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Jan 21, 2018 22:04:16   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
permafrost wrote:
Not at all, most of the nation understands that the orange man is in power due to distortiion and lies.

His failure to do as he said he would is simply the customary act of one who has lived via lies and gifts from fate.

He has done nothing on his own and this is no different..

Saying he will do something proper if the Dems give some for him, then he rejects as he has for all his life..

Just as the republicans refused Obama after he delivered the compromises the asked for. Trump follows the role..

So as stated, trump owns the Government shutdown.
Not at all, most of the nation understands that th... (show quote)





He nim-rod, you lost Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha


Still crying after a full year. You need to change your diapers. You really stink.

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Jan 21, 2018 22:13:02   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
boofhead wrote:
What a mind-numbing statement. Surely you are not so deficient in mental abilities that you mean what you said? Or so evil?

Who would not fight for the unborn? The most innocent among us, who by Democrat definition includes babies just born as well as those still in the womb. We all agree that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and the like were unmitigated savages but thanks to Democrats, we murder more than a million innocent babies every year in this country alone! If we judged Democrats by the same standards we judge Hitler, Democrats would be worse!

There is no connection between being born and living their lives. What is the "funding" you speak of? What baby needs "funding"? And who is denying "funding" to babies? If the baby is born into a moral family with a mother and father, there is no need for "funding". "Funding" is actually in real terms "stealing", because it takes from those who have (who have worked for the money, who take responsibility for themselves) and giving it to deadbeats. That is another entire matter, and one where the Democrats must also take responsibility because it is their practices that create the need for any "funding" by denying family, morality, Christianity and a solid work ethic in the first place.

I don't know what adjective comes to mind first when I think of the word Democrat. It is a toss up between Stupid or Evil.
What a mind-numbing statement. Surely you are not... (show quote)









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Jan 21, 2018 22:18:19   #
Schulk Loc: Kentucky
 
I agree. I am a registered Democrat and so disgusted with what my party has turned into since Obama. We do nothing for the American citizens. When my party started making fun of us average citizens and cared more about illegal aliens I started speaking up. The party is a disaster. They caused the shut down not the Republicans. The party no longer represents America but the foreign entities wanting to take over America and do away with the American citizens. They are being paid great sums of money, I believe to sell us out. But criminals usually turn on their own. I hope it happens soon.

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Jan 21, 2018 23:02:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
How is it an oxymoron? You guys fight for the unborn and then are pissed at any funding once they are born. That's more of a oxymoron don't you think?
Lemme see if I have this straight. We have around 800K unauthorized immigrants in America, 690K of which are enrolled in the DACA program. The average age of these "kids" is 25 years and the majority of them are females. They aren't supposed to be here, they have no right to be here, yet they are more important, more vital to our American culture, than the 15 to 18 million American children who live in families below the poverty level--nearly 80% of these families struggle to properly feed their children. IOW, we have around 13 million American children who are hungry. And, the dems are going ballistic about the welfare of 800,000 young adults who are here illegally?

What's wrong with this picture?

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Jan 22, 2018 00:17:22   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
When is the last time the Democrats actually did something for minorities, other than give them crumbs for breeding fatherless children?

1) Children can't be born unless they have fathers 2) I went to college on Pell grants. Sometimes crumbs are what you make of them. 3) When one routinely pisses on someone who are you to criticize someone else who offers others a crumb? We would be happy to increase taxes and offer them more...

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Jan 22, 2018 00:43:08   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
PeterS wrote:
1) Children can't be born unless they have fathers 2) I went to college on Pell grants. Sometimes crumbs are what you make of them. 3) When one routinely pisses on someone who are you to criticize someone else who offers others a crumb? We would be happy to increase taxes and offer them more...



No, we would not be happy to increase taxes. You're insane, so what else is new? They are

" Illegal ". The country has laws they have broken and ignored. And you want to help the illegals

keep breaking our laws. They need to be evicted from this country, and sent back to the country they

came from. And you need to be in jail for helping them break our laws. You are a conspirator, a

fermentor of lies and deception, an assassin, A traitor to our country.


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Jan 22, 2018 03:19:02   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
No, we would not be happy to increase taxes. You're insane, so what else is new? They are

" Illegal ". The country has laws they have broken and ignored. And you want to help the illegals

keep breaking our laws. They need to be evicted from this country, and sent back to the country they

came from. And you need to be in jail for helping them break our laws. You are a conspirator, a

fermentor of lies and deception, an assassin, A traitor to our country.

No, we would not be happy to increase taxes. You'... (show quote)


Davie and I weren't talking about illegal aliens.

His question was: When is the last time the Democrats actually did something for minorities, other than give them crumbs for breeding fatherless children?

Which was the reference to my answer.

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Jan 22, 2018 03:44:27   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Lemme see if I have this straight. We have around 800K unauthorized immigrants in America, 690K of which are enrolled in the DACA program. The average age of these "kids" is 25 years and the majority of them are females. They aren't supposed to be here, they have no right to be here, yet they are more important, more vital to our American culture, than the 15 to 18 million American children who live in families below the poverty level--nearly 80% of these families struggle to properly feed their children. IOW, we have around 13 million American children who are hungry. And, the dems are going ballistic about the welfare of 800,000 young adults who are here illegally?

What's wrong with this picture?
Lemme see if I have this straight. We have around ... (show quote)

Well since you cons could give a fuk about a child unless it's in the womb what's wrong with the picture is that you are using them as a talking point. To most of those in DACA this is the only country they have ever known. That they are here illegally isn't their fault but far be it from a Christian conservative to miss an opportunity to punish someone for crimes their parents committed--again, you are doing everything possible to make that god you say you love so much smile. And what does the majority of them being female have to do with anything? Were our illegal immigrants not to have female children?

As for our American culture I thought it was to help those in need or is that only if it doesn't cost us anything personally? And while I am sure you will laugh that's all the democrats are trying to do--live up to what this country is suppose to stand for--what American culture is suppose to be all about. What was that old American saying again: Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

For some odd reason that seems more the behavior that your god would appreciate then what you CC's currently espouse...

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Jan 22, 2018 06:50:17   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
1) Children can't be born unless they have fathers 2) I went to college on Pell grants. Sometimes crumbs are what you make of them. 3) When one routinely pisses on someone who are you to criticize someone else who offers others a crumb? We would be happy to increase taxes and offer them more...
I'm sure you would be happy to get more and more benefits of other people's hard work.

Government didn't create your opportunity. Government took it from someone that earned it and gave it to you, who did not earn it.

To a certain, very small degree, redistribution is good. It stops being good when the takers stop being grateful and begin feeling entitled to the benefits of other people's hard work.

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Jan 22, 2018 08:45:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Schulk wrote:
I agree. I am a registered Democrat and so disgusted with what my party has turned into since Obama. We do nothing for the American citizens. When my party started making fun of us average citizens and cared more about illegal aliens I started speaking up. The party is a disaster. They caused the shut down not the Republicans. The party no longer represents America but the foreign entities wanting to take over America and do away with the American citizens. They are being paid great sums of money, I believe to sell us out. But criminals usually turn on their own. I hope it happens soon.
I agree. I am a registered Democrat and so disgust... (show quote)


Thank You and welcome.. See your new, look down reward to more of your posts..

What do you think of the DNC itself?? Have they stumped themself and too far in to work their way back up or is the party so far gone they need to restructure???

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Jan 22, 2018 08:52:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank You and welcome.. See your new, look down reward to more of your posts..

What do you think of the DNC itself?? Have they stumped themself and too far in to work their way back up or is the party so far gone they need to restructure???

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Jan 22, 2018 09:07:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
RETW wrote:
You can only speak for your self nim-rod. The only thing you got right in your post is there was a
bipartisan agreement.

But as always, you fail to tell the whole story. For it was your spooky pooky Chucky Schomer and little dicky turban that screwed the thing up with there demands after the bipartisan agreement.

You SOB's don't take responsibility at all for your screw ups.

That's why you and the rest of you nim-rods are in the swamp.


The only thing clear is your ignorance.


So tell us all genius, why do want to protect illegal aliens? And why do you want to put them first over others that have come to our shores legally?
You can only speak for your self nim-rod. The only... (show quote)




You spin fact once more..

My comments are about Dreamers..

These are young people who came as children and had no choice in the matter.

We have educated them, spent resources and they are as American as any other people of the same age who grew up as American..

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Jan 22, 2018 09:24:41   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
I'm sure you would be happy to get more and more benefits of other people's hard work.

Government didn't create your opportunity. Government took it from someone that earned it and gave it to you, who did not earn it.

To a certain, very small degree, redistribution is good. It stops being good when the takers stop being grateful and begin feeling entitled to the benefits of other people's hard work.




Whenever we as a people spend tax money on a program that you do not directly gain from, you right wingers call it theft.

It is not, We are a United States, we have by design cared for all our people. With only raciest exceptions.

As the working and middle class, crumbs is all we get. Proven once again by the tax theft last month..

But one of those crumbs, put me through college.. The $100/month from my rich uncle Sam..

Pay for it?? Yes, I did indeed pay for it, and paid highly..

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Jan 22, 2018 10:07:15   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
You spin fact once more..

My comments are about Dreamers..

These are young people who came as children and had no choice in the matter.

We have educated them, spent resources and they are as American as any other people of the same age who grew up as American..
Facts:
Their average age is over 30.
They are not citizens.
A large majority are on welfare
It's not American citizen's children's fault the illegal's parents broke our laws.

More relevant facts:
DACA has nothing to do with the budget
Trump's DACA extension doesn't run out for weeks
Trump has already said he was for DACA amnesty
The Shumer Shutdown is about politics, not policy.

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Jan 22, 2018 10:43:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Facts:
Their average age is over 30.
They are not citizens.
A large majority are on welfare
It's not American citizen's children's fault the illegal's parents broke our laws.

More relevant facts:
DACA has nothing to do with the budget
Trump's DACA extension doesn't run out for weeks
Trump has already said he was for DACA amnesty
The Shumer Shutdown is about politics, not policy.




As illegal entry into the US is a misdemeanor and subject to a $200 fine, lets send a bill each of the 800,000 and let it go at that...

Majority on welfare??? Not so, in high school, college or the military or hold a job..

1. What is DACA?

DACA is the acronym for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a program created in 2012 by the Obama administration allowing young people brought to this country illegally by their parents to get a temporary reprieve from deportation and to receive permission to work, study and obtain driver's licenses.

DACA applicants had to be younger than 31 years old when the program began. They also had to prove that they had lived in the United States continuously since June 15, 2007, and that they had arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16.

Those signing up for DACA must show that they have clean criminal records. They have to be enrolled in high school or college, or serve in the military. Their status is renewable every two years.

2. Who are the DREAMers?

There are about 800,000 DACA recipients, also known as DREAMers, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Most arrived from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. There are also several thousand from Asia, primarily South Korea and the Philippines. They reside in every state, with the largest concentrations in California (222,795), Texas (124,300), New York (41,970), Illinois (42,376) and Florida (32,795).

The term DREAMer is derived from a legislative bill, first introduced in 2001, called the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act. It has yet to be approved by Congress.

3. Why was DACA created?

Unable to find a legislative remedy to protect minors who were brought to this country through no fault of their own, the Obama administration created the DACA program through executive action in June 2012. Conservatives accused Obama of overstepping his authority, but they brought no legal challenge.

The DREAMers are a highly organized group of young people who argue that, after being raised and educated here in the U.S., they are Americans who only lack legal recognition.

At the time DACA was created, Obama's executive action had strong public support according to a 2012 Pew Research Center survey, which found that 63 percent of those polled approved of the program.

A more recent poll by NBC News/Survey Monkey found that nearly two-thirds of Americans favor allowing the DREAMers to stay in the U.S.

4. Why did Trump end DACA?

During the campaign, Donald Trump railed against illegal immigration and promised to reverse what he called President Obama's "unconstitutional" executive actions.

But as president, Trump began backtracking. Early on, he said a decision about the fate of the DREAMers was "very difficult" for him, but "we're going to show great heart." As recently as last week when he was asked about his impending decision, Trump said "we love the DREAMers."

Conservatives, who had anticipated swift action from Trump, repeatedly urged the new president to keep his pledge and "pull the plug" on DACA.

In June, 10 Republican attorneys general moved to force Trump's hand. In a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, they threatened to launch a legal challenge against DACA by seeking to amend a lawsuit stalled in federal court. That lawsuit opposed another Obama executive action called DAPA, or Deferred Action for Parents of Americans. (Announced in November 2014, DAPA would have expanded DACA protections to certain undocumented parents whose children are legal residents or citizens of the U.S.)

The Republican attorneys general, led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, gave Trump until today, Sept. 5, to decide DACA's fate.

5. Will the DREAMers be forced to leave?

Not immediately.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, DACA will be phased out, with an official end in six months.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will process all new applications received as of Sept. 5 and then stop accepting applications. DREAMers whose work permits expire before March 5, 2018, can apply for a two-year renewal, but they must meet an upcoming Oct. 5 deadline. The government will not terminate "previously issued deferred action or revoke Employment Authorization Documents."

But the announcement by DHS also ends on an ominous (for DREAMers) note: DHS will "continue to exercise its discretionary authority to terminate or deny deferred action for any reason, at any time, with or without notice."

The process announced by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is designed to "create a time period for Congress to act — should it so choose."

There is no way of knowing whether Congress will ever come to the DREAMers' rescue and craft a plan that salvages any of the protections brought by DACA. In a statement about DACA, President Trump called on Congress to act, but he did not specifically endorse legislation to preserve it.

It is also not clear that if Congress fails to act, DREAMers immediately would become ripe targets for deportation. In his statement Tuesday, President Trump said, "I have advised the Department of Homeland Security that DACA recipients are not enforcement priorities unless they are criminals, are involved in criminal activity, or are members of a gang."

Trump tweeted Tuesday night that he will "revisit this issue" if Congress doesn't legalize DACA.

But DACA advocates say they already have documented cases in which DREAMers, with valid DACA protections, were apparently targeted by agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

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