Tied into your comment and a question I asked on the other thread you started and you never answered…

crazylibertarian wrote:
All I can say then mwdegutis, is that so many passage can be taken so many ways tha it is virtually fruitless to argue them. I go with the overall idea to interpret Scripture. I believe Jesus was the Messiah but I think it's far more important to live the life he wanted us to.

mwdegutis wrote:
I ask this question with all sincerity because I want to understand what you believe. So what you're saying is that "it is far more important to live the life He wanted us to" than to have faith in what He did for us on the cross?

You keep focusing on the charlatans, who lead many astray, ultimately God will judge these. You question was do we think Catholics are going to Hell. This is about you, do we think you are going to Hell? Only God knows your Heart, only God can judge, but His word tell us that only Christ can save us, no amount of good works or self sacrifice, can wipe away the sin that plagues us all. Those of us who truly believe this, cannot play nice. Oh, you took in a village of orphans and fasted for three years, surely you have earned your ticket, No while those things would be nice, it is Christ's sacrifice alone, you must accept that He alone can save you.

You say God will, ultimately, judge them. On that basis, if all it takes is their statements that they are committed to Jesus’ sacrifice, that's a contradiction. You’ve got to live the life.

At the end of every Sunday mass, the priest says to the congregants, “Let us go forth to love & serve the Lord.” Yes, Jesus paid the sacrifice for our sins, but it’s only the beginning.

I don’t wish to slice & dice and discuss this further. If mwdegutis & you believe that all that is necessary is to accept Jesus, then we have fundamental, disagreements that are not resolvable.

You go & live your life as you see fit and I will live mine but my original point in this whole thread remains. Many non-Catholics maintain that all Catholics are going to hell and it is one that is peddled today. It was even posted by someone in the past and one person on OPP posted that he went to a church across the street from a Catholic church where his pastor said exactly that. I submit that statement, in & of itself, is a serious sin in the eyes of God.

And BTW, to further inflame others who say the same, let me make this ask this. What of the person who never in his life even heard of Jesus yet lives according to His Golden Rule? I think he has a far better destiny than the likes of Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen etc. Call it salvation, if you will. And call that attitude what you will.

And still, why am I going to hell? Not one person has told me, including you. And that attitude still exists in this country.

My attitude is in compliance with the Jesus admonition that His Father's house has many mansions. What about yours?

Jesus said, "It is finished (Tetelestai)." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (Tetelestai comes from the verb teleo, which means "to bring to an end, to complete, to accomplish."

Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.”

When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind - the debt of sin.

pafret,

I am pleased to inform you that you are absolutely wrong on every arrogant convoluted argument you just made again.

There is absolutely no hatred toward you or any other Catholic individual on my part, nor, is there any evident in any other poster's words.

On the contrary, it is those who drape themselves in Roman Catholicism as tightly as a girdle that are displaying mind numbing hatred and hostility toward anyone who is free from the bondage of RCC's occultism.

To follow those who claim to be able to perform as the Illusionist, David Copperfield, and invisibly insert Jesus Christ into a baked wafer in order that He may be literally munched as an act of "worship'' is not a Christian practice, nor is it from the Christian God.

It is deception from he whom Jesus called a liar, a thief and a murderer, that old serpent, the God of this age.

Do you realize that if those millions of consecrated hosts left over from Mass services around the world were combined, you would have, according to your own Catholic teaching, literally tons of the blood and flesh of Jesus Christ, who now sits in heaven at the right hand of God, the Father.

Until Constantine squinted into the sunlight and believed he saw the emblem of Jesus Christ in 312 A.D., there was no Roman Catholicism.

The Christianity believed and followed by hundreds of millions of people has existed since approximately 29A.D., the date of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.

I am very well acquainted with what Catholicism claims to be true historically, which has been completely disproved.

I am very well acquainted with the falsified records of the Donation of Constantine, the false claim of supposed popes extending back to Peter, all of which has been disproved, yet the lies never cease.

In my library are at least one hundred books on all aspects of Roman Catholicism, many of them written by Jesuit or former Jesuit priests.

My son-in-law grew up in a household claiming Catholicism; he was wise enough to escape it.

I know many Catholics, and I know they cannot explain their faith, can't even begin to, any more than can you.

I don't hate you.

I pray for you.