Faith Healing for kids. Is it right? Hell no! God gave us Common Sense, to go along with our Spiritual Faith. Withholding a child's simple medical care to save them from very treatable...

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

Hell no! God gave us Common Sense, to go along with our Spiritual Faith. Withholding a child's simple medical care to save them from very treatable case of pneumonia should be a murder call. My opinion anyway.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/faith-healing-parents-get-prison-sons-death-n33921

Back in the early 90's it was on the news that a specific religion had their Priest die, and the other Priests kept him on a bed in the Church for days after his death- trying to pray the corpse to life. Sick!

bobgssc

rhomin57 wrote:

Hell no! God gave us Common Sense, to go along wit... (show quote)

While I'm a huge proponent of freedom of religion, the excuse of religious beliefs has also cause the resurgence of Pertussis, TB, and Polio. We have to find a balance.
Back on this story, why did they have children without some form of supervision since they were on probation for the death of a child 4 years previous? Finally, spending 3 years in prison is nothing to what they will live with the rest of their lives. Having lost a child in an accident, I can tell you that "God had a special purpose for him" DOES NOT RELIEVE THE SUFFERING! Regardless of what they might spout in public, I have to believe they do much crying behind closed doors (or bars for now) regardless of religious belief.

Sorry for yelling, peace out everyone.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

boy do I agree with you! A lot of the reappearance of those illness you mentioned are due to the possible threat of autism occurring after childhood vaccinations.
You know the government is aware of the 'possibility' of autism due to vaccinations in children, yet, decided that the few it may happen too does not out weigh the benefits to the many. What do you do with that??

bobgssc wrote:

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I have faith in God, I put my trust in him. But, here is the thing. God gave us people who are caring and they become doctors. So, taking your child, mother, father..... does not go against God and in fact shows respect to him by taking care of those who are ill. Doctors practice medicine, but would not be able to heal without the gifts from God.

bobgssc wrote:

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rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

There are many Christian Faith based physicians.
I wonder if that couple in the Link have ever gone to a dr. and what would they do if either one of them developed pneumonia.

ginnyt wrote:

I have faith in God, I put my trust in him. But, here is the thing. God gave us people who are caring and they become doctors. So, taking your child, mother, father..... does not go against God and in fact shows respect to him by taking care of those who are ill. Doctors practice medicine, but would not be able to heal without the gifts from God.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The doctors I take my child to are very religious people (male physician and a female psychologist). They go to my synagogue and sit on the council. Both will tell you that healing is 90 percent from your belief (not necessarily in God) that you can become well. They also believe in prayer, the power of positive thoughts, and herbal medicine. After all, most of our medicines used to come from nature and plants.

I doubt if these people would go to a doctor. It seems as though they may believe that medicine is evil. I am sorry for their loss, and I feel horrible for the child. Pneumonia is not an easy death.

rhomin57 wrote:

There are many Christian Faith based physicians.
I wonder if that couple in the Link have ever gone to a dr. and what would they do if either one of them developed pneumonia.

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

I thought this was a mute point. Jehovah Witnesses are allowed to not administer blood transfusions last I heard. No jury on earth would convict I believe given the loss already suffered. We are again given a distorted version of the facts and until the whole story is presented I don't feel that an objective view can be given.
The poor parents that bought into that lie preached from the pulpit. The pastor is just if not more guilty in some aspects as these poor parents are. He is dangerous if thats what's coming over the pulpit to his congregation. I think that something is afoul and we can't decidee till all facts are on the table.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

They were convicted and sentenced 3 to 7 years. But, the arrest was made for parole violation coupled with the death of the 6 month old child. Here is a link; http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/faith-healing-parents-get-prison-sons-death-n33921

Jahovah Witness will now accept certain alternatives for transfusions, as long as it does not contain whole blood. See, http://www.pennmedicine.org/health_info/bloodless/000206.html for details.

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cant beleve wrote:

I thought this was a mute point. Jehovah Witnesses... (show quote)

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

A very valid post

rhomin57 wrote:

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cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

It has been along fight regarding Jehovah witnesses. Obviously they were afraid of going to trial so in that aspect they have gotten there just reward. That. Child was murdered and they were on parole?? That church I would bet is not preaching what they are claiming. But in case they are this is one case I hope is further investigated. My Bible doesn't say that your to dismiss the whole medical community advice and just believe in a miracle! Its ludicrous to believe otherwise. Benny Hymn types scare me,

ginnyt wrote:

They were convicted and sentenced 3 to 7 years. But, the arrest was made for parole violation coupled with the death of the 6 month old child. Here is a link; http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/faith-healing-parents-get-prison-sons-death-n33921

Jahovah Witness will now accept certain alternatives for transfusions, as long as it does not contain whole blood. See, http://www.pennmedicine.org/health_info/bloodless/000206.html for details.

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The JW started back about 10 years ago reviewing their stance on medication and the use of blood products. They are in the process of changing their entire stance on doctors; perhaps as you said they fear the legal consequences. I think it is more, I think that someone actually read the scriptures and understood that the parts regarding blood is more ... it is about being humane. Our doctors are a gift from God, they would not be able to understand or heal without his hand. Sorry, there I am on my soap box, no offence intended. I am just very religious.

Yes these people had a child die from the very same thing, pneumonia. When they were tried, they were given probation. There may have been a paragraph about that in the link I sent you. Anyway, when this child dies from the same thing, they were arrested initially for probation violation and then the case was built for the death. IMO, they got off easy with just 3-7. I could go into my reasons, but I will save you yet another rant.

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cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

They might have got of easy. But they won't be able to get 3 hots and a cot. I'm tired of paying for all the people locked up. And these guys won't use the excuse. "I found God while here " will need to convince the board when their time comes up. Maybe they will here an unadulterated version of God. In prison? We can only pray they do. God bless

ginnyt wrote:

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AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

rhomin57 wrote:

boy do I agree with you! A lot of the reappearance of those illness you mentioned are due to the possible threat of autism occurring after childhood vaccinations.
You know the government is aware of the 'possibility' of autism due to vaccinations in children, yet, decided that the few it may happen too does not out weigh the benefits to the many. What do you do with that??

A decade or two ago, England did a study on vaccines and age appropriate timing. The study found waiting several months reduced adverse reactions to the vaccines. If memory serves, the age of nine months up was found to have less adverse reactions.

The study, further, broke the vaccines down by disease being vaccinated for. It was the pertussis vaccine which caused the most adverse reaction.

I am needle abhorrent and hate to suggest our little ones receiving more shots; however, I do not think putting a "cocktail" of various medications in a little one is not a good idea. We may want to consider single vaccinations for, as the English did, for each disease.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Good morning AuntiE,

When I took Nancy in for shots (because no one had a health record for her) I insisted that she not be given all of them at one time. I am not sure if she would have had a reaction, after all she is not a baby, but I did not want her to have a cocktail of dead bugs being shot into her and having a reaction to one and not knowing which one. Speaking of shots, I just got one for pneumonia. I did not know that there was such a shot.

BTW, thank you for the help last night.

AuntiE wrote:

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cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

That pneumonia shot only covers a certain type and is good for seven years

ginnyt wrote:

Good morning AuntiE, br br When I took Nancy in f... (show quote)