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Jan 7, 2018 11:21:17   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
slatten49 wrote:
Not my words, but taken from an on-line blogger concerning hateful conservatives, but easily pertains to liberals, also....

"This would depend on what you put into label of conservative. Taking a five minute view to consider a trend to putting labeling all conservatives being hateful or haters that are ignorant by nature shows a bias on your part.

Passionate statements and answers people make are generally based on how they were raised and their own personal experiences in life. Many use hatreds of others to create a desired outcome for particular situations (spinning it to fit). By using deceptive practices to inflame and conjure emotions to a level of hate or heated debate. Something like flickering a rubber bait hook in front of a hungry fish at sunset. People bite and the spin masters gain an audience.

I believe we each have an obligation to each other to help each other with understanding and learning in what the causes and remedies against true hatred are. We are our brothers keepers.

Certain persons would also call me a neocon conservative for believing in Jesus as my savior. Some treat me with hatred for my beliefs. When it is clear you could not simply get to know who I am and what is in my heart in only five minutes.

I do have to admit though I have hatred for certain things in the world. Corruption that has been allowed to run rampant in our country has brought it to a very dangerous level. So we are hated by others even though the majority of us simply wish to live in peace. Greed has consumed and the anger runs wild through the nation as people try to survive and keep their goodies like fancy houses and cars. Many who have previously sold out or given in by thinking they are secure in their jobs and they allowed the corruption to take over. By not being their brothers keepers they have invited the wolves in the door.

I grew up believing as an American I would have freedom, justice and be treated equally as a human being. This has not been the case in all instances. Yet I would not trade my country for another just because of a few ignorant or greedy people. I would hope that not everyone would attempt to assess the whole situation in a few minutes though by labeling all conservatives hateful and ignorant by nature."
Not my words, but taken from an on-line blogger co... (show quote)


" I would hope that not everyone would attempt to assess the whole situation in a few minutes though by labeling all conservatives hateful and ignorant by nature."" - Slat

I feel the same.
There is ignorance coming from both sides of the fence.
As you know; I go after both parties.
BUT; IMO, The D's are more dedicated, or brainwashed in hanging on to that ignorance.
AND; that is a really big problem. We almost lost our Republic.

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Jan 7, 2018 11:48:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
" I would hope that not everyone would attempt to assess the whole situation in a few minutes though by labeling all conservatives hateful and ignorant by nature."" - Slat

I feel the same.
There is ignorance coming from both sides of the fence.
As you know; I go after both parties.
BUT; IMO, The D's are more dedicated, or brainwashed in hanging on to that ignorance.
AND; that is a really big problem. We almost lost our Republic.


I take liberty with paraphrasing William F. Buckley, IMO, icon of the right: 'Both liberals and conservatives claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.'

FYI, my ultimate icon of the center/left was Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

You, Eagleye, seem to counter that argument, by giving thought to all perspectives, while remaining true to your own. Kudos to you.

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Jan 7, 2018 11:55:15   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
slatten49 wrote:
I take liberty with paraphrasing William F. Buckley, IMO, icon of the right: 'Both liberals and conservatives claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.'

FYI, my ultimate icon of the center/left was Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

You, Eagleye, seem to counter that argument, by giving thought to all perspectives, while remaining true to your own. Kudos to you.
I take liberty with paraphrasing William F. Buckle... (show quote)


Thanks Slat.
"Kudos to you."
Same to you; you are sincere, but just misguided.

BTW; "I take liberty with paraphrasing William F. Buckley, IMO, icon of the right:" - slat
WF buckley was a fraud. A Bilderberger globalist CFR NeoCON.

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Jan 7, 2018 11:58:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Thanks Slat.
"Kudos to you."
Same to you; you are sincere, but just misguided.

'Tis a burden many of us bear...from both sides.

I ease that burden by professing to being a moderate/centrist, as well as agitator.

BTW, I was fully aware of your opinion of Buckley.

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Jan 7, 2018 12:01:33   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
slatten49 wrote:
'Tis a burden many of us bear...from both sides.

I ease that burden by professing to being a moderate/centrist, as well as agitator.


You aren't on Soros's payroll are you? LOL

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Jan 7, 2018 12:09:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You aren't on Soros's payroll are you? LOL

Nah, just mine and The Sgt. Major's SS, my VA disability and healthy retirement accounts accrued over the years.

I have never been connected to any political entity. But, I vote.

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Jan 7, 2018 12:25:48   #
Babsan
 
slatten49 wrote:
Eagle, The internet offers varying views on both liberalism/conservatism...for example:

Is Political Conservatism a Mild Form of Insanity?

By William Todd Schult, Ph.D.

Posted Sep 06, 2008

A few years ago I was standing on the deck of a beach house on the 4th of July and a person who had obviously drunk too much told me, “The secret of my life is that I always need someone to hate.”

I was reminded of this exchange while watching the stupendously ruthless Republican National Convention over the last several days. Is there anything that conservatives do not hate? Maybe drilling. In fact, they appear utterly phallically obsessed with drilling (a practice that, in about 10 years or so, might reduce gas prices by 2 or 3 cents per gallon). But otherwise, what we learned from the recent hatefest is that Republicans hate community organizers, liberals (surprise!), Madonna, the “east coast elite,” the “angry left” media, trial lawyers, people who are too smart, people who are “cosmopolitan”—the list goes on into eternity.

Listening to this litany on Wednesday night in particular reminded me of a research article that came out roughly 5 years ago on political conservatism and motivated social cognition (Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski & Sulloway, “Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition,” Psychological Bulletin). In a nutshell, the article—by Stanford and UC Berkeley researchers—seems to suggest that conservatism is a mild form of insanity.

Here are the facts. A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that “several psychological variables predicted political conservatism.” Which variables exactly? In order of predictive power: Death anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem. The researchers conclude, a little chillingly, that “the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality.”

The above list of variables is more than a little unsavory. We are talking about someone full of fear, with a poor sense of self, and a lack of mental dexterity. I always tell my students that tolerance of ambiguity is one especially excellent mark of psychological maturity. It isn’t a black and white world. According to the research, conservatives possess precisely the opposite: an intolerance of ambiguity and an inability to deal with complexity. Maybe that’s one reason why Obama seems so distasteful to them: he is a nuanced, multi-faceted thinker who can see things from several different perspectives simultaneously. And he isn’t preaching fear, either.
Eagle, The internet offers varying views on both l... (show quote)

Obama/Barry did not instill fear He took a chapter from his manual Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and started almost before election to divide the country hence BLM

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Jan 7, 2018 12:33:52   #
Kevyn
 
Hemiman wrote:
Ask Slatton if he would have preferred Hilderbeast over President Trump he wouldn’t answer me.
Hillary Clinton would be a far better president than Trump. She has a nuanced understanding of domestic policy, great experience in international relations and diplomacy. She is even tempered and rarely lies. Trump possesses none of these traits.

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Jan 7, 2018 12:53:17   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Kevyn wrote:
Hillary Clinton would be a far better president than Trump. She has a nuanced understanding of domestic policy, great experience in international relations and diplomacy. She is even tempered and rarely lies. Trump possesses none of these traits.


"Hillary Clinton would be a far better president than Trump. She has a nuanced understanding of domestic policy, great experience in international relations and diplomacy. She is even tempered and rarely lies. Trump possesses none of these traits." - Kevyn

Kevy; you decided to be a jokester today?

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Jan 7, 2018 13:39:54   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
eagleye13, What nonsense. Where in the DSM does it say that liberalism is a psychological illness? If the far right can't respond to a question or situation, this is the kind of stuff they love to quote. I guess FDR, JFK, both Clintons, Nelson Rockefeller, etc., etc. were all crazy. I only hope we get more candidates like them elected. Instead of trying to defame an entire ideology, that has proven to reform America from monopoly, terrible laws and other anti democratic practices from the rich and powerful, the right has to resort to this kind of nonsense.
eagleye13, What nonsense. Where in the DSM does it... (show quote)






It doesn't have to say it , it's obvious from the filth that is the fruit of the left, abortion, gay marriage. All kinds of perversions. Anyone can see it.

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Jan 7, 2018 13:47:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
wuzblynd wrote:
It doesn't have to say it , it's obvious from the filth that is the fruit of the left, abortion, gay marriage. All kinds of perversions. Anyone can see it.


"It doesn't have to say it , it's obvious from the filth that is the fruit of the left, abortion, gay marriage. All kinds of perversions. Anyone can see it."

Yep;

Many threads show it is the Lefties/Democrats that ignore all the evidence of child abuse, trafficking, perversions and satanism.
Who wonders why this is so?
The consistency of this is quite glaring.

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Jan 7, 2018 14:05:02   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
Eagle, The internet offers varying views on both liberalism/conservatism...for example:

Is Political Conservatism a Mild Form of Insanity?

By William Todd Schult, Ph.D.

Posted Sep 06, 2008

A few years ago I was standing on the deck of a beach house on the 4th of July and a person who had obviously drunk too much told me, “The secret of my life is that I always need someone to hate.”

I was reminded of this exchange while watching the stupendously ruthless Republican National Convention over the last several days. Is there anything that conservatives do not hate? Maybe drilling. In fact, they appear utterly phallically obsessed with drilling (a practice that, in about 10 years or so, might reduce gas prices by 2 or 3 cents per gallon). But otherwise, what we learned from the recent hatefest is that Republicans hate community organizers, liberals (surprise!), Madonna, the “east coast elite,” the “angry left” media, trial lawyers, people who are too smart, people who are “cosmopolitan”—the list goes on into eternity.

Listening to this litany on Wednesday night in particular reminded me of a research article that came out roughly 5 years ago on political conservatism and motivated social cognition (Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski & Sulloway, “Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition,” Psychological Bulletin). In a nutshell, the article—by Stanford and UC Berkeley researchers—seems to suggest that conservatism is a mild form of insanity.

Here are the facts. A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that “several psychological variables predicted political conservatism.” Which variables exactly? In order of predictive power: Death anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem. The researchers conclude, a little chillingly, that “the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality.”

The above list of variables is more than a little unsavory. We are talking about someone full of fear, with a poor sense of self, and a lack of mental dexterity. I always tell my students that tolerance of ambiguity is one especially excellent mark of psychological maturity. It isn’t a black and white world. According to the research, conservatives possess precisely the opposite: an intolerance of ambiguity and an inability to deal with complexity. Maybe that’s one reason why Obama seems so distasteful to them: he is a nuanced, multi-faceted thinker who can see things from several different perspectives simultaneously. And he isn’t preaching fear, either.
Eagle, The internet offers varying views on both l... (show quote)
Oh Lord, yes, the internet offers varying views on EVERYTHING, including psyche tests to help you decide which of 21 or 22 genders you should be.

Our Founders established the greatest system of government ever devised by man, a system that limited government to its primary role as spelled out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Never in human history was a government established that granted the people the right to govern themselves through representation--a government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. A system of government that is directly accountable to the people. A system of government that acknowledges that human beings have certain unalienable rights that no one can take from them, not the government or anyone else. The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

"But the entire twentieth century, and the dawn of the twenty-first, have witnessed modern liberalism’s relentless attacks on all of these goals and on all of the principles on which individual liberty and rational social order rest. Although they are strikingly deficient in political substance, these attacks have nevertheless been successful in exploiting the psychological nature of man for socialist purposes. To counter the destructiveness of these attacks requires a clear understanding of the relationship between human psychology and social process."

One doesn't need an internet search or a psychological evaluation to see that liberal progressives want to demolish, abolish, or otherwise fundamentally transform our constitutional system of government and replace it with a system of government that has been most common throughout history--gargantuan bureaucracy, authoritarian, despotic, tyrannical. A system that subjugates the people, favors collectivism over individualism, and controls every facet of its subjects life. And, in the more extreme cases, such governments have eliminated political opposition by force. For example, during the 20th century, more citizens were murdered by their own governments than the number of people killed in war action in all the wars fought in that century.

And, what did these governments have in common? Atheism. Godless statism, i.e. socialism, fascism, communism, et al. Liberal progressivism is in that "basket of deplorables".This is not the result of psychoanalysis, it is reality.

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Jan 7, 2018 14:16:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh Lord, yes, the internet offers varying views on EVERYTHING, including psyche tests to help you decide which of 21 or 22 genders you should be.

Our Founders established the greatest system of government ever devised by man, a system that limited government to its primary role as spelled out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Never in human history was a government established that granted the people the right to govern themselves through representation--a government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. A system of government that is directly accountable to the people. A system of government that acknowledges that human beings have certain unalienable rights that no one can take from them, not the government or anyone else. The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

"But the entire twentieth century, and the dawn of the twenty-first, have witnessed modern liberalism’s relentless attacks on all of these goals and on all of the principles on which individual liberty and rational social order rest. Although they are strikingly deficient in political substance, these attacks have nevertheless been successful in exploiting the psychological nature of man for socialist purposes. To counter the destructiveness of these attacks requires a clear understanding of the relationship between human psychology and social process."

One doesn't need an internet search or a psychological evaluation to see that liberal progressives want to demolish, abolish, or otherwise fundamentally transform our constitutional system of government and replace it with a system of government that has been most common throughout history--gargantuan bureaucracy, authoritarian, despotic, tyrannical. A system that subjugates the people, favors collectivism over individualism, and controls every facet of its subjects life. And, in the more extreme cases, such governments have eliminated political opposition by force. For example, during the 20th century, more citizens were murdered by their own governments than the number of people killed in war action in all the wars fought in that century.

And, what did these governments have in common? Atheism. Godless statism, i.e. socialism, fascism, communism, et al. Liberal progressivism is in that "basket of deplorables".This is not the result of psychoanalysis, it is reality.
Oh Lord, yes, the internet offers varying views on... (show quote)

Wow, Blade. There are psyche tests for 21 or 22 genders Could you list them, or justify this extraordinary claim

Or, are you just into hyperbole

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Jan 7, 2018 20:29:54   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh Lord, yes, the internet offers varying views on EVERYTHING, including psyche tests to help you decide which of 21 or 22 genders you should be.

Our Founders established the greatest system of government ever devised by man, a system that limited government to its primary role as spelled out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Never in human history was a government established that granted the people the right to govern themselves through representation--a government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. A system of government that is directly accountable to the people. A system of government that acknowledges that human beings have certain unalienable rights that no one can take from them, not the government or anyone else. The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

"But the entire twentieth century, and the dawn of the twenty-first, have witnessed modern liberalism’s relentless attacks on all of these goals and on all of the principles on which individual liberty and rational social order rest. Although they are strikingly deficient in political substance, these attacks have nevertheless been successful in exploiting the psychological nature of man for socialist purposes. To counter the destructiveness of these attacks requires a clear understanding of the relationship between human psychology and social process."

One doesn't need an internet search or a psychological evaluation to see that liberal progressives want to demolish, abolish, or otherwise fundamentally transform our constitutional system of government and replace it with a system of government that has been most common throughout history--gargantuan bureaucracy, authoritarian, despotic, tyrannical. A system that subjugates the people, favors collectivism over individualism, and controls every facet of its subjects life. And, in the more extreme cases, such governments have eliminated political opposition by force. For example, during the 20th century, more citizens were murdered by their own governments than the number of people killed in war action in all the wars fought in that century.

And, what did these governments have in common? Atheism. Godless statism, i.e. socialism, fascism, communism, et al. Liberal progressivism is in that "basket of deplorables".This is not the result of psychoanalysis, it is reality.
Oh Lord, yes, the internet offers varying views on... (show quote)


Wow Blade right on after the firet sentence.
Slat pretends to not know the first sentence was a purposeful exaggeration. It was all he had to defend liberalism/progressiveism/socialism.
You are right on target, BR.



"Our Founders established the greatest system of government ever devised by man, a system that limited government to its primary role as spelled out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Never in human history was a government established that granted the people the right to govern themselves through representation--a government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. A system of government that is directly accountable to the people. A system of government that acknowledges that human beings have certain unalienable rights that no one can take from them, not the government or anyone else. The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

"But the entire twentieth century, and the dawn of the twenty-first, have witnessed modern liberalism’s relentless attacks on all of these goals and on all of the principles on which individual liberty and rational social order rest. Although they are strikingly deficient in political substance, these attacks have nevertheless been successful in exploiting the psychological nature of man for socialist purposes. To counter the destructiveness of these attacks requires a clear understanding of the relationship between human psychology and social process."

One doesn't need an internet search or a psychological evaluation to see that liberal progressives want to demolish, abolish, or otherwise fundamentally transform our constitutional system of government and replace it with a system of government that has been most common throughout history--gargantuan bureaucracy, authoritarian, despotic, tyrannical. A system that subjugates the people, favors collectivism over individualism, and controls every facet of its subjects life. And, in the more extreme cases, such governments have eliminated political opposition by force. For example, during the 20th century, more citizens were murdered by their own governments than the number of people killed in war action in all the wars fought in that century.

And, what did these governments have in common? Atheism. Godless statism, i.e. socialism, fascism, communism, et al. Liberal progressivism is in that "basket of deplorables".This is not the result of psychoanalysis, it is reality." - Blade Runner

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Jan 7, 2018 21:16:41   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Wow Blade right on after the firet sentence.
Slat pretends to not know the first sentence was a purposeful exaggeration. It was all he had to defend liberalism/progressiveism/socialism.
You are right on target, BR.



"Our Founders established the greatest system of government ever devised by man, a system that limited government to its primary role as spelled out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Never in human history was a government established that granted the people the right to govern themselves through representation--a government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. A system of government that is directly accountable to the people. A system of government that acknowledges that human beings have certain unalienable rights that no one can take from them, not the government or anyone else. The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

"But the entire twentieth century, and the dawn of the twenty-first, have witnessed modern liberalism’s relentless attacks on all of these goals and on all of the principles on which individual liberty and rational social order rest. Although they are strikingly deficient in political substance, these attacks have nevertheless been successful in exploiting the psychological nature of man for socialist purposes. To counter the destructiveness of these attacks requires a clear understanding of the relationship between human psychology and social process."

One doesn't need an internet search or a psychological evaluation to see that liberal progressives want to demolish, abolish, or otherwise fundamentally transform our constitutional system of government and replace it with a system of government that has been most common throughout history--gargantuan bureaucracy, authoritarian, despotic, tyrannical. A system that subjugates the people, favors collectivism over individualism, and controls every facet of its subjects life. And, in the more extreme cases, such governments have eliminated political opposition by force. For example, during the 20th century, more citizens were murdered by their own governments than the number of people killed in war action in all the wars fought in that century.

And, what did these governments have in common? Atheism. Godless statism, i.e. socialism, fascism, communism, et al. Liberal progressivism is in that "basket of deplorables".This is not the result of psychoanalysis, it is reality." - Blade Runner
Wow Blade right on after the firet sentence. br Sl... (show quote)

Yes, I did naturally assume Blade was exaggerating about the number of genders (notice my emoticons), but you are dead wrong about your second assertion.

I did not, in any post on this thread, defend liberalism/progressivism/socialism. Instead, I countered your initial post's stance towards liberalism's being a mental disease with another article that defined and described conservatism also as a mental disease. I also made it clear that it was simply a rebuttal to the claim as you posted. You should notice (as you replied to it) that I also defended both conservatives & liberals with a post that said there are nonsensical views from those on both sides...without either being a psychological cause of madness. The ones from both ideologies who fit that possible description are the so-called 'wingnuts' or zealots of both. You may also note that I did not see fit to counter any of Blade's other comments in his post.

I will take the liberty of assuming you were being facetious when you wrote of my defense of liberalism/progressivism/socialism. If I ever do that, it will be clear to anyone.

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