mactheknife wrote:
I don't know how many times we have to tell you but all illegal aliens broke our laws by coming here without an immigrant visa. What is it about this that you cannot understand?
We're not talking about illegal aliens, mac. We're talking about the aliens being protected by sanctuary city leaders. (read the topic title) Those aliens are undocumented but they are NOT illegal. What is it about this that YOU can't understand?
I already explained why childhood arrivals can't be charged with breaking immigration laws. I've been very specific about this. I've told you about the legal defense of infancy and about the absence of any federal laws that deal with the resulting situation. I've explained how this led to the Dreamers Act which was supposed to resolve this very problem but the Republicans sat on it which is what led to DACA, an executive order in lieu of legislation that was supposed to defer action until Congress can get their shit together. I explained how Trump threatened DACA without pushing for any legislation on the childhood arrivals and how city leaders responded to THAT by creating sanctuaries.
Realizing you aren't getting any of this, I decided to keep things simple by reverting to common sense... you can't accuse someone of breaking a law that doesn't exist. So find the law. Ya know buffalo did this to me today... He found a law that I had forgotten about. You know what I told him? I said I concede on that point. You can do the same thing... If someone shows me a law and proves that it's broken, I accept it. I will concede of you can prove me wrong.
But so far you haven't shown me a law that the dreamers have broken. All you do is insist that they broke a law. and I'm asking... what law? Honestly, you don't need to keep repeating that they broke the law, I understood you the first time you said that. What you need to do now is show me the law.
SHOW... ME... THE LAW!!!
mactheknife wrote:
Do you want us to be a nation of laws or do you want chaos to reign?
Shouldn't I be asking YOU that question, since YOU are the one that can't find a law to support your accusations?
mactheknife wrote:
You have to make up you mind once and for all. No more excuses, our civilization is at stake and the majority of Americans will fight you to the death over this issue. Smarten up!
First of all, I don't know what you're smoking but the majority of Americans are on MY side not yours (if you people weren't so isolated in your alternate realities you would know that.) Latest polls indicate almost 9 in 10 Americans said they believe that the so-called Dreamers should be allowed to remain in the U.S. if they meet certain requirements, such as working or going to school.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/369487-poll-nearly-nine-in-10-favor-allowing-daca-recipients-to-staySecondly, the number of Americans willing to "fight us to the death" over this issue is an even smaller, minority of bigots, retards and wishful thinkers. So if that's your company, good luck.
Also, to think childhood arrivals are a threat to our civilization... LOL well, it's delusional at best.
Finally, my resolve on this issue has always been clear... there's no "making up my mind" and I wasn't coming up with excuses, I was explaining the law... apparently to a brick wall.
Look, I don't see any point in continuing this conversation with you... I thought your continued failure to find a law to back up your accusation would further emphasize the point I made pages ago
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=2362653&t=126392, but now I'm realizing it's just causing you to make a fool of yourself... it would be mean for me to continue.
I'm just going to say one last thing for anyone still reading this dead horse...
In our law-based republic, Trump's DOJ has the authority to prosecute, a process that starts with specific laws then seeks action against people who break them. They do NOT have the authority to persecute, which is what they are doing when they start with actions against specific people then look for laws to justify it.