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Mar 27, 2018 12:02:51   #
mactheknife
 
straightUp wrote:
Find the law mac.... I'm not falling for your idiot comments and opinions. YOU are the one insisting that sanctuary city leaders are breaking the law - so show me the law.

This is what every prosecutor has to do in court when they charge people for breaking the law - they can't just generalize, they can't be all snippy and tell the judge to read the law or consult "constitutional law scholars" no matter how much "missionary zeal" they might have... the simple fact is that they HAVE to actually present the law being broken or they don't have a case.

So... find the law.
Find the law mac.... I'm not falling for your idio... (show quote)


Judges are constitutionally bound to apply the law as it is written, not to create their own law by ignoring laws already on the books. One such law is "obstruction of justice" which is applied when a third party attempts to obstruct the application of existing law. Look it up!

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Mar 27, 2018 12:10:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
Ha, ha... thanks for that eagle. 'Brings back some memories... I actually used to play this with a band in Hermosa Beach back in the 80's that was intent on bringing back surf music and long boards. Here's some trivia for ya... Surf music (which is NOT the Beach Boys) was based on something we never hear anymore called western music and is the only style of music that actually originated in California. :)

(Misirlou was always my favorite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3h9p_c5-M
Ha, ha... thanks for that eagle. 'Brings back some... (show quote)


Know it well... This one too~~

https://youtu.be/rIvfVyyqTDI

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Mar 27, 2018 13:00:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Ha, ha... thanks for that eagle. 'Brings back some memories... I actually used to play this with a band in Hermosa Beach back in the 80's that was intent on bringing back surf music and long boards. Here's some trivia for ya... Surf music (which is NOT the Beach Boys) was based on something we never hear anymore called western music and is the only style of music that actually originated in California. :)

(Misirlou was always my favorite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3h9p_c5-M
Ha, ha... thanks for that eagle. 'Brings back some... (show quote)


My stomping grounds.
I kept my board at a buddy's house on 2'nd St in Hermosa, one block from the beach. Surfed 2'nd St a lot in the 60's.
My cousins went to high school with some of the Beach Boys at Redondo High.
https://youtu.be/omG-hZfN6zk

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Mar 27, 2018 14:05:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
My stomping grounds.
I kept my board at a buddy's house on 2'nd St in Hermosa, one block from the beach. Surfed 2'nd St a lot in the 60's.
My cousins went to high school with some of the Beach Boys at Redondo High.
https://youtu.be/omG-hZfN6zk


I did all my mine in Cocoa Beach right at the pier.. Could walk to it carrying my light short board...

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Mar 27, 2018 21:35:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lindajoy wrote:
Know it well... This one too~~

https://youtu.be/rIvfVyyqTDI


Good video on Dick Dale. Thanks.

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Mar 27, 2018 22:15:04   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
lindajoy wrote:
Know it well... This one too~~

https://youtu.be/rIvfVyyqTDI


Oh Yeah, Dick Dale! I saw him a number of times at the Sound Machine in Santa Monica... had a brief chat with him at the bar once. Really cool guy.

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Mar 27, 2018 22:24:57   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
My stomping grounds.
I kept my board at a buddy's house on 2'nd St in Hermosa, one block from the beach. Surfed 2'nd St a lot in the 60's.
My cousins went to high school with some of the Beach Boys at Redondo High.
https://youtu.be/omG-hZfN6zk

Hell, I didn't know that. I used to hang out on Pier Avenue all the time, but that was late 70's early 80's. My beach was a fair hike south from there. Avenue I, right off the Esplanade. I lived close enough to hear the waves when I woke up. Jumped out my window, grabbed my board and walked to the beach. 'can't believe I was a Republican then - ha, ha.

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Mar 27, 2018 22:29:17   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
lindajoy wrote:
I did all my mine in Cocoa Beach right at the pier.. Could walk to it carrying my light short board...

I've never surfed Florida before, I hear the Atlantic side has some nice spots. I've been to Key West, if that counts as Florida... waves just don't happen there. But the parties do :)

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Mar 27, 2018 23:59:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
mactheknife wrote:
Judges are constitutionally bound to apply the law as it is written, not to create their own law by ignoring laws already on the books.

Exactly, which means there HAS to be a written law for them to apply... See how that works? ...and it's the burden of the prosecution, not the judges to FIND that law and say "this is the law the defendants are breaking". THAT was the responsibility I was referring to mac.

Oh and by the way, judges are not the only ones that aren't allowed to create their own laws, presidents can't either, which is the biggest point you're missing. The federal agents are acting on the president's orders, not the federal laws as they are written by the ONLY branch the Constitution allows to write laws... Congress.

mactheknife wrote:

One such law is "obstruction of justice" which is applied when a third party attempts to obstruct the application of existing law. Look it up!

OK...

HERE are the federal laws that deal with obstruction of justice. They are codified into Title 18, Chapter 73: "OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE"

§ 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
§ 1504 - Influencing juror by writing
§ 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
§ 1506 - Theft or alteration of record or process; false bail
§ 1507 - Picketing or parading
§ 1508 - Recording, listening to, or observing proceedings of grand or petit juries while deliberating or voting
§ 1509 - Obstruction of court orders
§ 1510 - Obstruction of criminal investigations
§ 1511 - Obstruction of State or local law enforcement
§ 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1513 - Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1514 - Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness
§ 1514A - Civil action to protect against retaliation in fraud cases
§ 1515 - Definitions for certain provisions; general provision
§ 1516 - Obstruction of Federal audit
§ 1517 - Obstructing examination of financial institution
§ 1518 - Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses
§ 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy
§ 1520 - Destruction of corporate audit records
§ 1521 - Retaliating against a Federal judge or Federal law enforcement officer by false claim or slander of title

If you read the content of each clause, you will find that they are all applied to court proceedings or investigations. Court proceedings can't happen without a prosecution and a prosecution can't happen without a law to define the crime. So, what about investigations? Well for that you need probable cause which again requires a law to define the crime that validates the cause.

Now remember what I said in the first part of this response... presidents don't make the laws. Trump is directing his agents to enforce his own EXECUTIVE policies not the LAW as it's written by Congress. This is how we know Sessions is lying about the Supremacy Clause and I'm sure he knows it but he's trying to play that card anyway.

So... we're still missing that law mac... Your lynch mob needs a federal law that clearly states children of any age can be found guilty of illegal entry or they need to back the f*ck off.

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Mar 28, 2018 08:19:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Good video on Dick Dale. Thanks.


Your welcome...

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Mar 28, 2018 08:22:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh Yeah, Dick Dale! I saw him a number of times at the Sound Machine in Santa Monica... had a brief chat with him at the bar once. Really cool guy.


Never saw him, just liked his music.. Seems he was played a lot on the pier.. They had speakers all over the pier you could hear when surfing or just laying out tanning..

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Mar 28, 2018 08:32:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
I've never surfed Florida before, I hear the Atlantic side has some nice spots. I've been to Key West, if that counts as Florida... waves just don't happen there. But the parties do :)


Believe me when I tell you the Atlantic never had the waves you have on the Pacific... but it was still fun going out.. Now let a storm be brewing you got better waves or a hurricane now your talking, lololol..

I learned the same about Key West!! Duval St. had a home made ice cream store that you just had to go to some times..,Hemmingways was always cool for partying over something, like the sun coming up... lololl ~~They ruined it commercializing it to death!! Sad to watch its transformation over time.. Used to rent a houseboat for a week.. always enjoyed that!! Great music, fishing or swimming and just cool...
Miss it now but not Key West ...

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Mar 28, 2018 15:01:35   #
mactheknife
 
straightUp wrote:
OK...

HERE are the federal laws that deal with obstruction of justice. They are codified into Title 18, Chapter 73: "OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE"

§ 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
§ 1504 - Influencing juror by writing
§ 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
§ 1506 - Theft or alteration of record or process; false bail
§ 1507 - Picketing or parading
§ 1508 - Recording, listening to, or observing proceedings of grand or petit juries while deliberating or voting
§ 1509 - Obstruction of court orders
§ 1510 - Obstruction of criminal investigations
§ 1511 - Obstruction of State or local law enforcement
§ 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1513 - Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1514 - Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness
§ 1514A - Civil action to protect against retaliation in fraud cases
§ 1515 - Definitions for certain provisions; general provision
§ 1516 - Obstruction of Federal audit
§ 1517 - Obstructing examination of financial institution
§ 1518 - Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses
§ 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy
§ 1520 - Destruction of corporate audit records
§ 1521 - Retaliating against a Federal judge or Federal law enforcement officer by false claim or slander of title

If you read the content of each clause, you will find that they are all applied to court proceedings or investigations. Court proceedings can't happen without a prosecution and a prosecution can't happen without a law to define the crime. So, what about investigations? Well for that you need probable cause which again requires a law to define the crime that validates the cause.

Now remember what I said in the first part of this response... presidents don't make the laws. Trump is directing his agents to enforce his own EXECUTIVE policies not the LAW as it's written by Congress. This is how we know Sessions is lying about the Supremacy Clause and I'm sure he knows it but he's trying to play that card anyway.

So... we're still missing that law mac... Your lynch mob needs a federal law that clearly states children of any age can be found guilty of illegal entry or they need to back the f*ck off.
OK... br br HERE are the federal laws that deal ... (show quote)


Gee, you admit that Obama should not established DACA and hence those "children" are subject to deportation as is any illegal alien?

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Mar 28, 2018 18:16:58   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
mactheknife wrote:

Gee, you admit that Obama should not established DACA and hence those "children" are subject to deportation as is any illegal alien?

Obama had every right to establish DACA and because it's an executive policy, NOT a law, it has no bearing on whether or not the dreamers can be legally deported. All DACA did was instruct federal agents to focus on illegal immigrants that have clearly broken federal laws while deferring action on dreamers until Congress can pull their heads out of their ass make a decision about them. That's why it's called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals... get it?

By the way, the law that Congress can't seem to write, is the one you haven't been able to find.

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Mar 28, 2018 18:41:13   #
mactheknife
 
straightUp wrote:
Obama had every right to establish DACA and because it's an executive policy, NOT a law, it has no bearing on whether or not the dreamers can be legally deported. All DACA did was instruct federal agents to focus on illegal immigrants that have clearly broken federal laws while deferring action on dreamers until Congress can pull their heads out of their ass make a decision about them. That's why it's called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals... get it?

By the way, the law that Congress can't seem to write, is the one you haven't been able to find.
Obama had every right to establish DACA and becaus... (show quote)


I don't know how many times we have to tell you but all illegal aliens broke our laws by coming here without an immigrant visa. What is it about this that you cannot understand? Do you want us to be a nation of laws or do you want chaos to reign? You have to make up you mind once and for all. No more excuses, our civilization is at stake and the majority of Americans will fight you to the death over this issue. Smarten up!

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