acknowledgeurma

If the state government of Oregon passed a law declaring that every American State National on [sic][?] Oregon is a US citizen, would you be a US citizen?

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

That is a touchy word. person is a legal fiction, or your name in upper case. I am not a person! I am a natural person; known as one of the people, a flesh and blood being, a private man on the land, Oregonian. Not just a person. My status is clear and status is not self enacting. If one is a person then they are a 14th amendment US citizen.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Since in common usage, the term `person’ does not include the sovereign, statutes employing the phrase are ordinarily construed to exclude it.” U.S. v. General Motors Corporation, D.C. Ill, 2 F.R.D. 528, 530: In ”common usage the word `person’ does not include the sovereign, and statutes employing the word are generally construed to exclude the sovereign.” Church of Scientology v. US Department of Justice, 612 F.2d 417 @425 (1979): “the word `person’ in legal terminology is perceived as a general word which normally includes in its scope a variety of entities other than human beings., see e.g. 1, U.S.C. § para 1.” In the 1935 Supreme Court case of Perry v. US (294 US 330) the Supreme Court found that: “In United States, sovereignty resides in people... the Congress cannot invoke the sovereign power of the People to override their will as thus declared.”,

The state of Oregon is the legal fiction, Oregon State is the one of the several states. I am private without mala in se crime.

NO. Usurpation is a nullity.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Have you read 'cracking the Code' by Peter Hendrickson?
IMO; the best book for weaving through the subterfuge in the Tax Code. It shows the definitions used for "person", "business", "Tax Payer", etc.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Have you read Fruit from the Poisonous Tree ??? The 16th was never ratified. Withdraw from the public corporate world, deal in the private world of trade.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Have not read that book.
The private world is the place to be; but some are are stuck in the Corporate world (w2s 4's etc.) Lots of Engineers. I was one. The corporations protect that scam, and will get rid of bad slaves if need be. Oh the stories I could tell.

"The 16th was never ratified"
Yep; 'The Law That Never Was' by Bill Benson and Red Beckman
A copy in front of me signed by Red on 4/20/1986

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Chocura750, Trump isn't un or anti America, He's just extremely pro Trump. The man puts himself above America and all its principals, and/or his own family.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Sure a lot of CNN talking points being posted here !

One dosen't need to look very hard to see what Trump has accomplished for America and the American people thus far .

acknowledgeurma

Before any of you decide not to file income tax returns based on any assertion that the 16th isn't US law, you might want to read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_Sixteenth_Amendment_arguments

Maybe when ron vrooman and eagleye13 get appointed to SCOTUS things might change, but I'm not holding my breath.

acknowledgeurma

Previously, ron vrooman wrote, "I am not a person! I am a natural person; known as one of the people, a flesh and blood being, a private man on the land, Oregonian. Not just a person."

And paraphrased from:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/330/
Wherein we find, "8. The sovereignty of the United States resides in the people, and Congress cannot invoke the sovereignty of the people to override their will as declared in the Constitution. P. 294 U. S. 353."

Asking, "What is the legal definition of nullity?"
I got, "Legal nullity is a phrase used to refer to any entity which might theoretically be of some legal significance, but in fact possesses no identity or distinct structure of its own. Examples of this are counties which are wholly subsumed by the municipal government within their boundaries."

Asking, "What is the meaning of the word usurpation?"
I got, "Usurpation means taking someone's power or property by force. Locking the teacher outside of the classroom and taking charge of math class is a form of usurpation. ... When Shakespeare's Macbeth kills King Duncan and replaces him by usurping the throne, that is an act of usurpation."

So, are you asserting that you, being one of the people, Congress has no legal authority to take any of your power or property?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

How?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

right about that. The system is a fraud, but the defrauders have the power. I just want more Americans to know the truth. Most would not withstand the corruption of the IRS. Some do, but it takes a lot of study.
I have the utmost respect for those that have the guts and integrity to stand up and get it done.

BTW; The IRS is no more than the Accounts Receivable Department for The Federal Reserve Bank.
Note your payment check is made out to;
Department of Treasury, IRS.
NOT Department of US Treasury.

'Cracking the Code' explains how the scam works the best.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Not true. The Donald named me a sovereign and his employer.


You lie.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

BTW;
google: Lost Horizons, Breaking the Code
Millions of $ in Tax refunds.
Just be aware of the battle.

http://www.losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm

SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan

Thank you.