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I dont understand what is the big deal about 2020 US Census' Citizenship question???
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May 25, 2018 10:21:31   #
Babsan
 
proud republican wrote:
They are asking if you are a citizen..So what is the deal with you Democrats screaming ARMAGEDDON????....You have to be a citizen to vote, so we have to know who can vote and who cant???I have an idea why Democrats are so crazy about it???...Because you guys need illegals to vote for you,since without it you will lose all the time!!!!...Its that simple!!!You guys are CHEATERS!!!!!

Democrats depend on Illegal voters criminal voters and DEAD voters so they don't care about our country.Only voters for the Crime Syndicate Democrat party is important,screw America and it's laws

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May 25, 2018 10:50:59   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
Not voter fraud... Illegal voting, there is a difference..


Followed your link... total of 4 people mentioned.. Gads.. that is a vital problem....

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/31/598458914/texas-woman-sentenced-to-5-years-for-illegal-voting


Mason, 43, is a convicted felon. She was previously convicted for committing tax fraud for clients through her tax preparation business.

And by casting a ballot – even a provisional one — in the general election, she had broken a state law that prohibited residents from voting until their sentences have been fully served. That includes parole, probation or supervision.

Mason had been on a supervised release after spending three years in prison. For a time, she was even working for the state of Texas, St. John says.


On Wednesday, she was sentenced to five years for voting illegally. She contends that she was never informed of the state's voting restrictions on felons.
Not voter fraud... Illegal voting, there is a diff... (show quote)
Hahahaha...

Illegal voting doesn't count?

You are so freaking desperate.

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May 25, 2018 11:00:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Hahahaha...

Illegal voting doesn't count?

You are so freaking desperate.




You are so far gone when you have not points at all.. Only bluster and fussing..

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May 25, 2018 11:02:01   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Just registered to join the discussion after lurking for some time. PeterS - when I read your comments I can't understand why your patriotic looking avatar isn't flipping us all the bird. Your unfettered hate for conservatives makes it difficult to examine your arguments dispassionately. As for the topic at hand, if you look at the constitution, the purpose of the census is to indeed get a count of all the people living within our borders. However, voting is for citizens only. What is wrong with using a tool like the census to help determine who has a right to vote and who does not. It makes a huge amount of economic sense to piggyback onto something we are already paying to have done rather than creating yet another tax dollar sucking organism to accomplish the same thing. Now, do people who shouldn't vote (deceased, illegals, non-residents, etc.) do so? Absolutely! And IMHO it's the reason Trump didn't win by an even larger margin in a number of states.

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May 25, 2018 11:04:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
woodguru wrote:
So we need to make sure with a hard ballot system everywhere, stop election fraud. There are a lot of states that say keep your hands off of our electronic system that can't be checked or verified. They refuse to upgrade to tamper proof systems.



I have often wondered about that.. If the election process is so violated by the democrats, why the right wing is never willing to try solutions..

they love voter obstruction.. the cry and tear clothing when those laws are unconstitutional for one reason or an other..

I am doing phone work this year to get out the vote.. a vote is our ultimate solution to this embarrassment of this administration..

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May 25, 2018 11:10:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Just registered to join the discussion after lurking for some time. PeterS - when I read your comments I can't understand why your patriotic looking avatar isn't flipping us all the bird. Your unfettered hate for conservatives makes it difficult to examine your arguments dispassionately. As for the topic at hand, if you look at the constitution, the purpose of the census is to indeed get a count of all the people living within our borders. However, voting is for citizens only. What is wrong with using a tool like the census to help determine who has a right to vote and who does not. It makes a huge amount of economic sense to piggyback onto something we are already paying to have done rather than creating yet another tax dollar sucking organism to accomplish the same thing. Now, do people who shouldn't vote (deceased, illegals, non-residents, etc.) do so? Absolutely! And IMHO it's the reason Trump didn't win by an even larger margin in a number of states.
Just registered to join the discussion after lurki... (show quote)




Welcome to OPP.. You have a great deal of company for your erroneous thoughts.. LOL

As you say it, we would not be have a problem with it..

But the reason trump and clan wants this on the census is that it will intimidate legal citizens to not fill out the forms due to fear of getting others who are not citizens into trouble.

that in turn will reduce the number of people shown in the district and therefore limit the number or representatives in congress.

This was a result of the same thought process that created redmap which was used so effectively in gerrymandering..

Once more, welcome..



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May 25, 2018 11:14:53   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
You are so far gone when you have not points at all.. Only bluster and fussing..


Says the guy that wants Electoral College votes, Representatives to the House or Reps, and federal welfare funding taken from American citizens and given to illegal aliens.

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May 25, 2018 11:34:25   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Thanks for the welcome Permafrost. Do I believe your reasoning as to why conservatives want that question on the census? To some extent I do. There are definitely people who think that way. But are you saying that we should not make efforts to identify and remove people who are in the US illegally?

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May 25, 2018 11:38:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Says the guy that wants Electoral College votes, Representatives to the House or Reps, and federal welfare funding taken from American citizens and given to illegal aliens.




Daave,

No, I have never said anything like that.. I am all for getting rid of Illegal aliens who are guilty of that misdemeanor of entering our nation with out proper paper..

But not for extending that removal to children and the harassment of people who are real Americans..

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May 25, 2018 11:38:42   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
And is it right for California to do what it can to become a magnet for undocumented immigrants in order to exert undue influence on the US as a whole? I'm guessing, but I don't think it's what the founding fathers had in mind.

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May 25, 2018 11:39:48   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Thanks for the welcome Permafrost. Do I believe your reasoning as to why conservatives want that question on the census? To some extent I do. There are definitely people who think that way. But are you saying that we should not make efforts to identify and remove people who are in the US illegally?




I do tend to be over inclusive..

i also support removing Illegals..

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May 25, 2018 12:06:16   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
proud republican wrote:
They are asking if you are a citizen..So what is the deal with you Democrats screaming ARMAGEDDON????....You have to be a citizen to vote, so we have to know who can vote and who cant???I have an idea why Democrats are so crazy about it???...Because you guys need illegals to vote for you,since without it you will lose all the time!!!!...Its that simple!!!You guys are CHEATERS!!!!!


Proud Republican: They are essentially domestic terrorist as well!

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May 25, 2018 12:16:04   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
Because the census has nothing to do with citizenship and is a count of those who reside within our boarders. The only reason you cons want to change it is because you want to strike fear into illegal immigrants and nothing more. I hate to tell you but whether you count illegals or not they will still be here and still doing all the things you hate them for. Oh, and if we get illegals to vote for us how is it Trump is president, and if you listen to him, by a landslide. The proof that illegals don't vote is that Trump is president and you people hold the majority in the house and senate...
Because the census has nothing to do with citizens... (show quote)

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There are many purposes for the census. Here they are:
1. One is to know how many human beings are presently living in the United States whether they are citizens, illegals, criminals, terrorists Muslims or not.

2. The second is to know how many people living in the United States who are US citizens.

3. The third is how many people living in the United States who are illegal aliens.

4. The fourth is knowing how many people living in the United States according to their race. Like Whites, Blacks, American Indians, Asians,Muslim terrorists or not.

5. The fifth is how many are males and how many are females, or how many are gays/lesbians.

These are very important categories that the Census Bureau wants to obtain so that the government would be able to provide the proper services needed or proper discipline needed by these types of people.

Democrats, progressives, and liberals don't want to be identified or counted because they are hiding as criminals, using the criminal illegal aliens to vote for them, the MS13 as their armies to kill for them, the Mexican drug dealers to raise money for the democrats' campaign election.

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May 25, 2018 12:19:41   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PeterS wrote:
Because the census has nothing to do with citizenship and is a count of those who reside within our boarders. The only reason you cons want to change it is because you want to strike fear into illegal immigrants and nothing more. I hate to tell you but whether you count illegals or not they will still be here and still doing all the things you hate them for. Oh, and if we get illegals to vote for us how is it Trump is president, and if you listen to him, by a landslide. The proof that illegals don't vote is that Trump is president and you people hold the majority in the house and senate...
Because the census has nothing to do with citizens... (show quote)


peter boy: No! No! You as well as others know the domestic terrorist group known as the libtard democrat party takes these counts and obstruct them into political party gain, and disinformation! Why shouldn't we categorize our demographics? It is extremely important information that the government needs to budget National needs in the interest of the American citizen....The Census is for demographics,not the democrat party and illegal alien parasites eating up our GNP! I'm also concerned about how much you are eating up the National Treasury as well?

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May 25, 2018 12:21:18   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PeterS wrote:
How can you hold the midterms if between 12 and 22 millions illegals are at the voting booth? Stuart Mill once said: I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. In reading your posts I am reminded of that...


peter boy: After reading this recent post of yours.....I am reminded of your extreme ineptness!

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