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Jun 3, 2018 21:49:36   #
mactheknife
 
Geo wrote:
SAY GOODBYE TO A NAFTA DEAL? ... WAPO'S DAMIAN PALETTA: "Trudeau says NAFTA talks broke down after Pence made ultimatum": "Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said months of intense negotiations between his country, the United States and Mexico imploded Tuesday when Vice President Pence demanded that any deal expire automatically in five years.

"Trudeau said he was prepared to travel to Washington this week to try to finalize a rework of the North American Free Trade Agreement, but Pence, in the phone call, said a meeting would occur only if the 'sunset' provision was agreed to in advance.

"'I had to highlight that there was no possibility of any Canadian prime minister signing a NAFTA deal that included a five-year sunset clause, and obviously the visit didn't happen,' Trudeau said Thursday. ... Trudeau said Thursday that he felt the United States, Mexico and Canada were on the verge of a renegotiated NAFTA that he described as a 'win, win, win' before the talks stalled after the Pence phone call." https://wapo.st/2J7uOKL

THROWDOWN ... CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU on the tariffs, in a speech yesterday: "Let me be clear: These tariffs are totally unacceptable. For 150 years, Canada has been America's most steadfast ally. Canadians have served alongside Americans in two world wars and in Korea. From the beaches of Normandy to the mountains of Afghanistan, we have fought and died together.

"Canadian personnel are serving alongside Americans at this very moment. We are partners in NORAD, NATO, and around the world. We came to America's aid after 9/11 - as Americans have come to our aid in the past. We are fighting together against Daesh in Northern Iraq.

"The numbers are clear: The United States has a $2 billion U.S. dollars surplus in steel trade with Canada - and Canada buys more American steel than any other country in the world, half of U.S. steel exports. Canada is a secure supplier of aluminum and steel to the U.S. defense industry, putting aluminum in American planes and steel in American tanks. That Canada could be considered a national security threat to the United States is inconceivable. ...

"In closing, I want to be very clear about one thing: Americans remain our partners, friends, and allies. This is not about the American people. We have to believe that at some point their common sense will prevail. But we see no sign of that in this action today by the U.S. administration."


CUE THE WEST WING PALACE INTRIGUE: BEN WHITE, ANDREW RESTUCCIA and NANCY COOK: "War inside Trump trade team triggers global angst": "Senior administration officials profess privately to not knowing exactly what Trump will ultimately decide to do on trade at any given moment. The uncertainty has led the president's advisers to compete for his attention in a bid to sway him, leading to nasty behind-the-scenes fights that are increasingly bursting into public view.

"The week began with a statement that the administration would move ahead with trade levies on China, just days after Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said a trade war with the world's second-largest economy was 'on hold.' Trump's senior trade adviser Peter Navarro publicly rebuked Mnuchin's statement on Wednesday, calling it an 'unfortunate sound bite.'

"One senior administration official said privately this week that Navarro's public scolding of the Treasury secretary was a 'firing-level offense' but held out no hope that Trump would take any action." https://politi.co/2swjWis

JUST SAYING: Typically a White House communications director would help implement a strategy for communicating the administration's position on major policy initiatives. It's been three months since Hope Hicks departed the White House and seemingly no process has been put in place to permanently fill her slot.

-- AND THE REACTION ON THE HILL AIN'T SO GREAT EITHER ... BURGESS EVERETT: "Republicans gobsmacked by Trump's tariffs: GOP lawmakers thought the president was going to hit China — not key U.S. allies": "Republicans are bitterly protesting the Trump administration's decision to impose sweeping tariffs on U.S. allies — alarmed that the White House ignored their frenzied lobbying campaign and afraid that the party could suffer at the polls in November. ... Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) called it 'bad news' and predicted imminent retaliation from the key U.S. allies.

"Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said there is 'mounting evidence that these tariffs will harm Americans.' And Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) warned that similar policies 90 years ago sparked the Great Depression. 'This is dumb. Europe, Canada, and Mexico are not China, and you don't treat allies the same way you treat opponents,' Sasse said. '"Make America Great Again" shouldn't mean "Make America 1929 Again."' https://politi.co/2su3lM4

ALL OF THIS IS IN ADDITION to the fact that it was looking extraordinarily unlikely that Congress would ratify a new NAFTA this year anyway.
SAY GOODBYE TO A NAFTA DEAL? ... WAPO'S DAMIAN PAL... (show quote)


The tariffs imposed by our trading partners have always been a problem and the fault does not lie with us. Countries like China, Germany, Korea, and Japan have been dumping their goods on the US market for years much of it as a legacy of our trying to rebuild the economies of Germany, Japan, and Korea after WW II and the Korean War. The Chines saw these countries get away with it and decided to do the same thing. I know, because I have studied the problem in depth. Our previous politicians were so weak-kneed that they simply kicked the can down the road even though our industries were being decimated (motorcycles, computers, TV, VCRs, etc). Do you know where wealthy Chinese people go to by luxury Chinese good (as told to me by several of them)? Not to Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan, or anywhere else in China, but they travel to Los Angeles because the prices are so much cheaper. In the 1980s I traveled a lot to Japan on business and I would price Japanese goods in the US with the same goods in Japan. The goods were always much cheaper in the US; a classic symptom of dumping. The WTO rules allows the injured party (us) to impose tariffs but our politicians rarely did. I would write to my Congressperson and Senators to bring their attention to the problem but not once did I receive a reply, as I recall. The strategy was clear; these countries destroyed selected industries by pricing their goods at below what the same goods could be produced in the US and the companies made their profits by socking it to the Japanese or Korean consumer. Once our industries were destroyed, guess what? They increased the prices. President Trump is doing exact the right thing as these countries (and others) have grown fat and happy on our wealth and technical ingenuity. No wonder they are lobbying and complaining; they can see that this "good thing" that they have enjoyed for decades is about to end with the forced introduction of "fair trade". I fully support the President in this endeavor but I would base it more on reciprocity, which I think would be easier to sell. Thus, all US goods sent to the EU are hit with a VAT that ranges from 17 % to 27 %. Reciprocity would require us to impose the same tariff on EU goods entering the US. That would be "fair".

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May 14, 2019 20:30:27   #
Geo
 
Farmer says there is a rise in suicides after tariffs CNN Minnesota soybean farmer Bill Gordon could lose $65,000 because of President Trump's tariffs on China. Gordon told CNN's Erin Burnett that rural communities are already feeling the effects from the tariffs. Published at: 4:50 PM, Mon May 13 2019.

The only one Trump can work with.



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