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Feb 19, 2014 14:32:53   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Btfkr wrote:
ya'll seem to forget that I'm no great fan of Obama either, speaking of facts.


please accept my apology.

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Feb 19, 2014 14:40:18   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cesspool jones wrote:
please accept my apology.


accepted. no prob.

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Feb 19, 2014 15:22:11   #
wishamako1
 
you are so right, I just pray that we get a someone to run against her that's worth a damn, we need to stop this circus of politics being played at the Whitehouse we need to put this great country first, 1/26 1968

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Feb 19, 2014 16:09:05   #
Liberty Tree
 
Btfkr wrote:
Not to change the topic in this lovely conversation, but...anytime a rightie brings up dead bodies what comes to my mind is all the dead bodies from W's illegal war and occupation.


More have died in Afganistan under Obama than Bush.

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Feb 19, 2014 16:18:59   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
alex wrote:
remember your illegal president voted for that illegal war


umm...Iraq invasion 3/2003. Obama in Senate 2005-2008.

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Feb 19, 2014 16:30:36   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
More have died in Afganistan under Obama than Bush.


http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/us-military-casualty-statistics-costs-war-iraq-afghanistan-post-911

http://icasualties.org/

Am I a great fan of Obama? No. Do I approve that we are still in Afghanistan or the drones? No. Who started the whole frickin mess over there under false pretexts? W. Nuff.

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Feb 19, 2014 16:42:36   #
Liberty Tree
 
Btfkr wrote:
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/us-military-casualty-statistics-costs-war-iraq-afghanistan-post-911

http://icasualties.org/

Am I a great fan of Obama? No. Do I approve that we are still in Afghanistan or the drones? No. Who started the whole frickin mess over there under false pretexts? W. Nuff.


He acted on the intelligence he got and many Democrats supported it. No one can say for sure what might have happened if he had not done what he did, but we do know Obama is going to turn Afganistan back over to terrorists, is not protecting our borders, is cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood and we cannot believe anything he says.

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Feb 19, 2014 20:58:00   #
Guardian
 
Puds wrote:
Regardless of the political or politically correct title we give to
immigrants, we can not realistically afford their burden when
we look at the bipartisan fiscal disaster that grows unchecked
like a malignant tumor.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hinfo/sessiondaily.asp?storyid=3924



Yes, I totally understand and totally agree. But what you are doing is classifying a group of people who did the "right" thing and went through the channels to become citizens -- along with the criminals who entered our country illegally. These people are completely different from the illegals who crawled into our country under the wire. I know many citizens who immigrated to America, who came the right way, who took all the tests, who learned about our Constitution. These people aren't the ones this lousy government keeps breast feeding, these people are the ones who worked hard to build a new life, build a business, employed Americans to run it, and taught their own children born here to be respectful of our Country and its traditions. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE AS THE ONES CRAWLING IN THE DESERT IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT TO SNEAK INTO OUR BORDERS. So, understand, when you classify these two entirely different groups into the same category, you show your ignorance of this country's roots. Don't do that. Get your facts straight and know the difference between these groups is not political descriptions, but is the character and determination of respectable people that helped build our Country.

Yes, we do not have enough money to keep feeding the masses that obomber put on welfare and in the unemployment lines. He thinks he can just order more money printed so he can keep playing his version of Monopoly...his money is disappearing, as is ours. One day there will be no more money and what we have left will be worthless, but a cognizant president would already know that. I believe obomber just doesn't give a care and is just partying it up while he can before the money tree dies. He never became president to help our country, but to inflict the worst damage he could to it...and he has kept his promise. Want a better place to live? Impeach the fraud and his generals, including hillary and put them all in prison for treason.

And, please, be respectful to the immigrants from all over the world who entered our Country the correct way and who have become an integral part of our Country's foundation. It's the other illegal immigrants that need to be shipped back over the borders and told to come back the right way. But that is slowly happening in many states as the states have found ways to make the illegal's stay very uncomfortable and stressful, but nothing against the law. Do some research on the Web...lots of info out there. We aren't the only people unhappy about what this delusional president is doing with these people. States are finding ways around the federal laws and the illegals are running to other states. Maybe we can keep the push going until they all end up on the White House lawn. Then obomber can fix them dinner and figure out what to do with them.

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Feb 19, 2014 21:06:46   #
Brian Devon
 
...no illegals get to vote til they learn the language and the laws and been residents for 5 years! Sounds good to me!






Why do the undocumented workers have to learn English? The folks from the old confederacy never did.

Actually folks from Dixie should be required to learn English as a second language.

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Feb 19, 2014 21:19:00   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Outstanding Post!!
Guardian wrote:
Yes, I totally understand and totally agree. But what you are doing is classifying a group of people who did the "right" thing and went through the channels to become citizens -- along with the criminals who entered our country illegally. These people are completely different from the illegals who crawled into our country under the wire. I know many citizens who immigrated to America, who came the right way, who took all the tests, who learned about our Constitution. These people aren't the ones this lousy government keeps breast feeding, these people are the ones who worked hard to build a new life, build a business, employed Americans to run it, and taught their own children born here to be respectful of our Country and its traditions. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE AS THE ONES CRAWLING IN THE DESERT IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT TO SNEAK INTO OUR BORDERS. So, understand, when you classify these two entirely different groups into the same category, you show your ignorance of this country's roots. Don't do that. Get your facts straight and know the difference between these groups is not political descriptions, but is the character and determination of respectable people that helped build our Country.

Yes, we do not have enough money to keep feeding the masses that obomber put on welfare and in the unemployment lines. He thinks he can just order more money printed so he can keep playing his version of Monopoly...his money is disappearing, as is ours. One day there will be no more money and what we have left will be worthless, but a cognizant president would already know that. I believe obomber just doesn't give a care and is just partying it up while he can before the money tree dies. He never became president to help our country, but to inflict the worst damage he could to it...and he has kept his promise. Want a better place to live? Impeach the fraud and his generals, including hillary and put them all in prison for treason.

And, please, be respectful to the immigrants from all over the world who entered our Country the correct way and who have become an integral part of our Country's foundation. It's the other illegal immigrants that need to be shipped back over the borders and told to come back the right way. But that is slowly happening in many states as the states have found ways to make the illegal's stay very uncomfortable and stressful, but nothing against the law. Do some research on the Web...lots of info out there. We aren't the only people unhappy about what this delusional president is doing with these people. States are finding ways around the federal laws and the illegals are running to other states. Maybe we can keep the push going until they all end up on the White House lawn. Then obomber can fix them dinner and figure out what to do with them.
Yes, I totally understand and totally agree. But w... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2014 21:22:02   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
I wonder what he will do with that mega-k heavy duty tank constructed bullet proof car?
Guardian wrote:
What will happen when Obama's term is over and he is gone?

1.) Will they repeal obamacare?
2.) Will they change the Amnesty laws?
3.) Will they back off the 2nd Amendment and gun control?
4.) Will they obliterate everything obama did in his term?
5.) Will America become less government controlled and more controlled by the people?
6.) Is out present financial mess due to obama's extravagant spending?
7.) Will the National debt ever become smaller?
8.) What will happen to the obama name?
9.) Will it be blacklisted because of his destructive actions?
10.)Will America be on its way to healing and become strong again?

Choose one. This is our future in America. Right now it is not looking too good with unemployment extremely high, no jobs, people losing homes, Corporations (jobs) still leaving the country for cheaper labor and less taxes. Will a Conservative President along with a Conservative Congress save our country? Perhaps the Liberals have done enough trash to our lives. Perhaps it's time for someone who "Knows" what they are doing to rebuild the damage of this arrogant, unknowledgeable and out of control man who thinks he is president. Perhaps it IS time for a major change in the Presidency, Congress, and Judicial branches. Too much greed, too much power grabbing and not enough caring about the people -- that would be us!
By the way, did you know how much a dinner cost (for 8 people) recently at the White House? $158,000.00. You could buy several homes for the poor with that money...that was for a few hours. How many starving kids could you feed? And you were wondering why our National Debt is rising. Guess!
What will happen when Obama's term is over and he ... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2014 21:23:37   #
Guardian
 
Btfkr wrote:
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/us-military-casualty-statistics-costs-war-iraq-afghanistan-post-911

http://icasualties.org/

Am I a great fan of Obama? No. Do I approve that we are still in Afghanistan or the drones? No. Who started the whole frickin mess over there under false pretexts? W. Nuff.



Most people in this country are highly uninformed about ALL the reasons our Military are in other countries. But I can tell you that another reason our presence in the muslim countries is important is because that backwards, archaic culture is abusive to its women and children. I can tell you about nightmarish things that happened to innocent women and children just because the male in the family "thought" they had done something...no proof that they did. All he had to do was think they did something then he could beat them mercilessly, burn them, or even kill them if he felt it was necessary. And the women and children have no rights whatsoever. It is a totalitarian male run culture and they HATE AMERICANS because we make them feel guilty about what they do to their women and children.

Even in the U.S. when a muslim family immigrates to here, many times the father loses it when his daughter becomes too Westernized (wears make up and jeans, etc.) that he has killed her, whether or not it was on purpose, no one knows. This very thing happened in Arizona a couple years ago. The dad ran over his daughter with his car. Pretty sick, right? So our American presence has been a Godsend for many of the women and children, because there is someone they can run too when a male family member decides to inflict pain on them for whatever reason. There is so much more I could tell you that would make you sick to your stomach about that culture and it's archaic traditions they perform on little girls...so barbaric and cruel. Here's the gist of it. muslim women are NOT allowed to experience any sexual excitement -- nothing -- that is only for the men to experience. That's why they cover up their women from head to toe. Once the woman is married to someone, no other man is allowed to talk to her, touch her, or see any part of her body but her eyes and hands. If she is caught talking (even innocently) with another man, she can be beaten to death, along with the man or both stoned to death.

Children are cherished, but when a girl gets her period, she is instantly a women and can be purchased by a man of any age...even someone that is several decades older than her. She must honor that marriage and literally become that man's slave. If she fights him, he can return her and that would dishonor her family which could result in her death and disappearing. You have no idea what these female children have done to them. Then there are the little boys. But I stop here because it just disgusts me to even know that this crap goes on in this century. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

So, please know that there is much more to this story of a muslim country having to deal with our Military. It also is a story about helping an endangered population of women and children...but most Americans do not know this unless you were in the Military and saw it for yourself or you have read many Autobiographies of Professional Muslim Women Doctors or Professors. Or in my case, spoken to many who have witnessed these atrocities themselves. Do the research.

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Feb 19, 2014 21:31:08   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
There was a Muzlim couple a few years back that owned and operated a TV station here in the U.S. The Islamic wife decided she wanted to divorce her Islamic husband and one evening 'in the studio' the husband literally cut her head off.
He clamed it was proper in Islamic Law, as wifes cannot divorce their husbands, and should not be tried here in America.
I waited to hear what happened to him, but that never aired on the news or in the newspapers or magazines.
Guardian wrote:
Most people in this country are highly uninformed about ALL the reasons our Military are in other countries. But I can tell you that another reason our presence in the muslim countries is important is because that backwards, archaic culture is abusive to its women and children. I can tell you about nightmarish things that happened to innocent women and children just because the male in the family "thought" they had done something...no proof that they did. All he had to do was think they did something then he could beat them mercilessly, burn them, or even kill them if he felt it was necessary. And the women and children have no rights whatsoever. It is a totalitarian male run culture and they HATE AMERICANS because we make them feel guilty about what they do to their women and children.

Even in the U.S. when a muslim family immigrates to here, many times the father loses it when his daughter becomes too Westernized (wears make up and jeans, etc.) that he has killed her, whether or not it was on purpose, no one knows. This very thing happened in Arizona a couple years ago. The dad ran over his daughter with his car. Pretty sick, right? So our American presence has been a Godsend for many of the women and children, because there is someone they can run too when a male family member decides to inflict pain on them for whatever reason. There is so much more I could tell you that would make you sick to your stomach about that culture and it's archaic traditions they perform on little girls...so barbaric and cruel. Here's the gist of it. muslim women are NOT allowed to experience any sexual excitement -- nothing -- that is only for the men to experience. That's why they cover up their women from head to toe. Once the woman is married to someone, no other man is allowed to talk to her, touch her, or see any part of her body but her eyes and hands. If she is caught talking (even innocently) with another man, she can be beaten to death, along with the man or both stoned to death.

Children are cherished, but when a girl gets her period, she is instantly a women and can be purchased by a man of any age...even someone that is several decades older than her. She must honor that marriage and literally become that man's slave. If she fights him, he can return her and that would dishonor her family which could result in her death and disappearing. You have no idea what these female children have done to them. Then there are the little boys. But I stop here because it just disgusts me to even know that this crap goes on in this century. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

So, please know that there is much more to this story of a muslim country having to deal with our Military. It also is a story about helping an endangered population of women and children...but most Americans do not know this unless you were in the Military and saw it for yourself or you have read many Autobiographies of Professional Muslim Women Doctors or Professors. Or in my case, spoken to many who have witnessed these atrocities themselves. Do the research.
Most people in this country are highly uninformed ... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2014 21:38:34   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Guardian wrote:
Most people in this country are highly uninformed about ALL the reasons our Military are in other countries. But I can tell you that another reason our presence in the muslim countries is important is because that backwards, archaic culture is abusive to its women and children. I can tell you about nightmarish things that happened to innocent women and children just because the male in the family "thought" they had done something...no proof that they did. All he had to do was think they did something then he could beat them mercilessly, burn them, or even kill them if he felt it was necessary. And the women and children have no rights whatsoever. It is a totalitarian male run culture and they HATE AMERICANS because we make them feel guilty about what they do to their women and children.

Even in the U.S. when a muslim family immigrates to here, many times the father loses it when his daughter becomes too Westernized (wears make up and jeans, etc.) that he has killed her, whether or not it was on purpose, no one knows. This very thing happened in Arizona a couple years ago. The dad ran over his daughter with his car. Pretty sick, right? So our American presence has been a Godsend for many of the women and children, because there is someone they can run too when a male family member decides to inflict pain on them for whatever reason. There is so much more I could tell you that would make you sick to your stomach about that culture and it's archaic traditions they perform on little girls...so barbaric and cruel. Here's the gist of it. muslim women are NOT allowed to experience any sexual excitement -- nothing -- that is only for the men to experience. That's why they cover up their women from head to toe. Once the woman is married to someone, no other man is allowed to talk to her, touch her, or see any part of her body but her eyes and hands. If she is caught talking (even innocently) with another man, she can be beaten to death, along with the man or both stoned to death.

Children are cherished, but when a girl gets her period, she is instantly a women and can be purchased by a man of any age...even someone that is several decades older than her. She must honor that marriage and literally become that man's slave. If she fights him, he can return her and that would dishonor her family which could result in her death and disappearing. You have no idea what these female children have done to them. Then there are the little boys. But I stop here because it just disgusts me to even know that this crap goes on in this century. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

So, please know that there is much more to this story of a muslim country having to deal with our Military. It also is a story about helping an endangered population of women and children...but most Americans do not know this unless you were in the Military and saw it for yourself or you have read many Autobiographies of Professional Muslim Women Doctors or Professors. Or in my case, spoken to many who have witnessed these atrocities themselves. Do the research.
Most people in this country are highly uninformed ... (show quote)


Believe it or nuts I am quite aware of the plight of the women. I can also name some not so niceties done in the Christ, but that is another subject. My question to you would be "is this military issue?" I can think of more humanitarian ways of spreading good faith than blowing people up :)

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Feb 19, 2014 21:44:12   #
Guardian
 
rhomin57 wrote:
There was a Muzlim couple a few years back that owned and operated a TV station here in the U.S. The Islamic wife decided she wanted to divorce her Islamic husband and one evening 'in the studio' the husband literally cut her head off.
He clamed it was proper in Islamic Law, as wifes cannot divorce their husbands, and should not be tried here in America.
I waited to hear what happened to him, but that never aired on the news or in the newspapers or magazines.


It was probably covered up by the authorities and the husband was taken away to some prison someplace. They don't want them in with other American prisoners because they aren't liked very much, especially if the other inmates found out he had cut his wife's head off because she wanted a divorce. He'd become chopped liver quickly.

But, that is the absolute truth. No muslim wife can ask for a divorce from her husband; however he, on the other hand, can beat her, disfigure her, or kill her if he just thinks she has done something wrong. And, yes, he can divorce her and kick her out on the street to survive. There is no justification for that man to cut off her head or hurt her in any way, yet their culture allows that because it is written in the Quoran. There is so much wrong with that culture, that if Lucifer were to live on earth, he would definitely be living in a muslim country. Women and children have no rights whatsoever. It's just all sorts of wrong in this day and age.

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