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Jul 17, 2018 08:16:23   #
moldyoldy
 
BigMike wrote:
I don't think she's in trouble for promoting the Russian federation however and with whoever she did it. Read her charge.


She was colluding with some high up politician, who is sweating bullets now.

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Jul 17, 2018 10:38:40   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
moldyoldy wrote:
She was colluding with some high up politician, who is sweating bullets now.


Colluding? That isn't a crime...I refer you to my previous reply.

If you think it's a good thing to falsely charge someone to get to someone else you should examine your heart to see who is living in it.

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Jul 17, 2018 10:40:39   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
moldyoldy wrote:
She was colluding with some high up politician, who is sweating bullets now.



Moldy:

Since colluding is the same as conspiring with someone. The Question: Who, What, Where, When, Why and How?

You know the basic requirements of honesty when you charge someone with conspiring.

Waiting for something more from you than just more spittle on my computer screen...

Just pathetic.

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Jul 17, 2018 11:44:38   #
moldyoldy
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Moldy:

Since colluding is the same as conspiring with someone. The Question: Who, What, Where, When, Why and How?

You know the basic requirements of honesty when you charge someone with conspiring.

Waiting for something more from you than just more spittle on my computer screen...

Just pathetic.


This is not a part of Muellers investigation, but you seem to expect to have all the facts of the case laid out before you in the same way that you expect to know all of Muellers evidence. You will have to wait.

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Jul 17, 2018 12:02:53   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
moldyoldy wrote:
This is not a part of Muellers investigation, but you seem to expect to have all the facts of the case laid out before you in the same way that you expect to know all of Muellers evidence. You will have to wait.


We knew in May about these go-nowhere indictments.

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Jul 17, 2018 12:50:38   #
moldyoldy
 
BigMike wrote:
We knew in May about these go-nowhere indictments.







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Jul 17, 2018 20:20:28   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
You're not a deep thinker, are you Moldy?

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Jul 17, 2018 21:14:23   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
moldyoldy wrote:
One of the many explosive charges in the FBI affidavit seeking an indictment against accused Russian spy and influential NRA member Maria Butina is this alarming nugget:
31. On October 4, 2016, U.S. Person 1 sent an email to an acquaintance. The email covered a number of topics. Within the email, U.S. Person 1 stated, “Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I’ve been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key POLITICAL PARTY 1 leaders through, of all conduits, the [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION].” Based on my training, expertise, and familiarity with this investigation, I believe that this email describes U.S. Person 1’s involvement in BUTINA’s efforts to establish a “back channel” communication for representatives of the Government of Russia.
We can presume that POLITICAL PARTY 1 is the Republican Party; that’s made clear from the rest of the document. So the question is, which “key leaders” of the Republican Party had secured a “VERY” private line of communication to the Kremlin, in October of 2016?
Person 1 specifically says it is “unrelated” to a presidential campaign; that doesn’t leave too many other options. While figures like Dana Rohrbacher or Scott Walker may hug the NRA tightly, neither can be considered a “key party leader.” Only House leaders, Senate leaders, or top GOP party officials would fit that bill.
According to this affidavit, an unknown number of those leaders had a secure line of communications to the Kremlin in October of 2016, immediately before the elections. For what possible purpose? Are we going to find out who?
And do government investigators already know?

Monday, Jul 16, 2018 · 2:59:42 PM PDT · Hunter
Edited to clarify that the quoted text is from an FBI affidavit against Butina filed upon her arrest, not from an ‘indictment’ against her.
One of the many explosive charges in the FBI affid... (show quote)


“Maria Butina is not an agent of the Russian Federation,” her lawyer Robert Driscoll said. “She is a Russian national in the United States on a student visa who recently graduated from American University in Washington, D.C.”

The Russian Embassy in Washington said it was aware of Butina’s arrest and demanded to speak to her.

“We are in contact with the US authorities and demand from them consular access to the Russian citizen in order to protect her legitimate rights,” the embassy tweeted.

Driscoll said Butina has cooperated with federal authorities for months, submitting to eight hours of questioning from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

“Notwithstanding her cooperative approach, over a dozen FBI agents executed a search warrant on her Washington, D.C., apartment in April,” Driscoll said. “Since that time, she has offered repeatedly, to answer any questions the Department of Justice has had. Rather than avail itself of that opportunity, the government chose to arrest Ms. Butina on Sunday without prior notice to counsel.”

The Justice Department announced Butina’s indictment hours after Trump wrapped up a press conference with Putin in Helsinki, Finland, during which the President disputed the findings of his own intelligence agencies while hinting he trusted Putin’s repeated denials of meddling in the 2016 election

The FBI served a search warrant on this woman's apartment last April where they found nothing noteworthy. Between April and her arrest she spent countless hours in support of US investigators, 8 of those hours were with a Congressional committee.

I offer this cut & paste as support to my rebuttal: I've handled more than 300 federal appeals, I know something of "Affidavits" and never have I seen the contents of one shared with the public as you suggest via your post. Butina's arrest is likely nothing more than grandstanding. I would urge you to check your source. At the very least read the rest of Butina's story.

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Jul 17, 2018 21:29:13   #
moldyoldy
 
king hall wrote:
“Maria Butina is not an agent of the Russian Federation,” her lawyer Robert Driscoll said. “She is a Russian national in the United States on a student visa who recently graduated from American University in Washington, D.C.”

The Russian Embassy in Washington said it was aware of Butina’s arrest and demanded to speak to her.

“We are in contact with the US authorities and demand from them consular access to the Russian citizen in order to protect her legitimate rights,” the embassy tweeted.

Driscoll said Butina has cooperated with federal authorities for months, submitting to eight hours of questioning from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

“Notwithstanding her cooperative approach, over a dozen FBI agents executed a search warrant on her Washington, D.C., apartment in April,” Driscoll said. “Since that time, she has offered repeatedly, to answer any questions the Department of Justice has had. Rather than avail itself of that opportunity, the government chose to arrest Ms. Butina on Sunday without prior notice to counsel.”

The Justice Department announced Butina’s indictment hours after Trump wrapped up a press conference with Putin in Helsinki, Finland, during which the President disputed the findings of his own intelligence agencies while hinting he trusted Putin’s repeated denials of meddling in the 2016 election

The FBI served a search warrant on this woman's apartment last April where they found nothing noteworthy. Between April and her arrest she spent countless hours in support of US investigators, 8 of those hours were with a Congressional committee.

I offer this cut & paste as support to my rebuttal: I've handled more than 300 federal appeals, I know something of "Affidavits" and never have I seen the contents of one shared with the public as you suggest via your post. Butina's arrest is likely nothing more than grandstanding. I would urge you to check your source. At the very least read the rest of Butina's story.
“Maria Butina is not an agent of the Russian Feder... (show quote)


The judge unsealed the affidavit and there is fire under all that smoke that will bring down a congressman.

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Jul 17, 2018 21:36:25   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The judge unsealed the affidavit and there is fire under all that smoke that will bring down a congressman.


Who is that congressman which will be pulled down moldy? Cat got your keyboard again?

Remember: Who, What, Where, Why, When, How?

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Jul 18, 2018 01:08:30   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Who is that congressman which will be pulled down moldy? Cat got your keyboard again?

Remember: Who, What, Where, Why, When, How?


Crickets?

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Jul 18, 2018 04:40:48   #
moldyoldy
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Who is that congressman which will be pulled down moldy? Cat got your keyboard again?

Remember: Who, What, Where, Why, When, How?


You want to know the end of the book when you are in the middle

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Jul 18, 2018 07:10:10   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You want to know the end of the book when you are in the middle



No, we want you to stop telling us the end of the story when you haven't finished reading the preface.

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Jul 18, 2018 07:28:59   #
moldyoldy
 
pafret wrote:
No, we want you to stop telling us the end of the story when you haven't finished reading the preface.


It bothers you to think your party is going down? We put up with nine Bengazi investigations, So, you might be a little delusional.

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Jul 18, 2018 08:35:12   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It bothers you to think your party is going down? We put up with nine Bengazi investigations, So, you might be a little delusional.


I would say that the next election is going to send you a message that the Democratic party has gone out of business. You might as well rename yourselves the Communist party because that is what you are now.

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