pafret Loc: Northeast

Margaret Sanger was the founder and patron saint of Planned Parenthood and as part of her “inhumane life’s work” she “advocated for the extermination of African-Americans.” Herman Cain alleged that Sanger’s original goal for Planned Parenthood was to “help kill black babies before they came into the world.” It is written in her own words so how is that a lie?

samtheyank

There is no argument, from my perspective, of what you just said in your statement. It was well written. In my previous statement, I take the position is more then just the gun and we need to start looking at other things like what we teach our young people. When Hollywood pumps filth and trash into our living rooms, they hide behind the First Amendment. When you want to limit or control their garbage, they holler censorship and we have no right to do it. When an underage person acquires alcohol, drinks, drives and kills someone, we take such things very seriously, and we hold people accountable by putting them in jail. We need to start hollering like hell like the women who refuse to tolerate sexual harassment from men who think they can do it and get away with it. Our society and culture will become a little cleaner. If we start taking responsibility for our women, men, famalies, maybe, when some crackpot has a problem or is angry, he/she will not have a sick inclination to get a gun, go in a Church and kill a bunch of innocent people. The problem lies at the footstep of the American People as well as the solution.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Read her writings Igor.

Terry Hamblin

I think that we all want to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics, felons, and the like, however, apparently the NRA can make a case for being able to buy nuclear missiles to our esteemed Law Makers.

I would like to get some opinions about this subject so please feel free.

I believe:

1.- That the FBI data Base must be brought up to date and that Laws must be made such that no gun of any kind can be sold or traded without a strict background check being done and adhered to.

2.- That Local Law enforcement must be charged with updating the FBI data base immediately as soon as a lunatic, felon, and so on is identified. Meaning that these people cannot obtain firearms, I think that we all are still asking ourselves how the Florida killer was able to buy guns and how the Vegas killer could amass so many weapons in a hotel room.

3.- That Laws must be passed to prohibit the manufacture of extended magazines, "bumps" and other forms of material that can change a one-pull, one-shot, weapon into a semi-automatic or fully automatic weapon.

4.- 1, 2, and 3 above must be zealously enforced by the FBI through detailed in-person inspections. I don't care if it will cost a lot of money, use up a lot of man power, etc. etc. it must be air-tight, and even then some will sift through. Making a few toothless Laws is a fruitless endeavor or is Chicago not the city in the U.S. with the most stringent gun Laws and still the murder capital of our country?

My thinking here is that Congress or no one else is going to ban certain weapons nor should they, because keeping any weapon out of the hands of bad guys should be centralized and enforced by the FBI.

I also think that the "KILL" games videos should be looked at very closely since they are "real" to many gamers and once they turn them off and start again the next day, all of the characters dead or alive are back there to do it again1 Is this good for kids?

Please feel free to comment, please make the comments civil so that others can chime in...

samtheyank

Archie you are right. This woman had some very mean and nasty ideas and opinions. She truly fits the description of a racist and murderer. All you have to do is read about her opinions, philosophy and ideas. The rest is clear as a crystal bell.

Carol Kelly

It's a whole different world now, but, in my opinion, the NRA is the safest place. They've never killed anyone or required that anyone be killed. We don't own guns, but are NRA members.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

hate to tell you archie, but if you read about her in a right wing rag, it is a lie..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Most of what is claimed to have been said by Margaret Sanger is simply lies by the right wing hate groups..

They want neither blacks, minorities, jews or birth control, so they are falling all over themselves to make lies about all of them..





http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2015/oct/05/ben-carson/did-margaret-sanger-believe-african-americans-shou


Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?
By Clay Wirestone on Monday, October 5th, 2015 at 5:32 p.m.

Despite being dead for 49 years, Margaret Sanger, founder of the organization that became Planned Parenthood, has a way of turning up in the news. Her latest appearance came during remarks by Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson at a retirement center in Exeter, N.H.

Answering a question at RiverWoods Retirement Community, Carson said that "Planned Parenthood, as you know, was founded by Margaret Sanger. . . . Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. She believed that people like me should be eliminated, or kept under control."

At a press conference later, he specified what he meant by "people like me." He said he was "talking about the black race."

Claims like this have been examined by PolitiFact before. Back in March, New Hampshire Rep. William O’Brien claimed Sanger was an "an active participant in the Ku Klux Klan." That claim was rated false.

And in 2011, businessman and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Planned Parenthood’s early mission was to "help kill black babies before they came into the world." That statement was rated Pants on Fire.

Carson’s statement pulls on the same threads.

Sanger was indeed a believer in eugenics, but the basic concept that humanity could be improved by selective breeding was an article of faith for many in the years before World War II. Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells all supported the movement. African-American leader W. E. B. Du Bois backed many of its principles as well.

Although the eugenics movement included some who had racist ideas, wanting to create some sort of master race, "only a minority of eugenicists" ever believed this, according to Ruth Engs, professor emerita at the Indiana University School of Public Health and an expert in the movement.

At the time that Sanger was active, Engs wrote, "the purpose of eugenics was to improve the human race by having people be more healthy through exercise, recreation in parks, marriage to someone free from sexually transmitted diseases, well-baby clinics, immunizations, clean food and water, proper nutrition, non-smoking and drinking."

It’s a far cry to equate eugenics with advocating the elimination of black people.

For Sanger, her ideas were a matter a public health. As late as 1957, she put her views this way in an interview with Mike Wallace: "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Sanger was indeed a birth control activist, which means that she wanted women to be able to avoid unwanted pregnancies. She worked for women of all classes and races to have that choice, which she believed to be a right.

Quoted in an article about the false accusation that Sanger supported the Ku Klux Klan (she merely addressed a women’s auxiliary and later compared them to children because of their mental simplicity), Jean H. Baker, author of Margaret Sanger: A Life of Passion, said Sanger actually opposed prejudice.

Sanger "was far ahead of her times in terms of opposing racial segregation," wrote Baker, a history professor at Goucher College, in an email. She worked closely with black leaders to open birth control clinics in Harlem and elsewhere."

Even authors who treat Sanger critically don’t believe she held negative views about African-Americans. Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive history of the eugenics movement, War Against the Weak, and is no fan of the activist’s beliefs. Ultimately, though, he writes, "Sanger was no racist. Nor was she anti-Semitic."

It’s also worth noting that Sanger died in 1966, six years before the Supreme Court established a nationwide right to abortion services in Roe v. Wade.

Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

"Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears," the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

"For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft," the PolitiFact piece notes.

Finally, in 1966 Planned Parenthood gave its Margaret Sanger award to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The civil rights leader accepted, and sent his wife, Coretta, to accept. The speech he wrote for the occasion stated that ""There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Sanger was still alive at that point, and her history and statements were well known (she had published an autobiography in 1938 and was never shy about sharing her opinions). If she had, in fact, been a supporter of eliminating black people, it’s doubtful King would have accepted that award.

Our ruling

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said that birth control activist Margaret Sanger "believed that people like me should be eliminated." He later clarified that he meant African-Americans. While Sanger indeed supported the eugenics movement, substantial evidence shows that she was not racist and in fact worked closely with black leaders and health care professionals.

Carson’s statement bears no relation to historical reality. We rate the claim False.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

what!!?? now you are saying that the gangs are all political???

Which ones are the Tea Party throng???

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You guys do understand that PP does not do Abortions?? That has been pointed out again and again..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

That was both meaningless and stupid.

IOW, about average for you.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

That's just stupid.

You think millions of babies just spontaneously commit suicide when they are taken into a PP abortuarium?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

I have, have you or just the lies of fanatics comrade?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Little davie, again I'm overwhelmed with the facts on your rebuttal.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Those do not exist....

This was bait.. you were supposed to say-----True, but PP recommends and encourages Abortions..

To which I would respond that is only one of the options that is expressed to the women seeking help..

So to be clear, the only abortions PP does are emergency needed at once..

They also do not sell body parts as the doctored and false video was designed to show..