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Feb 20, 2014 16:39:25   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
bobgssc wrote:
Unfortunately, Hilary Clinton is probably the follow-up to this administration which means a tough uphill battle except that there very well may be a huge shift to the right in both houses as many people have woken up after losing everything. I really don't think the Republicans have a strong enough candidate and unfortunately, I don't really see anyone intelligent enough to fix our problems. Stop Spending! Sounds so simple but not quite as easy when it actually comes down to it. I do agree with a recent post that basically amounted to we need to toss out the tax code and put a much simpler and fairer copy in place, but that will take years (why is it harder to simplify?) Of course all this is just my NTBHO. I think by 2016, the true effects of ACA will become apparent, between increased taxes to cover the supplements and inflation due to employers increased health care costs (I know it isn't all employers, but every employer of over 50 is a HUGE number). I really think by then we'll be in dire straits and the country will be begging for some magic Messiah to save us, but it won't be done in one term, regardless of who we find.
Oh, and no matter how good the next leader is, there will still be people on boards like this, bitching like we are now.
I mentioned before how I left my signed letter of congratulations from Bill Clinton (everyone retiring from the military gets a letter of thanks signed by the President, I wasn't anybody special) on the table where it was presented but I have to admit... even he doesn't look quite so bad now.
Unfortunately, Hilary Clinton is probably the foll... (show quote)


Just stopping spending ain't going to do the trick either. A few posts up Guardian made the comment that there are no mfg. jobs anymore in America. Not only no mfg jobs, but NO JOBS PERIOD! I read the other day, but can't lay my hands on it so I can't quote the exact figures, there were literally several thousand job applicants for 400 some jobs at a new frickin crappiest job Walmart! No jobs and what is available low paying jobs = no tax base. A different article on same topic. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/01/10/jobs-americans-paul-craig-roberts/
Guardian also mentioned the off shoring of mfg jobs (very true) and in another post that the liberals are raping the country (maybe not so true). Sorry, but it is the 1% that are raping the country not only by off shoring mfg jobs (and getting rich for that), but importing foreign labor to replace workers here and to add insult to injury, our workers are training the foreigners before getting laid off (and getting richer for that). BOTH parties are owned by big money. The 1% got theirs and could give a rats. They got it not by their own "work" but by having no allegiance to America and by end running or eliminating regulations altogether. Greed boys, greed (one of the 7 deadly sins for those so inclined to subscribe to that Book). No, and again I am not a big fan of Obama, but at least he has given lip service to giving tax breaks to companies who bring GOOD jobs back home. I would add, ought to tax the hell out of multinationals that ship jobs overseas. But I doubt that can be done. See rule one...BOTH parties are owned be big bucks.

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Feb 20, 2014 16:47:24   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Guardian wrote:
Yes, I agree...blowing up people isn't a good thing. Blowing up terrorists is, however. Many women and their children have been rescued from those muslim countries...with the help of the Military. So, not everyone is being blown up. It's extremely difficult to change a culture that has been male driven for centuries, to try to show them that what they are doing to their women and children is unacceptable, but our military presence in those countries has done that and more. Many of those muslim men are now without families. Whether they can understand why, no one knows. But it has changed the environment for the women and children still living there, hopefully for the better.

There is a saying that says if you can help but one person, you have made a difference. Let's hope the many women and children our Military have helped has made a huge difference for those still living under the horrific circumstances. Taking away a man's slaves, sexual or working, definitely gives him reason to ponder why this happened. It will take decades to make a significant change, but traditions as old as these must be approached with baby steps...
Yes, I agree...blowing up people isn't a good thin... (show quote)


Yes, you do have some good points (ie. if you help one person you make a difference), but I think you might be somewhat grasping at straws for justification/rationalization for the use of the military. I would hardly call the use of the military approaching with "baby steps".

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Feb 20, 2014 17:02:23   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cesspool jones wrote:
isn't it funny how libs distort facts and truth (hard drugs to libs) to support their fantasy world? last i knew, colin powell went to congress and war was declared by a landslide congress. yea, now all these armchair assholes on OPP use flawed intelligence as made up intelligence and they seem to know the middle east like i know main street. what a bunch of pathetic puppets!!


Cesspool my dear. It was colin powell that used "distorted facts" when he went in front of congress to get the landslide vote. If the last you know is that collin powell went to congress then perhaps you are the armchair asshole Hmmm? Who later turn coated on the bush admin because he had been lied to and made an ass out of hisself infront of congress with duped "intell". SURPRISE!! Collin Powell.

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Feb 20, 2014 17:08:26   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
LAwrence wrote:
If Obama declares martial law and cancels election we will of course be in a dictatorship. On the other hand, if we have elections, the dumbned down electorate will choose another Obama or Clinton or Bush and continue down the deep slide to destruction.


Very same rumors were flying toward the end of W's regime. One day one of them might get it done, but I don't think now...

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Feb 20, 2014 17:12:45   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
LAwrence wrote:
Yes. The prophecy of the coming tribulation and God's judgement on a Christ rejecting world. Then follows the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.


Likely be better than we have now. Onlyest thing all the religious folks are going to learn that Christ is a LIBERAL!!! http://theweek.com/article/index/256556/how-christianity-gave-us-gay-marriage

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Feb 20, 2014 17:21:56   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
Every tyranny is decided the first six months it has reached a state of power, this has been a tyranny going back to 2009, read the violations against the Constitution, and how his political campaigning was strictly based on "protest" not the resolution of the real issues that we faced, this 'Autocratic Feudalism' has reassured their lawless activities by claiming either 'racism, homo phobic, or Islamo-phobia' as the problem, we must face, while it is obvious his loyalty is with Al'Qaeda and Qatar, since 2009, our country has stopped being a Judeo-Christian one this according to his speech in Turkey, that same year, realize this happened while the Arab Revolt [Spring] was planned, in Turkey, the home to first jihad, this one ignored Genocide began is 1895 and ended in 1917 with more than two million dead, it was the precursor to the Holocaust, and even better "Tehcir Law" became the Nuremberg Laws for the Third Reich in 1935, but like in the Ottomans they had their 'dry runs' Not mention how some of the participants in Armenia's Genocide, later moved on to S.S. Head Heinrich Himmler, to make the "final solution" be effective.
www.nyyrc.com/blog. Who is Amin al'Husseyni? What after many years of research, I must say is the most accurate concise treatment of this mass murderer, responsible for the friction between the two Semites the Hebrew and the Arab, and the 'person' who changed the meaning of Semite to exclude the Arabs, from the Semite narrative, this he managed to by appealing to Eichmann, Himmler and all involved in the final preparations to fulfill what that improvised version Genocide's evolution would be, eventually Holocaust was another word brought to the vocabulary by that "peaceful religion" Obama sponsors from his Caliphate.
Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler was Constitutionally elected to that post, on January 29th. 1933, by March he had been granted the "Enabling Act" this gave him 'dictatorial powers' along with the ability to rule by 'decree' his escalation by 'executive order' made the "Prerogative of the Leader" the rule of law, in the six and a half months from his election, the Weinmar Republic, and its Constitution ceased to exist it lasted from 1919 to 1933, and the Third Reich was born.
Disturbing is the similarity, it was a six year time span, until the "One Party" Collectivist and Total Government had to establish power with a Total War, research the conditions and excuses for the invasion of Poland in 1939, this is based on the Group Speech, of 'moral responsibility' suspiciously the arguments can be interchange with Syria, false accusations of W.M.D.'s and the "atrocities of Poland" against Germans, the Sarin narrative disappeared from the news, when it was revealed Turkey had transferred some eight tons of chemical weapons prior to what was said to be Assad's retaliation against the 'rebels' being armed by Obama's true interest, the ascendancy of the Muslim Brotherhood, to control and govern the region.
Largely due to Syria and Libya's refusal to join the Arab Revolt, it took NATO for a ride,too late to reverse and has ended in the Christian Genocide, faced by Egypt, the later as well as the Islamic Maghreb, it is no wonder, Al'Qaeda's military objectives are the Christian Communities that predate Islam, not the military installations, these would cause them death, in a jihadi kind of way. All religions came from what was once called the 'cradle of civilization.'

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Feb 20, 2014 17:39:34   #
Liberty Tree
 
LAwrence wrote:
If Obama declares martial law and cancels election we will of course be in a dictatorship. On the other hand, if we have elections, the dumbned down electorate will choose another Obama or Clinton or Bush and continue down the deep slide to destruction.


If Obama did that all his koolaod drinking followers would cheer. They would no longer have to seek out liberal judges to misapply the Constitution to get their way. The Constitution will be gone and they will be happy while the country is destroyed.

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Feb 20, 2014 19:08:49   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
If Obama did that all his koolaod drinking followers would cheer. They would no longer have to seek out liberal judges to misapply the Constitution to get their way. The Constitution will be gone and they will be happy while the country is destroyed.


Give me a break

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Feb 20, 2014 19:10:19   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Btfkr wrote:
Give me a break


where? arm, leg, neck, back

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Feb 20, 2014 19:13:23   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
alex wrote:
where? arm, leg, neck, back


Oh no another comedian...now I best get out my funny hat. Watch out sweety

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Feb 20, 2014 19:54:45   #
Guardian
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
If Obama did that all his koolaod drinking followers would cheer. They would no longer have to seek out liberal judges to misapply the Constitution to get their way. The Constitution will be gone and they will be happy while the country is destroyed.


Obama may think he is "King" of the United States, but this is not a monarchy, but a Democracy. He is the worst president to enter the White House in decades and needs to be removed by Impeachment. And, yes, he has done treasonist things like abandoning his post to go campaigning when our 4 Americans in Benghazi were screaming for their lives. Neither he nor clinton were at their posts. They may as well as held the sabres that killed our people, by not doing their duties as President and Secretary of State. Both LOSERS big time, neither moral and both narcisstic only after their own immediate needs. They do not belong in any position of power, yet the clueless uneducated masses voted them in. If any of those ignorant people had done some research on the fraud, they would have found out that he is indeed in our presidency illegally, a fact I discovered in 2008 just before the election. TMI, but here's the short version. While reading an article written in a prestigious magazine before the election, it was brought to my attention that some heavy duty research and interviews were conducted to find out about bho's background. Not only did the interviewer speak with obama's grandmother who was present at his birth, but he also spoke with the "midwife" that delivered him in a village -- not a huge hospital in Honolulu. Then the interviewer spoke with the Chief and some elders of the village where bho was born and they all were so delighted that one of their OWN VILLAGE MEMBERS was going to possibly be President of the U.S. Very impressive to them. The article gave the names of the chief and his people under him who the interviewer spoke with...and pictures.

So after reading this, I realized that he was not a citizen, but a fraud trying to pass off that he was born in the U.S. As usual, everything that comes out of his mouth are lies, so I wasn't too surprised to learn he had all his documents buried deep, hidden from any scrutiny from Congress or anyone else. Soon people on all walks of life were demanding to see his birth certificate while bho's supporters started heckling them by calling them "birthers"...to try to pull attention away from bho. Those that know can't be changed. By bho's actions alone, he has proven
1.) he knows nothing about running a country 2.) he knows nothing about controlling spending 3.) he knows nothing about securing a military to defend us should any other country wish to challenge us 4.) his birth certificate IS A FAKE - proven by numerous software technology experts 5.) he is arrogant, narcisstic, and egotistical 6.) he has temper tantrums in the White House when he doesn't get what he wants - verified by his closest aide 7.) he smoked pot frequently when a young adult and 8.) preferred the company of young men instead of women -- no woman has been found to have dated or even interested in bho in his youth.

So, do you think his whole life was "created" so the American people would think he was as American as they? Who was the creator and what is his agenda? So no wonder he and Michelle always look like they could spit nails...perhaps this is a contrived marriage? Where did the girls come from? Were they Michelle's and did they come along with the "Happy American Family" package? Someone is trying to convince Americans that bho is genuinely interested in making America greater, when in reality, all his actions have destroyed a part of our country and our lives...obamacausticcare being one of the worst legislations to ever become a law. The only way they managed to make it a law is by using a Commerce clause and tax. Then we had an empty headed idiot old woman, pelosi, who said to "sign it, you can read it later". Can you absolutely imagine anyone doing what she says without thinking? Yet our Congress passed this monstrocity and now they are trying to implement it -- and it's not working. If they manage to implement it, you can kiss this country good bye because all the money left in our coffers will have disappeared. obama has kept his word and America has been cut to her knees. Let's hope the elections this year bring in a new crop of younger, more intelligent Congressmen, with a love for this country instead of filling their pockets with gold.

By the way, it has been proven in a court of law that the last election was "Fixed" (by obama's drones) and the states that did not clean up their voter rosters have been penalized...too late for America, but none the less, the states now have the dead removed and criminals removed, etc. so no one can use their information to vote. Photo IDs need to be mandatory for anyone to vote. Many states already have this requirement.

Time for people to find their conscience and rebuild our Country to who she was. bho has no clue how to do that and wouldn't do it anyway. His agenda was to level America's position so she no longer was a controlling force. You know, like he has done by taking away jobs and people's pride, so everyone can be on welfare and struggle like the lazy and worthless. I know, not all of them are lazy and worthless, but if you read about what numerous people are doing to rob the Welfare system, you might change your attitude about this govt. breast feeding them.

Yes, I tried to locate that magazine in 2012 and there are no copies of it anywhere, at least not that edition. Interesting how anything that shows obama in disfavor mysteriously disappears. So, is there is a "Master Puppeteer" behind obama and his actions? If so, who is it?

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Feb 20, 2014 19:59:21   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Guardian wrote:
Obama may think he is "King" of the United States, but this is not a monarchy, but a Democracy. He is the worst president to enter the White House in decades and needs to be removed by Impeachment. And, yes, he has done treasonist things like abandoning his post to go campaigning when our 4 Americans in Benghazi were screaming for their lives. Neither he nor clinton were at their posts. They may as well as held the sabres that killed our people, by not doing their duties as President and Secretary of State. Both LOSERS big time, neither moral and both narcisstic only after their own immediate needs. They do not belong in any position of power, yet the clueless uneducated masses voted them in. If any of those ignorant people had done some research on the fraud, they would have found out that he is indeed in our presidency illegally, a fact I discovered in 2008 just before the election. TMI, but here's the short version. While reading an article written in a prestigious magazine before the election, it was brought to my attention that some heavy duty research and interviews were conducted to find out about bho's background. Not only did the interviewer speak with obama's grandmother who was present at his birth, but he also spoke with the "midwife" that delivered him in a village -- not a huge hospital in Honolulu. Then the interviewer spoke with the Chief and some elders of the village where bho was born and they all were so delighted that one of their OWN VILLAGE MEMBERS was going to possibly be President of the U.S. Very impressive to them. The article gave the names of the chief and his people under him who the interviewer spoke with...and pictures.

So after reading this, I realized that he was not a citizen, but a fraud trying to pass off that he was born in the U.S. As usual, everything that comes out of his mouth are lies, so I wasn't too surprised to learn he had all his documents buried deep, hidden from any scrutiny from Congress or anyone else. Soon people on all walks of life were demanding to see his birth certificate while bho's supporters started heckling them by calling them "birthers"...to try to pull attention away from bho. Those that know can't be changed. By bho's actions alone, he has proven
1.) he knows nothing about running a country 2.) he knows nothing about controlling spending 3.) he knows nothing about securing a military to defend us should any other country wish to challenge us 4.) his birth certificate IS A FAKE - proven by numerous software technology experts 5.) he is arrogant, narcisstic, and egotistical 6.) he has temper tantrums in the White House when he doesn't get what he wants - verified by his closest aide 7.) he smoked pot frequently when a young adult and 8.) preferred the company of young men instead of women -- no woman has been found to have dated or even interested in bho in his youth.

So, do you think his whole life was "created" so the American people would think he was as American as they? Who was the creator and what is his agenda? So no wonder he and Michelle always look like they could spit nails...perhaps this is a contrived marriage? Where did the girls come from? Were they Michelle's and did they come along with the "Happy American Family" package? Someone is trying to convince Americans that bho is genuinely interested in making America greater, when in reality, all his actions have destroyed a part of our country and our lives...obamacausticcare being one of the worst legislations to ever become a law. The only way they managed to make it a law is by using a Commerce clause and tax. Then we had an empty headed idiot old woman, pelosi, who said to "sign it, you can read it later". Can you absolutely imagine anyone doing what she says without thinking? Yet our Congress passed this monstrocity and now they are trying to implement it -- and it's not working. If they manage to implement it, you can kiss this country good bye because all the money left in our coffers will have disappeared. obama has kept his word and America has been cut to her knees. Let's hope the elections this year bring in a new crop of younger, more intelligent Congressmen, with a love for this country instead of filling their pockets with gold.

By the way, it has been proven in a court of law that the last election was "Fixed" (by obama's drones) and the states that did not clean up their voter rosters have been penalized...too late for America, but none the less, the states now have the dead removed and criminals removed, etc. so no one can use their information to vote. Photo IDs need to be mandatory for anyone to vote. Many states already have this requirement.

Time for people to find their conscience and rebuild our Country to who she was. bho has no clue how to do that and wouldn't do it anyway. His agenda was to level America's position so she no longer was a controlling force. You know, like he has done by taking away jobs and people's pride, so everyone can be on welfare and struggle like the lazy and worthless. I know, not all of them are lazy and worthless, but if you read about what numerous people are doing to rob the Welfare system, you might change your attitude about this govt. breast feeding them.

Yes, I tried to locate that magazine in 2012 and there are no copies of it anywhere, at least not that edition. Interesting how anything that shows obama in disfavor mysteriously disappears. So, is there is a "Master Puppeteer" behind obama and his actions? If so, who is it?
Obama may think he is "King" of the Unit... (show quote)

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY

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Feb 20, 2014 20:08:07   #
Liberty Tree
 
alex wrote:
WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY


If Obama has his way we will not be a republic.

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Feb 20, 2014 20:09:10   #
Liberty Tree
 
Btfkr wrote:
Give me a break



It is the country that is about to break.

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Feb 20, 2014 20:17:11   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
It is the country that is about to break.


Indeed it is but not for the reasons posted here.

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