KiraSeer2016

It is obvious to thinking people that one cannot have true freedom without morality.

In America's case, the very fact of her freedoms, from the beginning, led to increases in wealth, and then increases in licentiousness. America now has a class of people who want to be taken care of, (in all their licentious ways) and then a class of people who cater to those desires, in order to stay in power.

And Christianity is in part to blame: people are told they can have salvation without responsibility. But God expects you to have some morals, and some responsibility.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

KiraSeer2016: Spot on! Collectively as a society, our actions have proved we tend value style over substance, celebrity over principal, and victimization over self-reliance!

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

"Jealousy " Are you kidding me, or just drunk/stoned?

I was hoping you would continue with a reasonable, i.e., "fair & balanced" approach to discourse, rather than falling back on intransigence and/or incorrigibility in thought. The wasted energy/time was in attempting to deal with a hopelessly locked mindset such as yours. The peak of the aforementioned intransigence and incorrigibility is your accusing me of propaganda as you spew forth your own. Discourse should be an open discussion without worrying about who is right or wrong, but instead, an honest exchange of ideas. Remember, hearing others out does not require accepting what they say...just respect for a simple sharing of ideas.

Ideological zealots seldom seek respectful exchanges, but instead, acquiescence to their viewpoint(s),

Jealousy Not even close.

KiraSeer2016

Thanks, ld. Didn't think there any on OPP who would agree with me. Good to see you are a thinker.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Well, I'm in neither class you mention and also have morals and not only responsibility, but a sense of duty. Having said that, I would suspect most OPP posters would agree with just about all you say, Kira...even the professed atheists. I just think some (like myself) enjoy playing devil's advocate.

KiraSeer2016

Well, for those kind words, sir, I may remove you from my sh** list!

Have a good day.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

One down, innumerable others to go.

I will.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Just to be clear...I was referring to my being on one less sh*t list.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

You play your devils advocate game only when your liberal values are threatened.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

There is nothing anybody on this forum could write that should threaten mine or anyone's values, Hemiman, as OPP is no more than a sounding board for venting personal opinions...often of a political nature. Since I am possessed of both conservative and liberal values/viewpoints, I can find myself pleased, angered, dismayed and amused by numerous comments on the forum, but not threatened.. Often, my posts respond to lies, misinformation, disinformation, wrongful innuendo or hyperbole dispensed by posters. I have also challenged or defended individuals from both camps regarding those matters in question. And, yes, I play the devil's advocate quite often. But, perhaps most notably, many of my posts are laced with humor...or at least, attempts at humor. I dare say I have more comments on frivolous/humorous threads along with music threads than any other subjects/topics.

The very fact that conservatives are a vast majority in numbers on OPP lends to the questioning/challenging of them more than liberals. But, I have also defended many conservative friends and their opinions when they are wrongfully attacked. I have also been, in return, attacked and defended by both conservatives and liberals. My skin is thick enough to weather said attacks. Any anger and acrimony from me has surfaced almost exclusively when Family members of mine have been attacked. For example, the most vivid memories of my anger being shown on OPP were in direct response to personal attacks on my wife and my 18-yr.old granddaughter. Those attacks were prompted for no reason other than their pictures being in my avatar at a time when those posters were challenged or questioned by me as to the veracity of their comments. The two posters involved are easily recognized as one extreme liberal, RaylanWolfe and one extreme conservative, Steve700.

You or anyone who questions my reasons, intent or observations from being on OPP need only to look up one of my earlier thread posts from March 13, 2014. It is entitled 'Parting Observations*,' & follows below. Other than suggesting that, I can assure you, Hemiman, that my values are in no way threatened by you are anyone else on this forum. As far as that goes, perhaps it is you who feels threatened by any voice that doesn't meet your litmus test for approval. It seems due to our differences, you have had a burr lodged up your arse for some time. You need to get it out.

*http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-12163-1.html

KiraSeer2016

I figured that.

KiraSeer2016

Leave him alone. He needs to save face.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

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wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia

Whoever told you that you could not have salvation without responsibility is a liar or a idot. Show me that in the bible.

KiraSeer2016

Right.

I have no time for you children. You "beginners." You are not even able to figure it out for yourself.