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Apr 22, 2018 10:22:45   #
bahmer
 
currahee wrote:
If a teenager can be drafted when he/she turns eighteen years old he/she should be able to buy alcohol, firearms and to vote. In 1969, hving served as a combat machine gunner in Viet Nam, I was 20 years old and I couldn't buy a drink in the local bar of my hometown. Yet, I faced an enemy that tried to blow us away with bullets and ARPG's.


At that point my friend, you definitely had skin in the game, so to speak, you had your skin in the game.

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Apr 22, 2018 10:52:21   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
bahmer wrote:
We need to go back more toward the way the founding fathers had it set up and that was for property owners to be the voters because they have skin in the game. Now we have illegals, teenagers, felons, and god only knows who, voting and they are all voting for what they want, not what is good for the country.


Another qualifiican to vote would be to serve and be honorably discharged from the military that way they would learn respect, discipline and love of country.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump

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Apr 22, 2018 10:55:03   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
oldroy wrote:
Well I have to say that I voted for Brownback for governor of Kansas twice and one of our left leaners keeps on making fun of me for it. I did not want that man either time but I sure didn't want to vote for his Democrat opponent.


Some times one must choose the lesser of two evils.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump

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Apr 22, 2018 12:07:21   #
roy
 
old marine wrote:
Another qualifiican to vote would be to serve and be honorably discharged from the military that way they would learn respect, discipline and love of country.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump


Maybe we should just let people that have served and had skin in the game vote and run for office.

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Apr 22, 2018 13:21:57   #
Big dog
 
pafret wrote:
Sounds good to me as long as we have a test-qualified vote authorization. If you can't read English, are ignorant of US history and don't know or understand Civics then you are not qualified to vote. If you can't pass the ethics section of the test and are unfamiliar with the candidates and their positions then you aren't qualified to vote. If you are a US citizen and you can pass such an exam then by all means vote, even if you are ten years old.

Of course there will have to be adjustments to matters of law such as the shield of minority, which protects children from being saddled with debt from purchases of unnecessary goods. After all, if they can vote they can't be children or need protection and support from their parents. Gonna be a lot of sophomores trolling the streets asking "Buddy can you spare a dime." By the way, kids should be allowed to conceal carry in schools as well, wouldn't want to deprive them of the right to defend themselves since we adults have done such a poor job of it.
Sounds good to me as long as we have a test-qualif... (show quote)

How's about, you can vote after your first year of enlistment in any one of our Armed Forces, regardless of age.

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Apr 22, 2018 14:19:47   #
badbob85037
 
oldroy wrote:
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-should-vote-they-say

It seems that the Left is becoming more and more determinated to allow 16 year olds to vote. I have some trouble with that because we don't really have a situation like we had in the 60s when the left was begging to allow 18 year olds to vote because they were being drafted to fight in Viet Nam. They got the vote for 18 year olds and found that they would vote largely for Democrats. Now lefties are thinking that those kids who haven't studied American History or Government and sure as hell not the Constitution are being pushed around by not being allowed to vote. I remember so well in the early 50s when I was studying Communism and what Communists were saying in colleges about what they called "fellow travelers" how amazed I was when I found this out. Here we have all these left leaning Democrats trying to get the vote for 16s and 17s. The Left is basing shootings at schools as their excuse to allow those kids who just have to serve as target practice of weirdoes with guns.

I just can't give in to adding two more age groups to our voting population. My reasoning for this is based on high school students walking out of schools because it was the 19th birthday of Columbine. I still think that the shooting in Florida and other schools were caused by Lefties wanting to use them like they did Columbine.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-sho... (show quote)


Should 12 year old's be drafted?

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Apr 22, 2018 14:27:15   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
currahee wrote:
If a teenager can be drafted when he/she turns eighteen years old he/she should be able to buy alcohol, firearms and to vote. In 1969, hving served as a combat machine gunner in Viet Nam, I was 20 years old and I couldn't buy a drink in the local bar of my hometown. Yet, I faced an enemy that tried to blow us away with bullets and ARPG's.


I enlisted in 1954 at the age of seventeen. At twenty I was honorably discharged, could not vote or buy a drink. Of the two, drinking was something I did on a regular basis, while in the Army, starting at age seventeen. Voting, took a lot more thought but even at that age I distrusted both parties and registered Independent. I have had no reason to change that classification no matter who I voted for or most often, against. It takes a level of maturity and interest in politics that comes only with age and experience, to make rational selections, and eighteen year olds do not have either.

Being a soldier requires good physical condition, which is what most eighteen year olds had in abundance. They didn't need to think, just follow orders. It is too bad that some end up in combat but this is what we were told was necessary to protect our homes and families.

The fact that you served honorably and put your life on the line speaks well of your character and maturity. I would be in favor of allowing soldiers and veterans to vote at less than age twenty one but the rest can wait. Because some eighteen year olds make a great personal sacrifice is not a reason to reward all.

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Apr 22, 2018 15:14:27   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
pafret wrote:
Well we had a similar situation with the Presidential election. A vote for either of the third party candidates was a wasted vote as it usually is. Between Trump and Clinton there was no question as to who was more corrupt. When you consider that Clinton was promising to turn us into Sweden and continue Obama's disasters you don't need to be beaten over the head to get the message, Vote Trump. At least he was saying what we wanted to hear with specifics and great detail.


I know that we think alike about that election and how simple minded voting for anybody else would have been. Voting for anybody but Trump was just like voting for Hillary and I have never been able to think about that woman who had been in on the killings that seemed always to take place wherever the Clintons were involved.

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Apr 22, 2018 15:22:44   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Should 12 year old's be drafted?


I really thought that both Mr. Weber, author of the article, and I were against lowering the voting age and you mention 12. I know very few 12 year olds who are large enough to fit the uniforms available. If they aren't big enough in body, I bet they aren't big enough in the brain.

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Apr 22, 2018 16:41:05   #
Big dog
 
pafret wrote:
I enlisted in 1954 at the age of seventeen. At twenty I was honorably discharged, could not vote or buy a drink. Of the two, drinking was something I did on a regular basis, while in the Army, starting at age seventeen. Voting, took a lot more thought but even at that age I distrusted both parties and registered Independent. I have had no reason to change that classification no matter who I voted for or most often, against. It takes a level of maturity and interest in politics that comes only with age and experience, to make rational selections, and eighteen year olds do not have either.

Being a soldier requires good physical condition, which is what most eighteen year olds had in abundance. They didn't need to think, just follow orders. It is too bad that some end up in combat but this is what we were told was necessary to protect our homes and families.

The fact that you served honorably and put your life on the line speaks well of your character and maturity. I would be in favor of allowing soldiers and veterans to vote at less than age twenty one but the rest can wait. Because some eighteen year olds make a great personal sacrifice is not a reason to reward all.
I enlisted in 1954 at the age of seventeen. At tw... (show quote)

I agree whole heartedly. I too enlisted at age 17. And yes I was allowed to drink.
I don't think people should be allowed to vote until age 21, UNLESS they HAVE served in the armed forces. The first thing that happens to a person when they enlist is they quickly become adults.
As far as I'm concerned the voting age could be raised to 24 for those that choose not to serve, but for the young men and women that DO choose to serve, they should be allowed to vote after a year in service.

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Apr 22, 2018 17:31:33   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
Another qualifiican to vote would be to serve and be honorably discharged from the military that way they would learn respect, discipline and love of country.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump


I agree. That was the main point in Robert A Heinlein's story, Starship Troopers. Of course if you only watched the movie the focus was on a war with aliens. In the book, the war was just background. When the main character joined up, there was no war. In the society there were residents and citizens. Citizens were those who volunteered to serve their country. No one was denied who wanted to serve. The military service was like our military, the peace corps, community service, etc. Only after you served your term,did you get to be a citizen with the franchise. Most people weren't interested as they could have a good life with far less risks by NOT serving. They were not 2nd class and had every other benefit of the society but they could not vote. The idea was that you had to prove you cared about your country enough to serve it, if you wanted a say in the governing of it.

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Apr 22, 2018 18:49:06   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
oldroy wrote:
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-should-vote-they-say

It seems that the Left is becoming more and more determinated to allow 16 year olds to vote. I have some trouble with that because we don't really have a situation like we had in the 60s when the left was begging to allow 18 year olds to vote because they were being drafted to fight in Viet Nam. They got the vote for 18 year olds and found that they would vote largely for Democrats. Now lefties are thinking that those kids who haven't studied American History or Government and sure as hell not the Constitution are being pushed around by not being allowed to vote. I remember so well in the early 50s when I was studying Communism and what Communists were saying in colleges about what they called "fellow travelers" how amazed I was when I found this out. Here we have all these left leaning Democrats trying to get the vote for 16s and 17s. The Left is basing shootings at schools as their excuse to allow those kids who just have to serve as target practice of weirdoes with guns.

I just can't give in to adding two more age groups to our voting population. My reasoning for this is based on high school students walking out of schools because it was the 19th birthday of Columbine. I still think that the shooting in Florida and other schools were caused by Lefties wanting to use them like they did Columbine.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-sho... (show quote)


Thank the Good Lord for instilling the importance of a Republic in our Founding Fathers rendering of our Constitution! The majority of Americans are just too low information slugs to investigate before they pull the lever. Our Constitutionalist new this; it is why our Presidents are elected somewhere in the third week of December during every general election! Thank God!

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Apr 22, 2018 19:46:43   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Big dog wrote:
How's about, you can vote after your first year of enlistment in any one of our Armed Forces, regardless of age.


No way. After serving a minimum of four years they will become a thinking adult and be more mature than other twenty or twenty one year old. They will have a deeper love and pride for America then.

Semper Fi brother
God bless America and President Trump

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Apr 23, 2018 02:24:50   #
sisboombaa
 
oldroy wrote:
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-should-vote-they-say

It seems that the Left is becoming more and more determinated to allow 16 year olds to vote. I have some trouble with that because we don't really have a situation like we had in the 60s when the left was begging to allow 18 year olds to vote because they were being drafted to fight in Viet Nam. They got the vote for 18 year olds and found that they would vote largely for Democrats. Now lefties are thinking that those kids who haven't studied American History or Government and sure as hell not the Constitution are being pushed around by not being allowed to vote. I remember so well in the early 50s when I was studying Communism and what Communists were saying in colleges about what they called "fellow travelers" how amazed I was when I found this out. Here we have all these left leaning Democrats trying to get the vote for 16s and 17s. The Left is basing shootings at schools as their excuse to allow those kids who just have to serve as target practice of weirdoes with guns.

I just can't give in to adding two more age groups to our voting population. My reasoning for this is based on high school students walking out of schools because it was the 19th birthday of Columbine. I still think that the shooting in Florida and other schools were caused by Lefties wanting to use them like they did Columbine.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/55482-the-kids-sho... (show quote)


If it is age that is the qualifier I vote for 40 plus. However, I prefer, instead of age, the
qualifiers to be proof of U.S. citizenship AND proof of paying both property and income taxes. OR, proof of U.S. citizenship and serving or having served in the military.

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Apr 23, 2018 05:33:44   #
Big dog
 
sisboombaa wrote:
If it is age that is the qualifier I vote for 40 plus. However, I prefer, instead of age, the
qualifiers to be proof of U.S. citizenship AND proof of paying both property and income taxes. OR, proof of U.S. citizenship and serving or having served in the military.


Okay.

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