Stand your ground doesn't work if you are black (Page 4): So very true...I do have a problem with succinct.... :thumbup: :thumbup:...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Old_Gringo wrote:

If I misinterpreted your meaning, then I apologize. Perhaps you weren't as succinct as you could have been. But then, perhaps I was reading something into what you posted that you really didn't mean. Writing, as opposed to speech can sometimes give a different meaning to one's thoughts.

So very true...I do have a problem with succinct.... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I don't think like you I have my own beliefs and they work for me. unless something happens to change my mind I stick to my guns.

Old_Gringo wrote:

Tom, I do not mean to denigrate nor disparage you, but I am very disappointed in some of your thinking/beliefs. Especially in what you have posted on this particular subject. In my opinion, it shows total ignorance, and lack of factual information.

Brian Devon

[quote=Old_Gringo]So typical of the Reformed.

America was formed under one culture, American, comprised of many cultures. Every country that has succumbed to multi-culturism has lost it's own identity, and is no better than a third world banana republic.

I guess you view Canada, Belgium and Switzerland as third world banana republics???

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

BoJester wrote:

Michael Giles, USAF, two tours in the middle east,... (show quote)

A lot of laws are not applied equally, and you don't have to be black to find that out. If you're poor you'll also find out how unequally just (or injust!) our system can be.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

ginnyt wrote:

Bo, br br It has been quite some time. I hope th... (show quote)

The bane of judges...the "mandatory minimum" strikes again?

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

BoJester wrote:

Or, as in this case, the law itself

I'm with you on this one. I think a man defending his own life should have the freedom to not kill someone if he doesn't have to. If the law says you have to, I think it should be rewritten, and warning shots can be fired into the ground. I do kinda understand, though, the rational behind the idea of a warning shot being an indication that the shooter feels the situation is not life threatening. However! A mandatory minimum of 25 years is outrageously over the top!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

[quote=Brian Devon]

Old_Gringo wrote:

So typical of the Reformed.

America was formed under one culture, American, comprised of many cultures. Every country that has succumbed to multi-culturism has lost it's own identity, and is no better than a third world banana republic.

I guess you view Canada, Belgium and Switzerland as third world banana republics???

Canada has always had problems with the French in Quebec, but the Canadians voted to NOT become French. There are many French speaking people in Canada, just as there are Spanish, and other languages, spoken in the U.S. Belgium has finally awakened to the threat of Islam in their country and are taking steps to ameliorate the problem. Switzerland has always maintained it's language and customs.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

Zimmi is not White.

BoJester wrote:

Michael Giles, USAF, two tours in the middle east,... (show quote)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

BigMike wrote:

The bane of judges...the "mandatory minimum" strikes again?

Actually, the law is flawed. However, the instructions given to the jurors is very clear. Under those instructions, the jury came in with the only verdict possible.

If I were sitting on the jury, I too would question if it were stand your ground or not. The person in question went a block away to his car to get his loaded gun. If you are in fear for your life, you do not go back to the danger; you keep going away. That is what a prudent individual would do. Now, with gun in hand...and having the walk, did he have time to plan his moves? Having time to think, he went back with the apparent intent to wound or warn the aggressor by firing his gun. Not a move that I would recommend.

If he had the gun on his person (and had not gone off to retrieve it from his vehicle and had time to plan his next move) and he had been shoved to the ground and was being "gravely harmed" then if he pulled his gun and fired, then I could see stand your ground. But, if you read the initial reports, that is not how it went down.

The law does need to be changed. I do not think that there were enough discussions on the "what ifs" when this law was considered.

Brian Devon

Old_Gringo wrote:

Canada has always had problems with the French in Quebec, but the Canadians voted to NOT become French. There are many French speaking people in Canada, just as there are Spanish, and other languages, spoken in the U.S. Belgium has finally awakened to the threat of Islam in their country and are taking steps to ameliorate the problem. Switzerland has always maintained it's language and customs.

Another far right Einstein. I suppose you speak Swiss??? The official Swiss languages (that's PLURAL) reflect a VERY multi-cultural society. Those would be German (Swiss dialect), French, Italian, and Romanisch.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

What about Germans Italians French Portuguese Swiss Belgians Dutch Russians English Scotch Iris Africans who built many farms and cities, Asian Pacific Islanders who had a great deal of influence in the fur trade during the early settling of the west. Native Americans who were here first that includes "Hispanics"The Jew The Muslim the Hindu and Buddist who have been in America from early times to present. None are any less proud Americans[quote=Brian Devon]

Old_Gringo wrote:

So typical of the Reformed.

America was formed under one culture, American, comprised of many cultures. Every country that has succumbed to multi-culturism has lost it's own identity, and is no better than a third world banana republic.

I guess you view Canada, Belgium and Switzerland as third world banana republics???

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

rhomin57 wrote:

Zimmi is not White.

Quite correct. Mr. Zimmerman is not white and the circumstances were entirely different.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

kill em all let god sort em out

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I believe it was the Christian Europeans who build America's Government.
The founding fathers were all of various European Christian faiths at home, and in that belief system they held within them, built American's Government.
Sorry, but I will not produce all the info on the Founding Fathers personal Christian Faith, it has been produced many times before in this forum.
This countries Government was built by Gentile (Caucasian) God fearing men. And that is that. Like it or lump it.

fom wrote:

What about Germans Italians French Portuguese Swiss Belgians Dutch Russians English Scotch Iris Africans who built many farms and cities, Asian Pacific Islanders who had a great deal of influence in the fur trade during the early settling of the west. Native Americans who were here first that includes "Hispanics"The Jew The Muslim the Hindu and Buddist who have been in America from early times to present. None are any less proud Americans

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I see you are a Nephite. I am but a Lamanite

rhomin57 wrote:

I believe it was the Christian Europeans who build America's Government.
The founding fathers were all of various European Christian faiths at home, and in that belief system they held within them, built American's Government.
Sorry, but I will not produce all the info on the Founding Fathers personal Christian Faith, it has been produced many times before in this forum.
This countries Government was built by Gentile (Caucasian) God fearing men. And that is that. Like it or lump it.