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Apr 4, 2018 15:10:09   #
woodguru
 
boatbob2 wrote:
Its a witch hunt,Donald is innocent.


It's not by definition a witch hunt when evidence is there, after multiple charges and guilty pleas what do you want or need?

A witch hunt is more like Benghazi, endless investigations that produce nothing.

Mueller has been providing a steady stream of activity that lets anyone paying attention see not only that something is there, but that it is productively going to charge those involved in Trump's campaign and transition with crimes they were already being looked at for.

Dozens of Nixon people were indicted and prosecuted, and there is way more here than was involved with that.

Trump just needs to suck it up, because any and every attempt to make this go away or even undermine it is obstruction. This is what obstruction is, trying to either influence or interfere with an ongoing investigation. We have an investigation and it is going to be finished, not to mention people are going to be prosecuted.

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Apr 4, 2018 15:18:07   #
woodguru
 
JFlorio wrote:
Mueller announced today that the President is not a target of any criminal investigation. In other words he’s saying I have nothing, never did, on Russian anything, but hey, I’m a swamp thing and must dance to my masters at taxpayer expense


That you just said doesn't begin to represent what was said, he said Trump was a subject, not a target. Subjects can become targets with the flip of a switch. And if you want to actually understand how it was worded, it narrowed the statement to be about one aspect of the investigation, defined as Russian interference. To me, who looks for what isn't being said, Mueller carefully spoke of one tiny aspect of the investigation. There is money laundering and possibly tax evasion that could be of concern to Trump. Mueller carefully kept everything but Russian interference away from his statement.

To say that Mueller has nothing never did? That is ridiculous, tell that to Flynn, Manafort, Page, Popadopoulos, and others who would not agree. And since these are people who can link things to Trump if that is in fact the case, statements like this make no sense. The Benghazi hearings never produced a single indictment or guilty plea, that was a waste of taxpayer money. This is producing results, and what we are seeing is the tip.

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Apr 4, 2018 15:21:35   #
woodguru
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
I agree. Rosenstein betrayed Trump when he hired Mueller. Why Mueller is allowed to go outside the scope of Russia-Trump collusion is beyond me? But this is what the Dems do. And let's not be calling him a "loyal conservative". Remember when the Dems had a team of liberal (pretty much includes 95% of them) reporters go up to Alaska and try to find dirt on Sarah Palin? and they found nothing. There is some kind of connection there between Comey, Mueller, McCabe, and Rosenstein and they have each other's back. I know they worked on the Uranium One deal back in 2010 together, but other than that I'm not sure of the connection.
I agree. Rosenstein betrayed Trump when he hired ... (show quote)


All that matters is paper trails, and evidence of Trump people and their involvements with Russia. You think these guy's long histories of involvements with Russian Billionaires has been made up? It's really hard to hide the kinds of things the FBI and CIA have access to.

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Apr 4, 2018 15:35:57   #
woodguru
 
bahmer wrote:
He only recused himself of the Trump Russian collusion part not the rest of it. Mueller is investigating Trump's business dealings from years ago and that is not what Sessions recused himself from therefor he should step in and tell Rosenstein to tell Mueller to cease and desist or be fired.


Do you have a problem understanding, or is it believing that Trump did business with Russians? This is tying Trump people, and the types of things they did brokering deals between Russia and the US. Illegal, even shady deals with Russian billionaires who stole money from Russia and needed to launder it, which Trump's business model made a perfect way to bring hundreds of millions into the country through real estate, make Trump a serious risk to national security because he can be pressured into serving Russia's interests rather than US interests. It is likely that Trump has taken money from Russia in the form of loans that were done during times when it was illegal to do deals with Russia because of sanctions. Trump has already made it 100% clear that he would have immediately lifted sanctions had Congress not intervened. Lifting these sanctions serve no possible interest for our country, but do serve Putin (and Trump) well

We are seeing leaks that tell the story of what's to come. There would seem to be evidence that Trump was actively engaged in trying to put the Russian Trump tower deals together while sanctions were in place. If that can be proved Trump is done. And before arguing that which has yet to be proved but may well be, we will see. Saying that is fake news means no more than saying this is fact when we don't know yet.

We will be seeing a dozen things, any one of which is (or should be) enough to trigger action by congress. Given the possibility of congress refusing to act my guess is that Mueller wants so much that there is no possibility of refusing to act. He will not do anything less than lay out incontestable evidence, there is nothing to do but wait and see.

It isn't going away though, no matter how much Hannity and friends want it to.

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Apr 4, 2018 16:27:54   #
woodguru
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Well, you guys haven't found anything in the last year. You expect something in the next year? Your argument is such trash. How would you like it if some highway patrolman followed you around everywhere you went waiting for you to go five or ten over the limit. Hey, you have nothing to worry about, but you better keep your eye on that speedometer. Or how would you like somebody looking over your shoulder at work for the next four years? Let be honest, you wouldn't like it.


Pull your head out of the FOX sand, there has been a steady stream of charges and guilty pleas. Nothing there? Have you no awareness of the fact that Mueller is dealing with Trump people who could be looking at sentences of over ten years to life? This is not things made up against them, these are illegal things that is the way they did business. These guys did business with Russian crooks who stole billions from Russia. Trump has done real estate deals that would seem to be money laundering. There is no ignorance defense on doing certain kinds of business with crooks. Crooks do business with crooks, not innocent dummies. Trump is no dummy when it came to the type of real estate dealings he was doing with Russians.

Eyes wide open here guys, Trump knew exactly who he was dealing with and what he was doing. A real estate deal where way over or under market to facilitate money laundering is obvious, and nobody involved is an unwitting dupe being unwittingly used.

You make the perfect point about not wanting someone looking over your shoulder. Being president means someone is always looking over your shoulder. No president before Trump ever had a single minute alone with Putin, there is no reason for that. Phone calls are supposed to be recorded and with witnesses, and are a matter of public record. This is so that there is never any doubt about impropriety of any kind.

I said before Trump announced that he was going to run that there was no way, it couldn't be possible that Trump would put his business and tax deals through the microscope he would be by even running, let alone winning. If you have laundered money it creates a tax nightmare. The tax trail of legitimizing laundering deals creates a tax reflection because you are paying taxes on a lot of money that you are giving back to the person cleaning up there money.

So to take a situation where Trump already was going to end up under scrutiny, he brings in a boatload of people who had been dealing with Russian oligarchs for years. Every person coming into Trump's orbit is under a microscope. Then when many of them were already under FBI scrutiny Trump comes under the same investigations already underway.

This was stupidity, and has predictable results, rather than blindly support and defend, how about paying attention and applying some common sense to what was done and whether it's okay.

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Apr 4, 2018 17:08:02   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Then shut up and list the charges and guilty pleas. You are so full,of it. None had a thing to do with Trump. You spout crap as if you’re a legal scholar and you are actually clueless. All your conjecture is straight out of far left talking points. Get educated or you’ll just troll the rest of your life. Collusion is not criminal. Got it ? He could fire Comey at any time for any reason. He’s the president. Firing Comey cannot be obstruction because Comey stated publicly trump was not being investigated. You need to troll somewhere else. Many OPPER’S are way to knowledgeable for you. I apologize to any OPP participants I have offended for replying to this obvious troll when I said I wouldn’t. Just had to point point out these obvious untruths.
woodguru wrote:
Pull your head out of the FOX sand, there has been a steady stream of charges and guilty pleas. Nothing there? Have you no awareness of the fact that Mueller is dealing with Trump people who could be looking at sentences of over ten years to life? This is not things made up against them, these are illegal things that is the way they did business. These guys did business with Russian crooks who stole billions from Russia. Trump has done real estate deals that would seem to be money laundering. There is no ignorance defense on doing certain kinds of business with crooks. Crooks do business with crooks, not innocent dummies. Trump is no dummy when it came to the type of real estate dealings he was doing with Russians.

Eyes wide open here guys, Trump knew exactly who he was dealing with and what he was doing. A real estate deal where way over or under market to facilitate money laundering is obvious, and nobody involved is an unwitting dupe being unwittingly used.

You make the perfect point about not wanting someone looking over your shoulder. Being president means someone is always looking over your shoulder. No president before Trump ever had a single minute alone with Putin, there is no reason for that. Phone calls are supposed to be recorded and with witnesses, and are a matter of public record. This is so that there is never any doubt about impropriety of any kind.

I said before Trump announced that he was going to run that there was no way, it couldn't be possible that Trump would put his business and tax deals through the microscope he would be by even running, let alone winning. If you have laundered money it creates a tax nightmare. The tax trail of legitimizing laundering deals creates a tax reflection because you are paying taxes on a lot of money that you are giving back to the person cleaning up there money.

So to take a situation where Trump already was going to end up under scrutiny, he brings in a boatload of people who had been dealing with Russian oligarchs for years. Every person coming into Trump's orbit is under a microscope. Then when many of them were already under FBI scrutiny Trump comes under the same investigations already underway.

This was stupidity, and has predictable results, rather than blindly support and defend, how about paying attention and applying some common sense to what was done and whether it's okay.
Pull your head out of the FOX sand, there has been... (show quote)

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Apr 5, 2018 08:04:50   #
Bug58
 
I see this a tad bit differently,

There are several elements to break down, and one of the best ways to review the information is to first ask “why”?

Question #1) Why did Asst. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein deliver a non-public outline of investigative authority to Mueller on August 2nd, 2017?
Question #2) Why would Robert Mueller be seeking a signed more specific outline of his investigative authority on August 2nd, 2017; a full three months after he was assigned the role of Special Counsel?
Question #3) Why would Robert Mueller need to redact the content of an official outline of his investigative instructions from the Asst. Attorney General?

First, it is important to put the Rod Rosenstein releases into context.

On Wednesday May 17th, 2017 Rosenstein announced the following:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appointment-special-counsel


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/04/august-2nd-2017-doj-letter-from-rod-rosenstein-to-special-counsel-mueller-outlining-investigative-authorization/#more-147697

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Apr 5, 2018 08:13:38   #
Bug58
 
https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies?ad_group=725X700959X072d832919a4a961ca8ca0f4fef849ad&campaign=SkimbitLtd&keyword=660149026&medium=affiliate&source=hp_affiliate

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Apr 5, 2018 09:05:01   #
badbob85037
 
woodguru wrote:
You forget something key to this. The "secret memo" simply widened the scope of things that could be involved in the task at hand.

Here's the most important fact of all. If Trump had nothing to do with any contacts with Russia throughout the campaign, he has nothing to worry about.

We know beyond any shadow of a doubt that Trump's campaign staff was full of people who had been dealing with Russians for many years. They were money and influence brokers, their brands of consulting had to do with brokering influence and sales, and money laundering in some cases. They were conducting business like this in ways that were not above board in that they were intentionally not being open about their businesses. They were often taking large sums of cash and not paying taxes on it. All of this activity has a paper trail, and when these players go through convoluted shell companies designed to hide money it's that much more incriminating.

If Trump is innocent, if he had no knowledge of people he was involved with being involved in Russian cyber influence, then it will be shown he is innocent. If those in his campaign and transition were, it unfortunately rubs off on Trump. Trump's campaign and transition is Trump, the election is Trump.

Pay attention to facts. The FBI knows that Flynn called his Russian big wig contact as Trump was being inaugurated, assuring him that the sanctions would be lifted. The administration made it clear that job one was lifting sanctions and giving Russia back their two spy compounds Obama had taken away. The first day of office the GOP lifted the requirement that US corporations disclose any money transferred to foreign interests, thereby allowing Exxon to proceed with giving Putin $500 Billion for their oil deal.

Nothing has been done to crank down security on state computers we know were hacked, efforts that were underway were defunded and stopped....

This is keeping America safe? No problem with Russia interfering in elections as long as they support Republicans? Hey, we know they were active in cyber influence, but hey, it didn't affect the election so so what?

We are already finding out that the cyber games Russia was involved in were much more sophisticated than was thought to be the case, we will find out it went even deeper than that. And the right has already been conditioned to say so what, who cares?

Obama was one step away from declaring war with Russia, cyber warfare. He threatened Putin openly with leaking the whereabouts of tens of billions of dollars he had stolen from the Russian people. And Trump steps into this degree of threat with warm and fuzzy good feelings for his friend Putin. This should make anyone who cares about this country feel a little bit freaked out.

I would feel a whole lot better about Trump if he just backed the hell off of the Putin friendship thing. He has no reason to meet with Putin, there isn't a thing he needs to say between these countries that can't be said in open meetings. Diplomatic relations are done with witnesses for a reason, and it's so that there can never be a question that the president is doing anything he isn't supposed to be doing.
You forget something key to this. The "secret... (show quote)


It seems you have more information that the investigates. So why don't you get a bus ticket on a local Greyhound and go to DC with the boxes of evidences you have. Make sure you take all your expert witnesses with you.

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Apr 5, 2018 12:08:08   #
Ricktloml
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
I agree. Rosenstein betrayed Trump when he hired Mueller. Why Mueller is allowed to go outside the scope of Russia-Trump collusion is beyond me? But this is what the Dems do. And let's not be calling him a "loyal conservative". Remember when the Dems had a team of liberal (pretty much includes 95% of them) reporters go up to Alaska and try to find dirt on Sarah Palin? and they found nothing. There is some kind of connection there between Comey, Mueller, McCabe, and Rosenstein and they have each other's back. I know they worked on the Uranium One deal back in 2010 together, but other than that I'm not sure of the connection.
I agree. Rosenstein betrayed Trump when he hired ... (show quote)


Rosenstein, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Strozk, Page, and the rest of these political thugs betrayed the American people.It has taken over a year, but what is starting to finally surface is NOT that President Trump did anything illegal during his campaign for president, but that there was an ongoing effort by Obama, Hillary, the Democrat Party and their accomplices and collaborators in the media to first influence the 2016 election, and when they couldn't cheat enough to win, to overturn the election, and the will of the American people. This is the worst scandal, (although scandal doesn't really describe the depth of corruption,) if not in America's history, certainly in Amewrica's modern history. What we are witnessing is an attempt at a political coup. Treasonous corruption and abuse of power at the HIGHEST levels of government, excused, defended and covered-up by the Democrats and the media. It is hideous

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Apr 5, 2018 19:24:40   #
Bug58
 
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/03/prequel-specific-instructions-from-rod-rosenstein-to-robert-mueller-surface/


https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/mccabe-comey-fbi-report/index.html?sr=twCNN033018mccabe-comey-fbi-report0841PMVODtop

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Apr 5, 2018 21:30:08   #
teabag09
 
Sessions, who I don't trust, has a private, away from DC, investigator on the case. He has also seated a Grand Jury from outside of DC. Things are in the works but it needs to be so water tight as there is absolutely zero wiggle room. I like most am tired of waiting but we must other wise all will be lost to illegalities. Mike
bahmer wrote:
He only recused himself of the Trump Russian collusion part not the rest of it. Mueller is investigating Trump's business dealings from years ago and that is not what Sessions recused himself from therefor he should step in and tell Rosenstein to tell Mueller to cease and desist or be fired.

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Apr 5, 2018 21:36:14   #
teabag09
 
Jim, he totally mis-represented himself when he sign on with that half page definition of himself. He's a total fake who has claimed to hold just about every high position of Government, Military and Science in the month or so he's been here. I normally go past what he has to say and read the remarks that follow his. Mike
JFlorio wrote:
You may be the most obvious troll on this site. Hint; it’s not supposed to be that obvious.

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Apr 5, 2018 21:39:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
teabag09 wrote:
Jim, he totally mis-represented himself when he sign on with that half page definition of himself. He's a total fake who has claimed to hold just about every high position of Government, Military and Science in the month or so he's been here. I normally go past what he has to say and read the remarks that follow his. Mike


He’s an enigma. A croquet playing wine drinking liberal who shoots mountain lions. Yea. I believe that.

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Apr 5, 2018 23:01:41   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Well, you guys haven't found anything in the last year. You expect something in the next year? Your argument is such trash. How would you like it if some highway patrolman followed you around everywhere you went waiting for you to go five or ten over the limit. Hey, you have nothing to worry about, but you better keep your eye on that speedometer. Or how would you like somebody looking over your shoulder at work for the next four years? Let be honest, you wouldn't like it.


I couldn't even find 'the argument' just trolling trash.

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