woodguru

Letting someone pray is a far cry from letting someone "practice" their religious beliefs at someone else's rights being violated. Bad equivalency, in fact no equivalency.

It's not them praying, it's what they are praying about if it infringes on something else, like gays or abortion.

Muslims can pray without it affecting anyone else, something christians need practice.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Pal, your rational is coming from a fried brain.
So how was Woodstock, weed, whisky and way too much LSD would be my guess.

I'm not the only one shaking my head

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

There are children being prohibited from writing Merry Christmas to the soldiers, senior citizens being banned from praying over their meals in the Senior Center, the VA banning the mention of God in military funerals, numerous attempts to have veterans memorials torn down if they have any religious symbols such as a cross, and I could go on and on,” Shackleford said.

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WND reported in August 2011 on the Houston, Texas, veterans’ cemetery director who issued an order banning God from military or veteran funerals at the facility.

A pastor and family members of deceased veterans eventually filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the Houston National VA Cemetery is discriminating against their religious freedoms.

The suit alleges that cemetery administrator Arleen Ocasio required pastor Scott Rainey to edit a Memorial Day prayer so that the prayer was “general, and its fundamental purpose [was] nondenominational in nature.”


Christian civil rights organization ACLJ senior counsel David French says the exact rate of increase is hard to determine, but many of the new cases come from colleges.

“Our knowledge of incidents is only as good as the reporting,” French says. “However, it’s clear that – particularly on college and university campuses – we have seen a significant rise in attempts to silence Christian organizations by the misapplication of nondiscrimination laws.”

French adds that many public facilities are also covering over Christianity.

“One of the most strident examples: the misuse of the Establishment Clause to attempt to ban any mention of God from historical markers, monuments or even museum exhibits,” French says. “This represents an effort to whitewash God from American history and change our national identity.”

WND reported in February that the city of New York was attempting to cancel the leases of all church and religious groups renting city facilities.

“Our view is that public school buildings, which are funded by taxpayers’ dollars, should not be used as houses of worship,” said Marge Feinberg, spokeswoman for New York City’s Department of Education. “Public school space cannot and should not be used for worship services, especially because school space is not equally available to all faiths.”

Shackleford says the attacks are becoming violent, too.

“The recent attacks on the faith-based Family Research Council and the attack on the Sikhs are recent examples alone,” Shackleford says.

He also cites an example of a city trying to push out its Jewish residents.

“In one case I was involved in, a city literally tried to zone out Orthodox Jews from the city. An official city meeting perpetrated this,” Shackleford says. “Some said, ‘Hitler should have finished the job.'”

Shackleford claims the acts of persecution point to a deeply rooted spiritual issue.

“Religious hostility is the red light on the dashboard that tells us we have a problem and that violence will come next if not fixed,” Shackleford says.

French says although the Obama administration has contributed to the problem, the problem didn’t begin in 2008.

“While the Obama administration launched its own unprecedented assault on religious liberty through Obamacare,” French says, “the attack on Christian expression is the result of cultural changes that have been taking place for decades.”

Shackleford agrees.

“The Obama administration has been very hostile, from the HHS mandates to the VA case to many, many more; but it has been getting worse and worse each administration,” Shackleford says. “Government always tries to increase its power, and freedom has been fading in the process. It has been a steady and consistent.”

French says the current crisis has been brewing for decades.

“No, the trend began with advent of the sexual revolution and the mainstreaming of the 1960s counterculture,” French claims. “As leftist radicals have progressed through the academy, media, churches and government, the trend has only accelerated.”

Shackleford adds that some key court cases may have accelerated the trend.

“The seeds for these attacks were dropped in a Supreme Court opinions in the ’40s, and it really began to take off in the 1960s. The thing that is shocking now, and different, is that the attacks have dramatically picked up speed,” Shackleford says. “There can be as many as 100 new attacks in a month. While Liberty Institute has the highest win rate of any group in the country at over 99 percent, we just can’t currently cover all these with our current resources.”

Among the violations listed in the joint report:

A federal judge threatened “incarceration” to a high school valedictorian unless she removed references to Jesus from her graduation speech.
City officials prohibited senior citizens from praying over their meals, listening to religious messages or singing gospel songs at a senior activities center.
A public school official physically lifted an elementary school student from his seat and reprimanded him in front of his classmates for praying over his lunch.
Following U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ policies, a federal government official sought to censor a pastor’s prayer, eliminating references to Jesus, during a Memorial Day ceremony honoring veterans at a national cemetery.
Public school officials prohibited students from handing out gifts because they contained religious messages.
A public school official prevented a student from handing out flyers inviting her classmates to an event at her church.
A public university’s law school banned a Christian organization because it required its officers to adhere to a statement of faith that the university disagreed with.
The U.S. Department of Justice argued before the Supreme Court that the federal government can tell churches and synagogues which pastors and rabbis it can hire and fire.
The State of Texas sought to approve and regulate what religious seminaries can teach.
Through the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, the federal government is forcing religious organizations to provide insurance for birth control and abortion-inducing drugs in direct violation of their religious beliefs.
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs banned the mention of God from veterans’ funerals, overriding the wishes of the deceased’s families.
A federal judge held that prayers before a state House of Representatives could be to Allah but not to Jesus.

PeterS

Trump said he has never asked forgiveness. Says if he does wrong he just trys to do better. Now explain how one can accept Christ and never ask for forgiveness? He also didn't elaborate on how he knows when he did something wrong. I mean he doesn't seem to think adultery wrong, which is a good thing because he doesn't seem to be able to keep his dick our of women other than his wife.


A google search turns up a provision in the U.S. tax code, since 1954, that prohibits all 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations. I don't know what you are going all snowflake over...

So your contention is that Donald wants the United States to be a Christian Theocracy? You should read the constitution--no where does it say we are a Christian nation nor that the country is to serve a Christian god. My question is if you don't believe in our constitution enough to obey what it says.

God could end transgender sin by simply not creating transgenders.

He just passed a budget where Planned Parent Hood is fully funded and didn't threaten to veto the budget nor seek to negotiate the funding of PPH. If you call that doing all he can then he has you more hoodwinked than I thought.

Iran, Israel, and England are all theocracies. That's three countries right there that have a greater covenant with god. Our covenant with our constitution allows us to worship, or not worship, as we so choose. That's a stronger covenant than any Theocracy can possibly have.

If dangerous people crossing borders is gods judgement then wouldn't protecting our borders be against gods judgement? How could god judge us with dangerous people if we didn't allow them to cross our borders?

This too makes no sense. Shouldn't you support gods judgment for our sins? Why are you trying to stop him when we have done wrong?

"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is Gods." When did taxes become gods?

One of the first regulations that Trump cut was the outlawing of dumping of Coal Ash in our water ways and Coal Ash contains arsenic, mercury, lead, among other lovely elements. So tell my why would god want poison dumped in our water ways where it could harm his children and little animals? Does god care more about the profits of our coal companies then health of his own creation?

So my take from all this is that you support Trump because he supports your fundamental belief system even though your belief system is likely against the founding principles of our country...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

OK, numbnuts, this ball is in your court. Let's see what ya got. I really want to see hard evidence of Christians vandalizing, defacing, burning, and bombing mosques here in America. You're out of your freaking mind.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Here's a fine work that is already outselling Comey's tutorial on how to commit federal crimes, leak it to the media, then lie about where it all came from.

This book reveals how and why our president has experienced a remarkable spiritual transformation over the course of his time in office. The authors interviewed Trump in the Oval office and flushed it out with interviews of family members and those who work for Trump in the WH, including comments from VP Pence. Trump isn't the same man he was when this all began.

The book also answers the question why evangelical Christians voted for Trump and why they still support him.

PeterS

Trumps spiritual awakening? According to Pastor Ralph Drollinger, who is conducting bible study among Trumps cabinet members, says that neither Pence nor Trump have yet to attend. Now I have seen fundamentalists praying over him, the laying of hands, and if that's what you are talking about then I experienced the same transformation. Now I know one thing for sure and that's for any transformation you have to work at it and I'm sorry but if Donald thinks being president is hard wait until he has to put the effort into trying to be a Christian. I mean it's going to have to come from him and he can't sit there, be prayed over, and think that's all he has to do.

So excuse my skepticism but this is a man who has lusted over just about every woman he ever met, including his own daughter, and I'm sorry but if you cannot ask for forgiveness exactly how is anyone suppose to accept Christ and without Christ just how is he suppose to be a Christian?

As for why evangelicals voted for Trump it's because he was the best path to what they want. His qualities as a human being are irrelevant so long as he continues to give them what they want...

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

I'll reply its late, the Fettuccine Alfredo called me back for second and then thirds, just in time for bed.
Until tomorrow

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

And tell me Pete, what is it I want besides your salvation?

PeterS

I thought you already gave me a list of your wants and wishes in this thread or another? Am I mistaken or have you already forgotten your list of godly desires? As for you wanting my salvation I found that when I discovered the mental clarity that god is of my creation. Imagine if I had wasted the entirety of the only life I would ever have on the worship of a deity of my own creation.

out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State

Any "good Christian", who as human is wracked by sin, must hate the sin, not the sinner. We can love people, yet condemn their action, just as we must condemn the actions of ourselves when not in line with Gods Word. The world today does not wish to be convicted of their sin, and therefore must demonize those who would bring it to light. There is no grey, there is right and wrong, period. We all know this, but some choose to rage against it, and those who carry the message, because it exposes sin for what it is.

Big dog

AMEN

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Singularity

This is not Christian persecution, rather it is the withdrawal or prohibition of inappropriate privilege that Christians have assumed, unopposed, for much too long in a secular country with secular government.

"Don’t fret and don’t be surprised by any of this. Jesus told His followers they would be hated because of Him." And this is, to a large extent, simply another attempt at inapropriate pity bragging.