archie bunker Loc: Texas

That's what I'm talking about!
My kids were taught to never touch a gun without permission.
One time my son got excited, and grabbed an old shotgun from the gun rack that was just there for decoration since it wouldn't fire. He wanted to show it to his uncle, but he screwed up. I stripped the hide from his backside with a leather belt, and he never did it again.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

What suggestions do you have?

moldyoldy

I don't claim to be qualified to make these decisions, I just know that doing nothing is not working, and the frequency of this is increasing. I think everyone wants a solution, so we should not dig in our heels and refuse to move from any one position. It will take compromise, you know like politics used to be.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I don't disagree, but knee jerk reactions against responsible gun owners, the NRA, and anyone who is pro 2nd amendment everytime something like this happens causes a lot of digging in of heels in my opinion. At least it does with me. Me, nor any of my guns have never killed anyone. The only animals I kill anymore are maybe 1/2 dozen quail for my wife, and I to eat, or maybe feral hogs at my brother's ranch. I don't like being labeled as an advocate of wholesale slaughter because of a few mechanical devices that I have legally purchased with my own hard earned money, and happen to enjoy.
If you want honest discussion, and compromise, this type of blanket labeling needs to stop.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

That's a No-Go solution. Trigger locks? I'd really hate to have to open a safe and unlock a trigger in a situation where seconds count.

Guns, availability of guns, and access to guns IS NOT the problem. The growing lack of an absolute moral reference in our society is the problem. Far too many people have no moral compass, they have a moral clock, one they can set to point at any reference they want. And if something comes up that gets in their way, they can reset it to lead somewhere else.

One might compare an absolute moral reference with the North Star. Since man discovered the "Star that does not dance in the sky", Polaris has been an absolute navigational reference for mariners, travelers, and navigators for centuries. Its fixed position in the sky provides an absolute reference for all earthly navigation.

Same with an absolute moral reference. It is no wonder that youngsters now days are lost, they have no guiding moral star, no fixed reference by which they can chart a true course. They are sailing in uncharted waters.

Any body hear Texas Lt Governor Patrick's comments about a moral reference.

Bottom line: the atrocious crime of killing fellow students is merely the effects of a much deeper cause. It is a symptom of a disease, not the disease itself.

The cure is to heal the human spirit.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

I hit you with the ? first.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Why did you ask if you already had the answer, or had it close at hand?

itsmyjob

Well I have 8 kids that all know about guns. I personally think I see some pretty stupid people wanting to control every aspect of my life. I'll let you know right now I will never have any kind of trigger lock on any of my guns. Oh hell let what am I saying I don't have any guns.

woodguru

Stop it, republicans and the NRA have fought every gun law including common sense ones...democrats fault is BS

woodguru

Every parent who has a kid get shot or shoot someone else thinks exactly the same thing, until the day their kid is showing their dad's gun to other kids...

My dad's guns that I wasn't supposed to touch were my favorite thing, growing up three incidents happened where kids were showing their dad's guns to other kids when one of them got killed by said gun.

California laws concerning gun security dramatically decreased accidental deaths such as that. So if forcing parents to adequately secure their guns is controlling every aspect of your life, so be it, suck it up, because kids are taking unsecured guns and shooting other people's kids with your guns. These parents should be prosecuted once laws are in place requiring full responsibility.

woodguru

It's really not that big a deal to secure a gun during the day and unlock it and put it by your bedside at night. Every kid killed with a parent's gun has parents that swear their kids know about guns and would never...

Guns have a hardcore attraction for kids, like a magnet. My dad had a 1911 .45 that I couldn't leave alone, and I will admit to three close calls as a kid where other kids almost got shot by accidental discharges. We used .22's and shotguns for hunting as a kid, but some guns like older semi automatics are not nearly as easy to safely handle and use. My dad kept it locked, but quite frankly that lock might as well not been there for all the good it did keeping me out.

Gun security laws make sense, and you are free to disregard them if you truly believe your kid would never touch your guns...but if they do you then deserve to be put in jail because it's not just your kids you endanger, but other people's kids who play with yours.

I'd love to have a statistic on every parent who has lost a kid to gun deaths by their own guns. every one I personally know of will never have a gun in the house again. It's a shame to have to lose a kid when a law requiring security would have saved that life.

boatbob2

Or,come to my house,My 165 lb rotteweiler hasn't eaten a demoncrat or lib for awhile.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Ok, wait a minute here.........
Is this coming from the same guy that posted a thread about one of his 'conservative' friends taking an unsafe shot with a rifle that you handed to him? If I remember correctly, you said you would bear no responsibility had that bullet hit your neighbors house since you didn't fire the gun. I see a contradiction here.
And, yeah, I'm gonna bring this up until you climb down off of your high horse, and quit presenting yourself as the epitome of responsibility.

It also strikes me as funny how you seem to know someone who has faced, or been involved in any, and every life scenario imaginable.

boatbob2

Adults make mistakes too,When I was in Vietnam,I had a .45 cal Thompson sub machine gun (that's what I called it) I let my buddy use it,on the Thompson,you pull the bolt back,when you fire it,the bolt comes forward,strips a round off a magazine,fires the round,goes back,then comes forward getting another round,and firing again,my buddy pulled the trigger,with a magazine in it,and fired only missing me by inches,I never let him use that gun again,I didn't like it much,I like the m16,much better. Archie,I have been involved in a bunch of life threatening scenarios,not bragging,but I'm still alive.

moldyoldy

You know it seems that you are making a blanket statement, though I am not anti gun, just anti stupidity.