Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

So we can assume that you own no power tools and you get where you need to go on a bicycle? The bottom line is that if I'm protecting myself or my family the thought of making it "sporting" isn't part of the equation.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

2A doesn't say "If Peter says you need them".

2A isn't absolute, no rights are. But my rights aren't determined by what you think I need.

PeterS

No I get where I need in a car. But is can't do 200 miles an hour and I have to be trained, experienced, and licensed to drive it. Plus it is regulated up the ass and if I've done something wrong I can be traced in a second by the cops! You guys are putting a sports cars in the hands of people who can't even drive. And have you seen what a pump shotgun loaded with buckshot can do to the human body? I've seen what it does and it ain't pretty. The point is, you can protect yourself and your family with any number of guns that aren't semi-automatics and deadly in the hands of nut jobs wanting to kill our children.

PeterS

Your right to own a gun can't overlap someone else's right to go to school and come back unharmed. Right now the right to feel safe from harm of over 300 million people are being trampled solely so you can have the latest in killing tools at your beckon call. Well, don't I have a right to go to the store and not have to fear someone with a semi-automatic weapon?Besides, you are free to own a machine gun aren't you? We can always make regulations on semi-autos like they are with machine guns or perhaps a little tougher and your rights will remain in tact so will that be okay. I don't hear you putzes whining because you don't have machine guns. Well, in a few years you won't be whining that you don't have a semi-automatic rifle's either--except by those who are willing to pay the fees and comply with all the mountains of regulations. So in the end I will be happy and you will be happy, correct!

Rarewein

Okay next house hold chemicals and pressure cooker should not be in the hands of American. Listen, the semi auto fire arm has been around for almost 200 years. If somebody one had their minds set on violence they will achieve their goal utilizing everything from a rental truck to a pressure cooker and a cell phone. Regulation being as it is in my home State of NJ and my current State of MN, there are many check and balances. Training such as this offer are a good start but like driving yes you need practice. I have seen what an inexperienced driver has caused and what an indoor walking through traffic playing Pokemon. So what do we draw the line? Hmm tough question. But I do not believe we all need to be babysat but or government and told that items can be dangerous if miss handled or the uneducated on topics like their use and capabilities tell me that I can not use them because they scare them. I am trained and practice weekly. I have a conceal carry. I am back ground checked every year. Do not tell me what I should carry to suit your preference. That it's tyrannical when you decide for my Liberties as do to your personal feelings.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

OK PeterS - we get it. Like most gun control proponents, you believe we live in a world where if the government decrees it the people will obey. I think the good folks in cities with very strict gun laws (Chicago?) might call you naive. In theory if no one carries a semi-auto the world is a better place. Of course in that world the criminals wouldn't think of breaking the law - wait then they'd be law-abiding citizens...Hmmm. So I can agree with your theory but unless you've passed on the red pill you need to agree that the world you envision hasn't existed in...oh...just about forever.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

My didn't to own a gun overlaps nothing.

Fascists always find a reason to sent rights to citizens. Yours has been used before.

Rarewein

wait a minute you are declaring that were fascist because we're standing on a right that has been granted via our constitution. Naive was a really gentle word used before. I think you need to truly learn the term fascist. One that is not a modern corrected definition. It has been said throughout modern history of the United States the only way fascism will come to the United States is through the guise of liberal democratic politics.

Rarewein

Here I hope you out I'll copy the definition from the Encyclopedia Britannica:

Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.

Rarewein

So let me just put this out there cultural liberalism, contempt for electoral democracy. It seems about right congratulations you're a fascist. Learn the term before you start using it as a slander

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

If you are replying to me I mis-typed.

Corrected:

My right to own a gun overlaps nothing.

Fascists always find a reason to remove rights from citizens. Yours has been used before

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Use "quote reply" and people will know who you are talking to.

Rarewein

Nope.. our friends here is all.. Dave I see you are a moderate in your responses and debate. Others not so much.

PeterS

No, we live in a democracy where the majority rules and the more semi-autos are used for mass murder the tighter the noose around their necked will be. If you don't like it than do everything possible to keep them out of the hands of the types of nut jobs who use them for mass murder. If you aren't going to do that then you deserve what you are eventually going to get...

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

Sorry...i thought I was talking to an American who would know that we live in a Republic. And people who believe that the only thing that will protect them is stiffer laws are probably not the majority because if they are we WILL get what we deserve and neither of us is going to like it.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

First of all, your anti-gun stance is disingenuous. If it were really based on facts, even medical malpractice would be higher on your list than gun control, since about four times more people are killed by stupid doctors than are are killed by guns (about 25,000 by guns, including suicides, versus 100, 000 per year by idiot doctors). You licensed and well trained drivers in automobiles kill more people, about 35,000 per year, than guns, including gun suicides, and you whacko leftists aren't looking to outlaw them, or more severely restrict and tax them, are you?

In real life, you are more likely to die from heart disease, cancer, non automobile accident, chronic lung disease, stroke, Alzheimer's, influenza, pneumonia, diabetes, poisioning/drug overdose, auto accident, falling, alcohol, medical error/negligence, or simply killing yourself on purpose/suicide, than you are to die at the hand of someone with a gun. So I call "Bravo Sierra" on your silly anti-gun rhetoric.

In fact, the truth is that gun control isn't about guns, it is about control. It is that you lying leftists want a government that treats you like children/slaves, and guns are the only thing standing in the way of that totalitarian government being your master. You would rather be a slave living in the free slave house, with the master giving you free food, free medical care and telling what time to work and exactly what to do, .... than being completely free but having to feed, house, and take care of yourself through work and the sweat of your brow.

In short, you liberals are willing to give up your freedom to gain security, but as has been said, soon will find that you have actually lost both.