enuknak is a silly word.....and I have no problem with the word vagina...obviously you do....is this really what you want to talk about ?
I have been taking ACV for years...awesome stuff....a game changer so to speak

Nope sure dont.

kankune Loc: Iowa

Anigav6969 wrote:

I think Enuknak is a silly word.....and I have no problem with the word vagina...obviously you do....is this really what you want to talk about ?
I have been taking ACV for years...awesome stuff....a game changer so to speak

What's ACV?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

oldroy wrote:

Medicare was created in 1965 by the Democrat controlled Congress. We all got to pay into it from then on. I am still paying in $110 per month to it and have been a very long time. Of course, you of the left don't understand that we still pay into Medicare even though we can draw out.

Ani, I was 33 when I got to start paying into Medicare and am now 85 and still paying. Nice try lady but you can only convince others like you.

Its assessed based on our salary...
The Medicare tax rate is 1.45% of an employee's wages....Medicare is an employer and employee tax. You must withhold 1.45% from an employee's pay and contribute a matching 1.45%. Altogether, Medicare makes up 2.9% of the FICA tax rate of 15.3% as of May 7, 2018.....

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Anigav6969 wrote:

That is absolute nonsense...sorry, I don't believe you....I know too many Canadians....they would NEVER want our healthcare system...neither would all of Europe...Japan or Australia

Hell, WE don’t want our healthcare either... Had that other guy in office left it alone we wouldn’t have the mess we’re in now...He wanted everyone insured?? Some 20 million they said uninsured.. Why didn’t he put something together for those uninsured and left the rest of insured people the heck alone???

And be nice Ang~~~Kan is a nice person and should see the good side of you please..

kankune Loc: Iowa

lindajoy wrote:

Hell, WE don’t want our healthcare either... Had that other guy in office left it alone we wouldn’t have the mess we’re in now...He wanted everyone insured?? Some 20 million they said uninsured.. Why didn’t he put something together for those uninsured and left the rest of insured people the heck alone???

And be nice Ang~~~Kan is a nice person and should see the good side of you please..

Thank you Louise...😊😊😊

Idaho

Anigav6969 wrote:

That's nonsense.....I do business with people from around the world....Canadians would never swap health care systems....neither would all of Europe....or Japan...or Australia....our healthcare system is NOT the best....not even close

You obviously have never lived in the U.K. or you wouldn’t say that. I spent most of my working life there, raise two children and help bury step parent.

Services are good when you get them, but rationed and the rationing is getting worse year-on-year as the NHS funding gets tighter and tighter. My neighbour over there has been waiting for years to get on a waiting list for a hip replacement. She is in reasonably good health but for pain and limited mobility. She has finally got onto a waiting list, but no sign of a date. You never hear how long older people in the U.K. wait for treatment because the elderly there are too polite to complain and won’t seek medical attention when they should because “they don’t want to be any trouble”.

Doctors are allowed 8 minutes per patient during their clinic hours. If you need tests or treatments, it’s usually a trip to a specialist. How long you wait for an appointment with a specialist depends on whether “ you are going private” or not.

Care for chronic illnesses has limits. There is an upcoming trend for decisions to be made about the care you can get based on lifestyle considerations (like obesity or smoking). Lots of protesting by socialists but there is only so much funding to go around and rationing has to be applied on some basis.

Having employment group insurance or (horrendously expensive) private insurance gets you the same quality of health treatment, but you get to jump the queue. If a hospital stay is needed, private insurance buys you a private or semi-private room. Without it, you will be on a ward. (I was on a 20 person ward once - you wouldn’t like it.) It may also buy you treatments that won’t be allocated on NHS’s limited financial resources.

So - to recap the costs - there are bands but most employees pay 12% of their salary in national insurance and their employer pays an additional 13.8%.

If you have private group insurance, you are taxed on it as a ‘benefit’ at the same rate as your salary (unlike the US, where it counts as a tax deduction). When I was paying for private insurance, the premium was over £2,000 per year for just critical care cover.

So don’t rave about socialised medicine in the basis of “working with” international companies. If you haven’t lived in the system, you know Jack Sh_t!

Oh, and be very careful not to have a medical accident while in care, you won’t get anything like the compensation you would expect in the US.

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

Anigav6969 wrote:

Anyone is eligible for Medicare after age 65....you don't have to " individually " pay for it...it comes from taxes....WTH are YOU talking about ?

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Lets' understand what that (FICA) TAX means:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html
http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

We should have over $2.8 Trillion in the fund. The reason the Fund is going broke, is because all the Presidents from Johnson to Obama have transferred those Funds to the General. I am far from an expert, but I would at least like to have enough Funds for me to live another 10's enjoying my family and retirement.

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son of witless

Idaho wrote:

You obviously have never lived in the U.K. or you wouldn’t say that. I spent most of my working life there, raise two children and help bury step parent.

Services are good when you get them, but rationed and the rationing is getting worse year-on-year as the NHS funding gets tighter and tighter. My neighbour over there has been waiting for years to get on a waiting list for a hip replacement. She is in reasonably good health but for pain and limited mobility. She has finally got onto a waiting list, but no sign of a date. You never hear how long older people in the U.K. wait for treatment because the elderly there are too polite to complain and won’t seek medical attention when they should because “they don’t want to be any trouble”.

Doctors are allowed 8 minutes per patient during their clinic hours. If you need tests or treatments, it’s usually a trip to a specialist. How long you wait for an appointment with a specialist depends on whether “ you are going private” or not.

Care for chronic illnesses has limits. There is an upcoming trend for decisions to be made about the care you can get based on lifestyle considerations (like obesity or smoking). Lots of protesting by socialists but there is only so much funding to go around and rationing has to be applied on some basis.

Having employment group insurance or (horrendously expensive) private insurance gets you the same quality of health treatment, but you get to jump the queue. If a hospital stay is needed, private insurance buys you a private or semi-private room. Without it, you will be on a ward. (I was on a 20 person ward once - you wouldn’t like it.) It may also buy you treatments that won’t be allocated on NHS’s limited financial resources.

So - to recap the costs - there are bands but most employees pay 12% of their salary in national insurance and their employer pays an additional 13.8%.

If you have private group insurance, you are taxed on it as a ‘benefit’ at the same rate as your salary (unlike the US, where it counts as a tax deduction). When I was paying for private insurance, the premium was over £2,000 per year for just critical care cover.

So don’t rave about socialised medicine in the basis of “working with” international companies. If you haven’t lived in the system, you know Jack Sh_t!

Oh, and be very careful not to have a medical accident while in care, you won’t get anything like the compensation you would expect in the US.

You obviously have never lived in the U.K. or you ... (show quote)

There you go and give inconvenient facts.

debeda

Mom8052 wrote:

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You said it, mom!!!

Morgan

vernon wrote:

Social security, paid for by the recipients , it w... (show quote)

More misinformed information under the title of anti-Obama propaganda. Obama got money form the abuses of fraud sweeping through it, and then put it to good use, helping people with affordable health care, but no worries you will soon get your wish, as it'll roll back to the dysfunctional system it was before, with many people either without care or it coming out in higher taxes and higher insurance costs...good job

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

kankune wrote:

Hey anigav... vagina (backwords)6969....how in the world do.you expect anyone to take.you serious???

Darn it. I called Ani on that some time ago and failed to get a reply. I guess I will do it again since it has been very obvious for a long time.

Anigav6969

oldroy wrote:

Medicare was created in 1965 by the Democrat controlled Congress. We all got to pay into it from then on. I am still paying in $110 per month to it and have been a very long time. Of course, you of the left don't understand that we still pay into Medicare even though we can draw out.

Ani, I was 33 when I got to start paying into Medicare and am now 85 and still paying. Nice try lady but you can only convince others like you.

Ummm...it is paid for by taxes...correct??.....and even if you didn't pay into it...at 65 , you are eligible for Medicare ..correct ? Two very simple questions for you Ma'am

Anigav6969

son of witless wrote:

Workers pay into Medicare for 40 plus years before they use it. And it is still in financial trouble. Once you put everyone on it at younger ages you will have to steal the money from somewhere else.

It is paid for through taxes...and works much better than private care...you get more " bang for the buck " and less waste....this is the healthcare system of every civilized Country in the world....except us....and again....even if someone DID NOT " pay into " Medicare....at 65 , they are eligible for Medicare....correct ?

Anigav6969

kankune wrote:

What's ACV?

Apple Cider Vinegar....I take that amongst many things....I've always been into health....I was going to school for Nutrition...and got sidetracked....I would still like to do so...but I feel I already know the information