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Feb 18, 2018 18:38:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
"Can mental health policy solve the problem of mass shootings?"

No, it can't. Policies involve politics, political solutions mean legislation, legislation deals with symptoms, not causes. The widespread use of psychotropic drugs is evidence that policies are not the answer.

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Feb 18, 2018 21:32:58   #
NannyPat39
 
Just stop, for a minute, and think. When did all these things start to happen? We talk about the good old days but there was an end to that time. First, it was prayer taken out of public schools, then out of government, along with the ten commandments. Almost all public gatherings began with prayer, now there aren't prayers before public events. What does it take to make the majority see that without God every phase of life goes to pot
Parents don't discipline children, they give them thing that are detrimental to the children's mental health. X-BOXES, and other TV games numb kids fear and understanding of pain and death. If we would reverse those decisions that began in the 60's we would see a great change in how our youth behave. Governments, schools, families without God are like a rudderless ship, just drifting without a destination.

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Feb 18, 2018 22:06:06   #
Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face
 
NannyPat39 wrote:
Just stop, for a minute, and think. When did all these things start to happen? We talk about the good old days but there was an end to that time. First, it was prayer taken out of public schools, then out of government, along with the ten commandments. Almost all public gatherings began with prayer, now there aren't prayers before public events. What does it take to make the majority see that without God every phase of life goes to pot
Parents don't discipline children, they give them thing that are detrimental to the children's mental health. X-BOXES, and other TV games numb kids fear and understanding of pain and death. If we would reverse those decisions that began in the 60's we would see a great change in how our youth behave. Governments, schools, families without God are like a rudderless ship, just drifting without a destination.
Just stop, for a minute, and think. When did all t... (show quote)

When you bring God into the conversation, you destroy the liberal agenda, and they cover their ears like spoiled children.

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Feb 18, 2018 22:42:22   #
NannyPat39
 
You are right about that. Simple answers don't work with them. They have to find something that takes time and money to achieve. Oh well, when I'm queen the world will be a better place. 😏

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Feb 18, 2018 22:53:55   #
Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face
 
NannyPat39 wrote:
You are right about that. Simple answers don't work with them. They have to find something that takes time and money to achieve. Oh well, when I'm queen the world will be a better place. 😏


Go for it!

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Feb 18, 2018 23:01:38   #
badbob85037
 
What can end mass shootings is the end of the gun free zone. With these places even a crazed killer knows he is going to get a large body count without worry of any harm coming to himself. Then after millions are spent in years of court they will be fed, closed and catered for until they die of old age. No more eye for an eye. Only rewards for the crazies. Can you name me one mass murderer who has paid with his life since Manson? These poor killers. They need to be cured. Yea right.

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Feb 18, 2018 23:48:17   #
Radiance3
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Radiance; you are off base.
Follow the money, and who is making it.
Big Pharma and the PTB suck.
They are Self serving parasites, on the gravy train.

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I agree with that too. But who are the enablers of the big pharma. Mostly the democrats, like Hillary Clinton and Mr. Obama. Check them out. Also pharma creating drugs that poison senior citizens, but extort money from them.

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Feb 18, 2018 23:51:02   #
Radiance3
 
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Have you ever smoked it, if not, don't lecture about it unless you have knowledge. What books and the media spew is hardly pharmacological fact. I smoked it for years and when I turned 60 I just walked away, didn't look back and never had a craving. I also don't pretend to know something I don't.


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Me smoke? Ridiculous, I hate stinky people. No one comes into my home. Anybody who smokes, I could smell them hundred feet away. They stink, I could not breath when they are around.

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Feb 19, 2018 03:44:07   #
badbob85037
 
eagleye13 wrote:
What if the "mental Health Policy" has caused the mass shootings?
Drugs prescribed, then coming off of those drugs.
Any one have a list of the drugs prescribed?


That is 100% on the money. Just look at the money going to these doctors on mental health that prescribe these poisons from the ones producing them.

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Feb 19, 2018 06:48:37   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Abel wrote:
You are absolutely correct! The pharmaceutical industry is no more than "legal drug pushers" and the FDA has outlived its usefulness, becoming no longer our friend due to the FDA being in bed with "Big Pharma." It was a tough trick, but Big Pharma and the FDA have learned to pull the covers up under their chins and smile at the public, but the ferocious sexual activity beneath the covers is never allowed to see daylight and is a big profitable secret taboo subject seldom talked about; talk about things not being transparent.

I try not to watch very many commercials on TV, or even much TV at all, but have you ever noticed that about every other commercial is about some disease or malady that Big Pharma is pushing a drug for, and there is one hell of a big disclaimer telling you all the bad things it might do to you if you choose to take it, which they read so fast you can't possibly understand much of it (Radio is really bad about these "high speed" disclaimers), and that you should "tell your doctor" if you think you might have some symptom or another of the malady they have likely invented themselves to "sell a new drug?" When you stop to think about it, have you noticed that they only treat the symptoms of a disease, but they never "cure" anything, because if they did they would lose you as a paying customer? That would adversely affect their bottom line, which is in the Billions of Dollars!

After about a century of research, I think Polio was probably the only disease they actually got rid of, and maybe Malaria, but they can't even "cure" the common cold; evidence of the common cold being a serious "profit generator" for them can be observed on the shelves of any drug store you go into, just look at all the different and varied cold "remedies" for sale, then remember that if you take their "cures" for a cold you can get over the cold in about seven days, but if you just tough it out it will last about a week.

Doctors now hand out "psychiatric drugs" like candy for kids that are just being kids because the parents don't want to be bothered to discipline their kids. My mother would probably have drugged me had she had all these drugs available nowadays! It is no wonder we have so many junkies around to make the "undocumented pharmacist" business so profitable that the pushers kill people to get the drugs across our borders!

I have little sympathy for junkies. Being an addict is a "disease of choice" and I, for one, am tired of paying for their rehabilitation that most times fails. I say "disease of choice" because, aside from babies being born junkies due to parental addiction who didn't make the choice their parents should have made, people choose to take these drugs for fun because their parents, and later the schools, failed to educate them, or they choose not to follow label instructions, or they choose not to follow doctors advice on using the drug, or whatever other reason THEY choose, and it was the wrong choice basically because of a lack of proper education. I did not make their choice, and since I didn't, I should not be taxed to pay for it!

Government should not even be in the unconstitutional business of health care in the first place. They never talk about the core problem; high medical costs of unnecessary, elective, cosmetic, unnatural (sex changes, etc.), and frivolous "high profit" medical procedures! They only talk about people needing "cheaper, or maybe free, insurance," or having a free government "health care insurance program," or a government "single payer" health care insurance system, which is pure socialism by its nature. If these "elective procedures" were eliminated, or at least restricted to those who can afford them and should pay for them themselves, the insurance companies could drop their prices because they wouldn't be "required by the government" to cover them. I'm sure the insurance would still be too high, but not as much, and people would have a better selection of policy coverages. The hypocrisy of the Democrat Progressives is that they cry crocodile tears about wanting to spread the wealth around, then allow, even promote, funneling these horrendous profits to the wealthy one percent!

IMHO, Our "Medical System," as well as our "Insurance Industry" and "Medical Equipment Manufacturing Industry" are the most lucrative businesses in our country, aside from our "Military Industrial Complex" who supplies the entire world with ever more, and more efficient, weapons of war, all in the name of peace, supporting both sides that are waging the wars; our government, along with other governments, then supply the human blood, sweat, and tears. I suppose, someday, it may end, but I'll be long dead and never see it! If you follow the money, you can tell which companies are the most lucrative businesses, just pay attention to which ones have the biggest buildings!

Of course, under the NWO and the UN Agenda 21, it appears that population reduction is one of their prime means used to control the population and assume world dominance. They really don't like old fossils like me; I don't take many of their poison pills, object to their goals, and haven't died soon enough to suit them. Oh, well! Have a nice day.
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You are absolutely correct! The pharmaceutical ind... (show quote)

You are so right. I had a health emergency, not long ago, pneumonia, and ended up in the ER. Well first they killed me , briefly, with some medication, then they had me for a week and pumped me full of steriods and other poisons. They basically told me , I would need this stuff for the rest of my life, which they were certain would be short. Once I got home and recovered from their "treatment", I researched alternative, natural remedies on my own, and I am doing great, no meds, no side effects, I'm functioning and working, better than most 50 year olds. If I cut off a finger with my table saw I may visit a doctor, but frankly for anything else, forget it. Yes, they really don't like it when you say "no".

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Feb 19, 2018 09:50:23   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
badbob85037 wrote:
That is 100% on the money. Just look at the money going to these doctors on mental health that prescribe these poisons from the ones producing them.

"Just look at the money going to these doctors on mental health that prescribe these poisons from the ones producing them." - badbob85037

Yep; A financial partnership has been going on for way too long.

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Feb 19, 2018 12:11:04   #
Abel
 
Well, Out, I am glad to hear you have seen the light concerning Big Pharma and their poison pill factories. I'm pretty much of the same mindset as you.

In my case, it was observations of my wife's illness. She had a lump in her breast discovered by a mammogram, and it lead to her death. A leading breast surgeon cut it out, it was a "stage zero cancer," which means it wasn't really a cancer yet but might become one, so they cut out more around the site. Then she had some mild chemotherapy and about 7 weeks of hard radiation. They said they got it all, and maybe they did, but that wasn't the end of the story.

She was a nurse and the word cancer really scared her and I couldn't keep her from having this procedure done immediately rather than wait a while and watch what it did. About 5 years passed and she needed a hip replacement, but she couldn't recover fast enough from giving blood in a week, so she couldn't give the second batch to get a full reserve for the hip operation. That should have been a clue, but, as I came up needing a triple bypass we waited on her hip until I recovered.

When she tried again to get a reserve blood supply, she still couldn't give enough blood for a full reserve, but they did the hip surgery anyway. A year later, having recovered pretty well from the hip surgery, she became quite ill and ended up in the ER. It was determined that she had aggressive leukemia and she never came home again. She spent about four and a half months dying in the hospital, where they hurt her back in physical therapy, and that time was spent in severe pain whenever she moved.

We celebrated our fiftieth wedding anniversary in the hospital. I still miss her very much. I studied cancer heavily during this period, and one of my degrees is in physics. The oncologist would not let me give her any "natural" medicines that I had discovered, and I was too stupid to buck him on it. It later became my considered opinion that the radiation through her breast bones gave her the leukemia that killed her, and of course I couldn't prove it.

My take away from all of this was don't ever get in a hurry to do something these doctors tell you you should do. The medical system killed her in their rush to gain wealth, and I will never let them rush me into anything they can't absolutely prove to me that I need it, and then it will depend upon what it is that they think I need and the alternatives to letting it ride!

I take mostly over the counter "natural" medicines, and I'm doing quite well with that, but I do have to watch my bypasses for blockage. As far as I'm concerned the FDA and their poisons can go pound sand, they are not my friend, and my doctors really don't like it very much when I refuse their prescriptions and procedures, but it is me, or my insurance, that is paying the bill, so it is my decision. I'm nearly 80, and if I had thought I would ever live this long I might have taken better care of myself, but I feel good, drive, had my cataracts fixed (which made my arms shrink and now they are too short to let me read without glasses), get around without any assistance, and I can still run a chainsaw.

I'm not afraid of dying, and I believe I'll be dead until the end of time, but I still don't stand where the tree I just cut down is going to fall. When my number comes up, I just hope it is quick and painless, I don't want to lay there and vegetate, and be a burden for my sons, who can pour a fifth of good single malt Scottish Whiskey or single barrel Bourbon on my ashes if they strain it through their kidneys first! Since I detest funerals, they don't have to screw with that. Then they can put me in the double urn with my wife. After that, I doubt if I'll care much what they do with us. I hope I didn't bore you too much with my musings, I just wanted you to know that I think you're on the right path with your "natural" medications in spite of what the doctors and big pharma tell you.

Don't let the "Progressive Establishment" get you down! Have a great day!
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out of the woods wrote:
You are so right. I had a health emergency, not long ago, pneumonia, and ended up in the ER. Well first they killed me , briefly, with some medication, then they had me for a week and pumped me full of steriods and other poisons. They basically told me , I would need this stuff for the rest of my life, which they were certain would be short. Once I got home and recovered from their "treatment", I researched alternative, natural remedies on my own, and I am doing great, no meds, no side effects, I'm functioning and working, better than most 50 year olds. If I cut off a finger with my table saw I may visit a doctor, but frankly for anything else, forget it. Yes, they really don't like it when you say "no".
You are so right. I had a health emergency, not lo... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2018 12:41:02   #
Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face
 
Abel wrote:
Well, Out, I am glad to hear you have seen the light concerning Big Pharma and their poison pill factories. I'm pretty much of the same mindset as you.

In my case, it was observations of my wife's illness. She had a lump in her breast discovered by a mammogram, and it lead to her death. A leading breast surgeon cut it out, it was a "stage zero cancer," which means it wasn't really a cancer yet but might become one, so they cut out more around the site. Then she had some mild chemotherapy and about 7 weeks of hard radiation. They said they got it all, and maybe they did, but that wasn't the end of the story.

She was a nurse and the word cancer really scared her and I couldn't keep her from having this procedure done immediately rather than wait a while and watch what it did. About 5 years passed and she needed a hip replacement, but she couldn't recover fast enough from giving blood in a week, so she couldn't give the second batch to get a full reserve for the hip operation. That should have been a clue, but, as I came up needing a triple bypass we waited on her hip until I recovered.

When she tried again to get a reserve blood supply, she still couldn't give enough blood for a full reserve, but they did the hip surgery anyway. A year later, having recovered pretty well from the hip surgery, she became quite ill and ended up in the ER. It was determined that she had aggressive leukemia and she never came home again. She spent about four and a half months dying in the hospital, where they hurt her back in physical therapy, and that time was spent in severe pain whenever she moved.

We celebrated our fiftieth wedding anniversary in the hospital. I still miss her very much. I studied cancer heavily during this period, and one of my degrees is in physics. The oncologist would not let me give her any "natural" medicines that I had discovered, and I was too stupid to buck him on it. It later became my considered opinion that the radiation through her breast bones gave her the leukemia that killed her, and of course I couldn't prove it.

My take away from all of this was don't ever get in a hurry to do something these doctors tell you you should do. The medical system killed her in their rush to gain wealth, and I will never let them rush me into anything they can't absolutely prove to me that I need it, and then it will depend upon what it is that they think I need and the alternatives to letting it ride!

I take mostly over the counter "natural" medicines, and I'm doing quite well with that, but I do have to watch my bypasses for blockage. As far as I'm concerned the FDA and their poisons can go pound sand, they are not my friend, and my doctors really don't like it very much when I refuse their prescriptions and procedures, but it is me, or my insurance, that is paying the bill, so it is my decision. I'm nearly 80, and if I had thought I would ever live this long I might have taken better care of myself, but I feel good, drive, had my cataracts fixed (which made my arms shrink and now they are too short to let me read without glasses), get around without any assistance, and I can still run a chainsaw.

I'm not afraid of dying, and I believe I'll be dead until the end of time, but I still don't stand where the tree I just cut down is going to fall. When my number comes up, I just hope it is quick and painless, I don't want to lay there and vegetate, and be a burden for my sons, who can pour a fifth of good single malt Scottish Whiskey or single barrel Bourbon on my ashes if they strain it through their kidneys first! Since I detest funerals, they don't have to screw with that. Then they can put me in the double urn with my wife. After that, I doubt if I'll care much what they do with us. I hope I didn't bore you too much with my musings, I just wanted you to know that I think you're on the right path with your "natural" medications in spite of what the doctors and big pharma tell you.

Don't let the "Progressive Establishment" get you down! Have a great day!
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Well, Out, I am glad to hear you have seen the lig... (show quote)

Your mindset is in the right place and I agree about the Dr BS too. Be strong

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Feb 19, 2018 13:36:31   #
S. Maturin
 
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Your mindset is in the right place and I agree about the Dr BS too. Be strong


When it is said 'doctors "practice" medicine', that about covers it.

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Feb 19, 2018 13:45:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
S. Maturin wrote:
When it is said 'doctors "practice" medicine', that about covers it.


Another really bad thing is when they screw up and you survive; they get paid twice, or three times, or?

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