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The debate is over: Of course Trump obstructed justice
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Jun 2, 2018 12:35:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
When I was younger nobody could have convinced me that hunting rocks is exciting..but it didn't take long and now I'm hooked..the Roxy Ann petrified wood is found only around the Medford area..S.W. Ore... we found a partial standing tree of it..the roots were crystallized.. pretty awesome sight..


Mine was purely accidental in finding soo many agates I had to keep going back... Got pretty good at judging the inside hollow space by weight.... The crystals always soooo unique..

I would love to see your petrified wood!!!! I am sure it is spectacular.....

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Jun 2, 2018 13:18:46   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
Mine was purely accidental in finding soo many agates I had to keep going back... Got pretty good at judging the inside hollow space by weight.... The crystals always soooo unique..

I would love to see your petrified wood!!!! I am sure it is spectacular.....


Most everything is in the huge town, Trail Ore, I'm going to bring some over to Lapine soon....maybe then I could put some pictures up..

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Jun 2, 2018 14:11:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
Most everything is in the huge town, Trail Ore, I'm going to bring some over to Lapine soon....maybe then I could put some pictures up..


I’ll look forward to it!!! Thank You...

Do you split your own Geodes?? I did but not as much... The agates had me.... lolol

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Jun 2, 2018 14:18:51   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
I’ll look forward to it!!! Thank You...

Do you split your own Geodes?? I did but not as much... The agates had me.... lolol


Most of the geodes are cut by us..if it's too big we go to the Roxy Ann Gem and Rock Museum.. we're members and pay pennies to use their big water saws...

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Jun 2, 2018 14:55:26   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
[quote=working class stiff]I think you are mistaken about Dems wanting Trump gone, except by election.

That is the most idiot staement ever. They want Trump out by hook or crook and are and have been trying everything legal (to no avail) and illegal to get him out. Complicit with left stream media with the constant (95%) negitave press.

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Jun 2, 2018 14:59:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
Most of the geodes are cut by us..if it's too big we go to the Roxy Ann Gem and Rock Museum.. we're members and pay pennies to use their big water saws...


Nice!!!! Very nice!!!
Byron, when I say split I mean literally!! Hammer and screw driver, that was as sophisticated as I got with the geodes..You can just imagine the split!!! But I sure had fun learning about them, besides they are good positive energy...

Now its Tiffany style stained glas wisteria lamps I make... ...

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Jun 2, 2018 15:00:35   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
[quote=youngwilliam]
working class stiff wrote:
I think you are mistaken about Dems wanting Trump gone, except by election.

That is the most idiot staement ever. They want Trump out by hook or crook and are and have been trying everything legal (to no avail) and illegal to get him out. Complicit with left stream media with the constant (95%) negitave press.


Well said!!!

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Jun 2, 2018 15:09:34   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
Nice!!!! Very nice!!!
Byron, when I say split I mean literally!! Hammer and screw driver, that was as sophisticated as I got with the geodes..You can just imagine the split!!! But I sure had fun learning about them, besides they are good positive energy...

Now its Tiffany style stained glas wisteria lamps I make... ...
Nice!!!! Very nice!!! img src="https://static.on... (show quote)



I've never tried to split one that way..Do you sell your lamps?

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Jun 2, 2018 15:30:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
I've never tried to split one that way..Do you sell your lamps?


When I first started making them just a few at the art shows.. Problem is you never get what you put into them.. I would search antique bases to use, usually 6ft. Standing bronze or brass .. The better quality your glass the better the finished product.. Use a gold fleck ruby red glass that brings the hues to sparkle because of the gold fleck in it as an example.. More expensive though.. Same with your satin whites or hunter green glass.. Blue is a given... poor quality glass is dull and does not show the true colors used..

Now I just make them.. I made one 2500 pieces of glass cut into the best westoria lamp I ever made.. Took me a year to make.. My sister got it for Christmas😃..The dang brat.. She had been telling me it better be her Christmas present.. Sooooo .....

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Jun 2, 2018 15:44:12   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lindajoy wrote:
Mine was purely accidental in finding soo many agates I had to keep going back... Got pretty good at judging the inside hollow space by weight.... The crystals always soooo unique..

I would love to see your petrified wood!!!! I am sure it is spectacular.....

Ehhhhhhhh

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Jun 2, 2018 15:46:47   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lindajoy wrote:
When I first started making them just a few at the art shows.. Problem is you never get what you put into them.. I would search antique bases to use, usually 6ft. Standing bronze or brass .. The better quality your glass the better the finished product.. Use a gold fleck ruby red glass that brings the hues to sparkle because of the gold fleck in it as an example.. More expensive though.. Same with your satin whites or hunter green glass.. Blue is a given... poor quality glass is dull and does not show the true colors used..

Now I just make them.. I made one 2500 pieces of glass cut into the best westoria lamp I ever made.. Took me a year to make.. My sister got it for Christmas😃..The dang brat.. She had been telling me it better be her Christmas present.. Sooooo .....
When I first started making them just a few at the... (show quote)


I hope she is a very good sister.

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Jun 2, 2018 15:57:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
alabuck wrote:
The debate is over: Of course Trump obstructed justice

By Paul Waldman
May 30 at 1:34 PM
Washington Post

“You’ve probably had a bad boss or two, but have you ever had a boss who repeatedly told the entire world he wished he had never hired you? That’s the position Attorney General Jeff Sessions is in, and the reason is simple: By recusing himself from the investigation into the Russia scandal, he has rendered himself unable to aid President Trump in obstructing justice.

“I say that because we may be thinking of the question of whether Trump has in fact obstructed justice in too narrow a way. If we’re asking “Will Trump be indicted for, and convicted of, this crime?” then the answer is probably no. While scholars are not united on this question, many believe that a sitting president can’t be indicted, and it’s highly unlikely that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III will issue an indictment for Trump, no matter what the investigation produces.

“The better question is: What has Trump done to obstruct this investigation? The answer to that question is that he has done an extraordinary amount.

“Let’s begin with this article in today’s New York Times from Michael S. Schmidt and Julie Hirschfeld Davis, which discusses a meeting Sessions and Trump had in March 2017, after Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation on the advice of Justice Department ethics officials. That step was completely appropriate. Not only was Sessions a high-ranking member of the Trump campaign, which was being investigated, he also misled Congress about his contacts with Russian officials. Here’s what happened in that meeting:
When they met, Mr. Trump was ready to talk — but not about the travel ban. His grievance was with Mr. Sessions: The president objected to his decision to recuse himself from the Russia investigation. Mr. Trump, who had told aides that he needed a loyalist overseeing the inquiry, berated Mr. Sessions and told him he should reverse his decision, an unusual and potentially inappropriate request. Mr. Sessions refused.

“This left Trump enraged, and he has perseverated on it ever since, periodically proclaiming publicly that he would never have hired Sessions if he knew he would recuse himself from this investigation. (He did it again this morning.)

“Now let me point to one more part of this story:
When Mr. Trump learned of the recusal, he asked advisers whether the decision could be reversed, according to people briefed on the matter. Told no, Mr. Trump argued that Eric H. Holder Jr., President Barack Obama’s first attorney general, would never have recused himself from a case that threatened to tarnish Mr. Obama. The president said he expected the same loyalty from Mr. Sessions.

“We’ve had reports to this effect before. According to a January New York Times story, when Sessions decided to recuse himself, “the president erupted in anger in front of numerous White House officials, saying he needed his attorney general to protect him.”

“We can’t mistake this for anything other than what it is. Think about it this way: What exactly is it that Trump wanted Sessions to do that Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, who is currently overseeing the investigation, couldn’t do or has not done? The answer is clear. Trump is angry that Sessions recused himself because he expects HIS attorney general to quash any investigation into his own misconduct and that of his campaign. There is simply no legitimate reason for him to be displeased with Sessions’s recusal.

“Imagine what a normal president would say in this situation. He’d say, “It doesn’t matter whether the special counsel’s investigation is overseen by the attorney general or the deputy attorney general. Once the investigation is completed and all the facts are laid out, it will be clear that I’m innocent.” BUT, Trumpet isn’t normal, in any sense of the word.

“Trump, on the other hand, is livid that his attorney general is not there to protect him from the special counsel. He’s not even trying to hide the fact that he would rather have a crony in place who would shut the whole thing down.

“We have to understand this in the context of the many actions Trump has taken to hinder and obstruct the investigation into the Russia scandal:
* According to former FBI director James B. Comey’s sworn testimony and contemporaneous notes, at the end of an Oval Office meeting the day after he fired national security adviser Michael Flynn, Trump ordered everyone else from the room, then asked Comey to lay off the investigation of Flynn, saying “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.” Flynn has since pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and is cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
* “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Trump reportedly told the Russian ambassador and foreign minister in an Oval Office visit. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
* The next day, Trump admitted on national television that, “when I decided to just do it [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said ‘you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.'”
* Trump made separate requests to Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and National Security Agency Director Michael S. Rogers to make public statements proclaiming that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They both refused.
* Trump made separate requests to Sen. Richard Burr, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; Sen. Roy Blunt, another member of the committee; and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to end the committee’s investigation of the Russia scandal.
* When news broke in June 2017 that a year earlier Trump’s son, son-in-law and campaign chairman had met in Trump Tower with a group of Russians whom they hoped were in possession of dirt on Hillary Clinton obtained by the Russian government, President Trump personally dictated a misleading statement to be released to the press, claiming falsely that the meeting had nothing to do with the campaign but was just about the adoption of Russian orphans.

“We can speculate on whether a jury would look at this pattern of behavior (and whatever else he may have done that hasn’t yet come to light) and find Trump guilty of obstruction of justice. But there’s no question that Trump has repeatedly taken completely inappropriate actions that have no purpose other than to hinder the Russia investigation.

“By his own admission, he fired the FBI director to stop the investigation. He enlisted other government officials in an attempt to hinder it. He has said both privately and publicly that he expects his attorney general to protect him from that investigation — not to do his job, not to serve the interests of justice, not to strictly adhere to the law and the department’s ethical codes, but to protect Trump.

“There is simply no argument left over whether Trump obstructed justice. HE DID! The only things left to determine are how far that effort went and what we’re going to do about it.“

For those of you who still want to deny that Trumpet did anything wrong, or that his campaign staff did anything wrong, and that the Mueller investigation hasn’t found anything and is a waste of time and money, then, please, tell me why there have been 5 “guilty” pleas made and 13 (at last count) indictments let, if “nothing” has been found?

Unlike the GOPTPers who have spent YEARS and around $10 MILLION of taxpayer’s monies, going after HRC, in their multiple investigations into her goings-on, with NOTHING found to be indicted for, Mueller has produced far more results in his 1 year of investigating than all the years your guys spent going after HRC. And, he’s spent far less.
The debate is over: Of course Trump obstructed jus... (show quote)


I don't think anyone but a Trump hater would see Trump's wishing an investigation would go away is in any way obstruction. When he fired Comey, what in the investigation was halted or stopped? I'm not sure one can obstruct an investigation anyway. But hey, this is from the Washington Post now isn't it??

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Jun 2, 2018 16:00:54   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
When I first started making them just a few at the art shows.. Problem is you never get what you put into them.. I would search antique bases to use, usually 6ft. Standing bronze or brass .. The better quality your glass the better the finished product.. Use a gold fleck ruby red glass that brings the hues to sparkle because of the gold fleck in it as an example.. More expensive though.. Same with your satin whites or hunter green glass.. Blue is a given... poor quality glass is dull and does not show the true colors used..

Now I just make them.. I made one 2500 pieces of glass cut into the best westoria lamp I ever made.. Took me a year to make.. My sister got it for Christmas😃..The dang brat.. She had been telling me it better be her Christmas present.. Sooooo .....
When I first started making them just a few at the... (show quote)


Sounds beautiful..

Your sister is a lucky lady in more ways than one..

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Jun 2, 2018 16:08:02   #
JoyV
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I don't think anyone but a Trump hater would see Trump's wishing an investigation would go away is in any way obstruction. When he fired Comey, what in the investigation was halted or stopped? I'm not sure one can obstruct an investigation anyway. But hey, this is from the Washington Post now isn't it??


Yes an investigation can be obstructed when subpoenaed evidence is either refused to be turned over or destroyed. You know, with bleach bit or hammers. And if you are an elite, especially NWO, you can do so and still be said to not show intent of wrongdoing.

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Jun 2, 2018 16:19:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JoyV wrote:
Yes an investigation can be obstructed when subpoenaed evidence is either refused to be turned over or destroyed. You know, with bleach bit or hammers. And if you are an elite, especially NWO, you can do so and still be said to not show intent of wrongdoing.


I stand corrected.

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