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Feb 19, 2014 21:04:21   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Defining ObamaCare:
To insure the uninsured, first we make the
insured uninsured. Then we make the formerly
insured pay more to become re-insured to insure
the uninsured for free

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Feb 19, 2014 21:34:41   #
mpix Loc: NorCal
 
hprinze wrote:
Defining ObamaCare:
To insure the uninsured, first we make the
insured uninsured. Then we make the formerly
insured pay more to become re-insured to insure
the uninsured for free


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Feb 19, 2014 21:49:29   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
hprinze wrote:
Defining ObamaCare:
To insure the uninsured, first we make the
insured uninsured. Then we make the formerly
insured pay more to become re-insured to insure
the uninsured for free


Here is another issue. I have an adopted daughter, I put her on my insurance in 2013. She is under medical and physiological care. My deduction was $500 each year. I know, great insurance plan. Anyway, on 1 January 2014 my premiums went up.....by about $300 a month, my deductible went up to $1200, still not too bad. Today I went to get her medication.....the price has tripled. So, thank you Obama for "giving" me a break!

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Feb 19, 2014 22:14:46   #
Blue Flu Loc: HHI
 
ginnyt wrote:
Here is another issue. I have an adopted daughter, I put her on my insurance in 2013. She is under medical and physiological care. My deduction was $500 each year. I know, great insurance plan. Anyway, on 1 January 2014 my premiums went up.....by about $300 a month, my deductible went up to $1200, still not too bad. Today I went to get her medication.....the price has tripled. So, thank you Obama for "giving" me a break!


You were able to keep your insurance but just not at the same old rate. Isn't HE somethin'?
My neighbor lost his insurance. I guess it was because deep down inside he didn't really LIKE his insurance. I told him that somehow Obama found this out. Then I had to remind him of the NSA spying on us. This proves that you gotta watch out what you say on the telephone these days.
Ya see, ObamaCare uses ALL Government departments including the IRS to ensure that his signature legislation is running smoothly.

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Feb 19, 2014 22:30:39   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years and have never used. I put Nancy on it, last year when she came to live with us. Over the years, I have had increases in what I pay, but now it is a sticker shock! Oh well, she is worth it.

I know that the government has had eyes on us for many years. I worked for the government and helped build some computer tools that allowed such snooping. At the time, I was sure that I was doing my part to help keep the US safe. Now I am not so sure. I guess it is how the tools are used. In years past, we kept tabs on who came into the country and some we watched their bank accounts. Now they are using the tools to watch the average American who is doing no more than going to work and raising their families. Someday, and I think it will be sooner rather than later, our homes will be wired so our every more can be watched and recorded. The internet is already controlled, only a selected and approved WEB addresses are being allowed. Our phones are monitored. Televisions that are "smart" or connected to the net allows you to be observed in your boxer shorts watching the weekly Nascar. It will not be a big step to tie into our home security cameras......Now are you going to have nightmares?

Blue Flu wrote:
You were able to keep your insurance but just not at the same old rate. Isn't HE somethin'?
My neighbor lost his insurance. I guess it was because deep down inside he didn't really LIKE his insurance. I told him that somehow Obama found this out. Then I had to remind him of the NSA spying on us. This proves that you gotta watch out what you say on the telephone these days.
Ya see, ObamaCare uses ALL Government departments including the IRS to ensure that his signature legislation is running smoothly.
You were able to keep your insurance but just not ... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2014 23:00:22   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
ginnyt wrote:
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years and have never used. I put Nancy on it, last year when she came to live with us. Over the years, I have had increases in what I pay, but now it is a sticker shock! Oh well, she is worth it.

I know that the government has had eyes on us for many years. I worked for the government and helped build some computer tools that allowed such snooping. At the time, I was sure that I was doing my part to help keep the US safe. Now I am not so sure. I guess it is how the tools are used. In years past, we kept tabs on who came into the country and some we watched their bank accounts. Now they are using the tools to watch the average American who is doing no more than going to work and raising their families. Someday, and I think it will be sooner rather than later, our homes will be wired so our every more can be watched and recorded. The internet is already controlled, only a selected and approved WEB addresses are being allowed. Our phones are monitored. Televisions that are "smart" or connected to the net allows you to be observed in your boxer shorts watching the weekly Nascar. It will not be a big step to tie into our home security cameras......Now are you going to have nightmares?
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years ... (show quote)


No, because I don't have any of that. I still have a dumb TV and my computer is to slow for anything like pictures, so I don't even have a camera on it. My cell phone is always turned down so they can't peek and I have no cable, so they can't tie into that. In short, my house is back in the 90's or so and I still have some privacy left. I know they can listen to me on my cell phone, but mostly what they hear is silence. They can watch me type on forums like this though.

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Feb 19, 2014 23:05:39   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am thinking about going back in time and relieving myself of some of my gismos. You know when you are away from home you are being scanned, photographed, and stored in a computer. Those traffic cameras store the photos of plates and the occupants.... your bank takes videos of you, fast food, even your local circle K .... lots of stored information.
MrEd wrote:
No, because I don't have any of that. I still have a dumb TV and my computer is to slow for anything like pictures, so I don't even have a camera on it. My cell phone is always turned down so they can't peek and I have no cable, so they can't tie into that. In short, my house is back in the 90's or so and I still have some privacy left. I know they can listen to me on my cell phone, but mostly what they hear is silence. They can watch me type on forums like this though.

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Feb 19, 2014 23:24:19   #
bobgssc
 
ginnyt wrote:
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years and have never used. I put Nancy on it, last year when she came to live with us. Over the years, I have had increases in what I pay, but now it is a sticker shock! Oh well, she is worth it.

I know that the government has had eyes on us for many years. I worked for the government and helped build some computer tools that allowed such snooping. At the time, I was sure that I was doing my part to help keep the US safe. Now I am not so sure. I guess it is how the tools are used. In years past, we kept tabs on who came into the country and some we watched their bank accounts. Now they are using the tools to watch the average American who is doing no more than going to work and raising their families. Someday, and I think it will be sooner rather than later, our homes will be wired so our every more can be watched and recorded. The internet is already controlled, only a selected and approved WEB addresses are being allowed. Our phones are monitored. Televisions that are "smart" or connected to the net allows you to be observed in your boxer shorts watching the weekly Nascar. It will not be a big step to tie into our home security cameras......Now are you going to have nightmares?
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years ... (show quote)


I believe someone needs their med adjusted just a touch.

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Feb 19, 2014 23:40:44   #
Blue Flu Loc: HHI
 
ginnyt wrote:
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years and have never used. I put Nancy on it, last year when she came to live with us. Over the years, I have had increases in what I pay, but now it is a sticker shock! Oh well, she is worth it.

I know that the government has had eyes on us for many years. I worked for the government and helped build some computer tools that allowed such snooping. At the time, I was sure that I was doing my part to help keep the US safe. Now I am not so sure. I guess it is how the tools are used. In years past, we kept tabs on who came into the country and some we watched their bank accounts. Now they are using the tools to watch the average American who is doing no more than going to work and raising their families. Someday, and I think it will be sooner rather than later, our homes will be wired so our every more can be watched and recorded. The internet is already controlled, only a selected and approved WEB addresses are being allowed. Our phones are monitored. Televisions that are "smart" or connected to the net allows you to be observed in your boxer shorts watching the weekly Nascar. It will not be a big step to tie into our home security cameras......Now are you going to have nightmares?
I kept the insurance that I have had for 35 years ... (show quote)


I hope so. I enjoy nightmares. I like faulty plumbing and sand in my bed too. I spent 30 years as a big city cop...over 1/3 of that time in the worst part of town. It was so bad that property values were routinely revised downwards.
I was attached to DEA back in the 80's at their request.
That's another story and a long one.
Anyway, the DEA group that I worked with out of a Federal building had assets Jimmy Bond (aka James) would have been envious of. All kinds of surveillance gear and tracking devices were part of their arsenal. On top of that, I was amazed to see IRS agents compiling tax records on each of the kingpins that we were targeting. The idea was that if the drug charges were somehow beaten in Federal Court the violation of tax laws would trip them up.
Later, after being reassigned to my PD I saw that Lyndon LaRouche, who was both an idiot and a thorn in the side of our Government, was arrested and served time. That's when I knew that like in Hitler's Germany any citizen could be arrested if our Government so desired.
Does that give you nightmares?

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Feb 19, 2014 23:51:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
bobgssc wrote:
I believe someone needs their med adjusted just a touch.


Are you implying that what I wrote is not real. Take a trip to your local police department and ask about the cameras. Or your local 7-11, your bank.....any of them, they will tell you the truth.

BTW, I do not take medication. I have no need. I get a physical once each year and so far I am healthy. I weight what I did when I was 21, I wear the same size which is a 4, I do not have high blood pressure, diabetes, or any other issues. I run 5 miles each morning and I am 64. I held a TS (top secret) with an EBI (exploratory background investigation) with so many "tickets" attached and vetted for many secure installations for over 40 years with the government which included mental evaluations and polygraph tests every 6 months. I also had to give samples of fluids for drug testing. I never had a problem passing any of them.

So, how is your health? And what branch of service did you serve? What is your security clearance level?

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Feb 19, 2014 23:54:13   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
No nightmares, but I do find your life and this glimpse into it very interesting.

Blue Flu wrote:
I hope so. I enjoy nightmares. I like faulty plumbing and sand in my bed too. I spent 30 years as a big city cop...over 1/3 of that time in the worst part of town. It was so bad that property values were routinely revised downwards.
I was attached to DEA back in the 80's at their request.
That's another story and a long one.
Anyway, the DEA group that I worked with out of a Federal building had assets Jimmy Bond (aka James) would have been envious of. All kinds of surveillance gear and tracking devices were part of their arsenal. On top of that, I was amazed to see IRS agents compiling tax records on each of the kingpins that we were targeting. The idea was that if the drug charges were somehow beaten in Federal Court the violation of tax laws would trip them up.
Later, after being reassigned to my PD I saw that Lyndon LaRouche, who was both an idiot and a thorn in the side of our Government, was arrested and served time. That's when I knew that like in Hitler's Germany any citizen could be arrested if our Government so desired.
Does that give you nightmares?
I hope so. I enjoy nightmares. I like faulty plumb... (show quote)

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Feb 20, 2014 01:38:31   #
bobgssc
 
ginnyt wrote:
Are you implying that what I wrote is not real. Take a trip to your local police department and ask about the cameras. Or your local 7-11, your bank.....any of them, they will tell you the truth.

BTW, I do not take medication. I have no need. I get a physical once each year and so far I am healthy. I weight what I did when I was 21, I wear the same size which is a 4, I do not have high blood pressure, diabetes, or any other issues. I run 5 miles each morning and I am 64. I held a TS (top secret) with an EBI (exploratory background investigation) with so many "tickets" attached and vetted for many secure installations for over 40 years with the government which included mental evaluations and polygraph tests every 6 months. I also had to give samples of fluids for drug testing. I never had a problem passing any of them.

So, how is your health? And what branch of service did you serve? What is your security clearance level?
Are you implying that what I wrote is not real. T... (show quote)


First, thanks for your resume. I spent 20 years in the United States Air Force. I'm quite familiar with security cameras (including those in 7-11), as far as my clearance, you do not have the need to know. I'm not familiar with an EBI special access, but I am familiar enough with security clearances to know that the name, not acronym of a "special access" assignment to a TS clearance (which is what your claim of an EBI would mean) is classified in itself and if you are telling the truth, then you could possibly be committing a felony by trying to impress people on this board.
At the same time, I am not paranoid that the government can watch me through my smart tv. Always remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you. Feel free to retort and blow out all kinds of impressive crap, I'll unwatch this so I'm not interupted by any further of your twaddle.

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Feb 20, 2014 03:09:58   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
The acronym of TS is common knowledge, even among some civilians. You may have spent 20 years, I am not impressed. Most that make it to 15 stay for the 20 so they can retire. An EBI is only the background investigation effort, and I defined that in my comment. That is also common knowledge to military people, which you claim to have been. I did not tell you a name of a program, a site, contents or any other information. I signed my disclosure papers and I know that many of the things that I handled will remain classified long after I am dead.

If you do not believe that a smart TV can be hacked, you should have been at the Samsung conference where it was demonstrated. Here is a link: http://mashable.com/2013/08/02/samsung-smart-tv-hack/ I still go to the events, the last one was in Las Vegas. Smart TVs, like Xbox and Skype have the same vulnerabilities. You can also google Black Hat, they have the most current information on computers and their vulnerabilities.

You must have retired a very long time ago and have not kept abreast of technologies. There are few, if any computers that can not be hacked. That includes your car. It is so stupid and easy; even the "how to" is on the net. But, here is an article: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/hacking-keyless-car-entry-systems-is-easy-study-shows/ Do some research for the next time, you will appear less out of step with current events and technologies.

BTW, I did not give you my resume. I have no intent of working for or with you. You questioned my state of heath, so I answered your question. No more, no less.

Have a wonderful night AIRMAN.

bobgssc wrote:
First, thanks for your resume. I spent 20 years in the United States Air Force. I'm quite familiar with security cameras (including those in 7-11), as far as my clearance, you do not have the need to know. I'm not familiar with an EBI special access, but I am familiar enough with security clearances to know that the name, not acronym of a "special access" assignment to a TS clearance (which is what your claim of an EBI would mean) is classified in itself and if you are telling the truth, then you could possibly be committing a felony by trying to impress people on this board.
At the same time, I am not paranoid that the government can watch me through my smart tv. Always remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you. Feel free to retort and blow out all kinds of impressive crap, I'll unwatch this so I'm not interupted by any further of your twaddle.
First, thanks for your resume. I spent 20 years in... (show quote)

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Feb 20, 2014 04:02:32   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
ginnyt wrote:
The acronym of TS is common knowledge, even among some civilians. You may have spent 20 years, I am not impressed. Most that make it to 15 stay for the 20 so they can retire. An EBI is only the background investigation effort, and I defined that in my comment. That is also common knowledge to military people, which you claim to have been. I did not tell you a name of a program, a site, contents or any other information. I signed my disclosure papers and I know that many of the things that I handled will remain classified long after I am dead.

If you do not believe that a smart TV can be hacked, you should have been at the Samsung conference where it was demonstrated. Here is a link: http://mashable.com/2013/08/02/samsung-smart-tv-hack/ I still go to the events, the last one was in Las Vegas. Smart TVs, like Xbox and Skype have the same vulnerabilities. You can also google Black Hat, they have the most current information on computers and their vulnerabilities.

You must have retired a very long time ago and have not kept abreast of technologies. There are few, if any computers that can not be hacked. That includes your car. It is so stupid and easy; even the "how to" is on the net. But, here is an article: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/hacking-keyless-car-entry-systems-is-easy-study-shows/ Do some research for the next time, you will appear less out of step with current events and technologies.

BTW, I did not give you my resume. I have no intent of working for or with you. You questioned my state of heath, so I answered your question. No more, no less.

Have a wonderful night AIRMAN.

bobgssc wrote:
First, thanks for your resume. I spent 20 years in the United States Air Force. I'm quite familiar with security cameras (including those in 7-11), as far as my clearance, you do not have the need to know. I'm not familiar with an EBI special access, but I am familiar enough with security clearances to know that the name, not acronym of a "special access" assignment to a TS clearance (which is what your claim of an EBI would mean) is classified in itself and if you are telling the truth, then you could possibly be committing a felony by trying to impress people on this board.
At the same time, I am not paranoid that the government can watch me through my smart tv. Always remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you. Feel free to retort and blow out all kinds of impressive crap, I'll unwatch this so I'm not interupted by any further of your twaddle.
First, thanks for your resume. I spent 20 years in... (show quote)
The acronym of TS is common knowledge, even among ... (show quote)


The caravan just left "the fort" and is on the way to arrest you for using terms that are common knowledge. :lol: :roll: I will attempt to block the lanes, though they are pretty wide open at this hour. :-) :x :roll: 8-)

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Feb 20, 2014 04:45:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
AuntiE wrote:
The caravan just left "the fort" and is on the way to arrest you for using terms that are common knowledge. :lol: :roll: I will attempt to block the lanes, though they are pretty wide open at this hour. :-) :x :roll: 8-)

I guess I need to run for cover! I am sure to spend time at the fort for this................ :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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