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Jan 4, 2018 12:50:41   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Good Morning, I feel sorry for you. You have all the primary material to be an American Patriot and choose to become PINO.

The former president stole 2.6 Billion dollars from The VA to import muslims. How are things going in Dearborn. We have had a run of evil people operating in fraud in DC. Both parties!!! If they are a graduate of the Tri- Lateral or CFR they are corrupt. If they are dual nationals they are corrupt. If they are muslim they are corrupt, if they are BAR they are corrupt.

I woke up to the fraud in 2014 at 75. There is plenty of room for you to become aware. We cannot be a democracy as we are a Constitutional Republic. The Donald is not BAR, nor dual national, nor CFR or Tri-Lateral. He does like BAR and Bankers. No one is perfect. He is not evil and does not do evil. the enemy of my enemy may not be my friend.
Good Morning, I feel sorry for you. You have all t... (show quote)


"The Donald is not BAR, nor dual national, nor CFR or Tri-Lateral. He does like BAR and Bankers. No one is perfect." - ron
Well said Ron. We are a Constitutional Republic, and those you mentioned are enemies of a Constitutional Republic.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:02:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think of relevance is the historic root of the word "idiot". From:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
idiot Has Greek Roots
The Greek adjective idios means “one’s own” or “private.” The derivative noun idiōtēs means “private person.” A Greek idiōtēs was a person who was not in the public eye, who held no public office. From this came the sense “common man,” and later “ignorant person”—a natural extension, for the common people of ancient Greece were not, in general, particularly learned. The English idiot originally meant “ignorant person,” but the more usual reference now is to a person who lacks basic intelligence or common sense rather than education.

And from:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics
Word Root of politics
The Greek word polis, meaning “city” or “community,” and the related word polītēs, meaning “citizen,” give us the roots polis and polit. Words from Greek polis and polītēs have something to do with cities or communities or the citizens who live in them. A metropolis is the most important city in an area. The police are a group that enforces the law so as to protect citizens. Politics is the science and art of governing citizens.

To the extent that we are not talking about private matters then perhaps it is inappropriate to think of any of us on OPP as "idiots". Since what we post on OPP is "in the public eye", it might be appropriate to think of all of us OPP posters as politicians.
I think of relevance is the historic root of the w... (show quote)


Interesting follow-up, Acknowledgeurma...except for the fact that many, if not most, replies on this forum are ad hominem in response to others comments. Ad hominem attacks, by definition/description*, are of a personal if not private nature when exhibited on a public forum...such as calling anyone an "idiot" on OPP.

*Ad Hominem (Abusive), also known as: personal abuse, personal attacks, abusive fallacy, damning the source, name calling, refutation by caricature, against the person, against the man.

Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.

The reality in modern use of any given word is likely of more immediate relevance than historical roots and meanings of that word

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Jan 4, 2018 13:17:23   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think of relevance is the historic root of the word "idiot". From:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
idiot Has Greek Roots
The Greek adjective idios means “one’s own” or “private.” The derivative noun idiōtēs means “private person.” A Greek idiōtēs was a person who was not in the public eye, who held no public office. From this came the sense “common man,” and later “ignorant person”—a natural extension, for the common people of ancient Greece were not, in general, particularly learned. The English idiot originally meant “ignorant person,” but the more usual reference now is to a person who lacks basic intelligence or common sense rather than education.

And from:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics
Word Root of politics
The Greek word polis, meaning “city” or “community,” and the related word polītēs, meaning “citizen,” give us the roots polis and polit. Words from Greek polis and polītēs have something to do with cities or communities or the citizens who live in them. A metropolis is the most important city in an area. The police are a group that enforces the law so as to protect citizens. Politics is the science and art of governing citizens.

To the extent that we are not talking about private matters then perhaps it is inappropriate to think of any of us on OPP as "idiots". Since what we post on OPP is "in the public eye", it might be appropriate to think of all of us OPP posters as politicians.
I think of relevance is the historic root of the w... (show quote)


You are right about using the word "idiot" to describe idiocy. I just didn't have the time or patience at the time, to go into the details.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:46:28   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
wordsmithing. maybe we should have a lexicon for OPP. ignorant, stupid, moron , cretin, democrat could all be synonyms.

acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think of relevance is the historic root of the word "idiot". From:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
idiot Has Greek Roots
The Greek adjective idios means “one’s own” or “private.” The derivative noun idiōtēs means “private person.” A Greek idiōtēs was a person who was not in the public eye, who held no public office. From this came the sense “common man,” and later “ignorant person”—a natural extension, for the common people of ancient Greece were not, in general, particularly learned. The English idiot originally meant “ignorant person,” but the more usual reference now is to a person who lacks basic intelligence or common sense rather than education.

And from:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics
Word Root of politics
The Greek word polis, meaning “city” or “community,” and the related word polītēs, meaning “citizen,” give us the roots polis and polit. Words from Greek polis and polītēs have something to do with cities or communities or the citizens who live in them. A metropolis is the most important city in an area. The police are a group that enforces the law so as to protect citizens. Politics is the science and art of governing citizens.

To the extent that we are not talking about private matters then perhaps it is inappropriate to think of any of us on OPP as "idiots". Since what we post on OPP is "in the public eye", it might be appropriate to think of all of us OPP posters as politicians.
I think of relevance is the historic root of the w... (show quote)

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Jan 4, 2018 13:55:30   #
acknowledgeurma
 
slatten49 wrote:
Interesting follow-up, Acknowledgeurma...except for the fact that many, if not most, replies on this forum are ad hominem in response to others comments. Ad hominem attacks, by definition/description*, are of a personal if not private nature when exhibited on a public forum...such as calling anyone an "idiot" on OPP.

*Ad Hominem (Abusive), also known as: personal abuse, personal attacks, abusive fallacy, damning the source, name calling, refutation by caricature, against the person, against the man.

Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.

The reality in modern use of any given word is likely of more immediate relevance than historical roots and meanings of that word
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I agree "that many, if not most, replies on this forum are ad hominem" attacks (attacks on the person, not the argument). But if one's intent is to sway an audience in one's favor, if there is little to support one's argument, it is often effective to attack and belittle one's opponent. The attacks, though of a personal nature, still serve a public (political) purpose. The intensity of one's ad hominen attacks may be an indication of the weakness of one's argument.

I also agree that "modern use of any given word is likely of more immediate relevance", but I think it is often good to step back and get a wider perspective on things; not that stepping in for a closer view is not also good.

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Jan 4, 2018 14:56:15   #
acknowledgeurma
 
ron vrooman wrote:
wordsmithing. maybe we should have a lexicon for OPP. ignorant, stupid, moron , cretin, democrat could all be synonyms.

Oooh! More words. Let's look at some origins.
ignorant
late 14c., from Old French ignorant (14c.), from Latin ignorantia, from ignorantem (nominative ignorans), present participle of ignorare "not to know, to be unacquainted; mistake, misunderstand; take no notice of, pay no attention to," from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + Old Latin gnarus "aware, acquainted with" (cf. Classical Latin noscere "to know," notus "known"), from Proto-Latin suffixed form *gno-ro-, related to gnoscere "to know" (see know ).

stupid
1540s, "mentally slow," from Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus "amazed, confounded," literally "struck senseless," from stupere "be stunned, amazed, confounded," from PIE *(s)tupe- "hit," from root *(s)teu- (see steep (adj.)).

moron
1910, medical Latin, from Greek (Attic) moron, neuter of moros "foolish, dull, sluggish, stupid," probably cognate with Sanskrit murah "idiotic." Latin morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Greek. Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. Linnæus had introduced morisis "idiocy."

cretin (I really like this one)
C18: from French crétin, from Swiss French crestin, from Latin Chrīstiānus Christian, alluding to the humanity of such people, despite their handicaps

Here we'll look at the definition. Since you did not capitalize, I'll assume you meant all democrats and not just members or supporters of the Democratic Party in America.
democrat
1. an advocate of democracy.
2. a person who believes in the political or social equality of all people.

So, given that most of the terms that you have suggested as synonyms for democrat are to some degree derogatory, I (assuming you to be not particularly humble) think you would not consider yourself to be a democrat. If you aren't a democrat, then what are you, a supporter of plutocrats, of oligarchs, of despots, of tyrants...?

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Jan 4, 2018 15:19:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:

I agree "that many, if not most, replies on this forum are ad hominem" attacks (attacks on the person, not the argument). But if one's intent is to sway an audience in one's favor, if there is little to support one's argument, it is often effective to attack and belittle one's opponent. The attacks, though of a personal nature, still serve a public (political) purpose. The intensity of one's ad hominen attacks may be an indication of the weakness of one's argument.

I also agree that "modern use of any given word is likely of more immediate relevance", but I think it is often good to step back and get a wider perspective on things; not that stepping in for a closer view is not also good.
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"The intensity of one's ad hominem attacks may be an indication of the weakness of one's argument."

Your comments are reasonable enough, with the aforementioned the most relevant to the subject at hand.

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Jan 4, 2018 16:29:02   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Nickolai wrote:
Only 52 % of Americans own stock either directly or in a 401-K or similar retirement plan. $8 % do not have a job that offers a 401-K and cannot afford to by a stock


Now that we have a real president that number will increase and already has.

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Jan 4, 2018 18:52:51   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
I am known as one of the people. I have incontrovertible evidence that I am an American State National on Oregon. An Oregonian man. I am not a US citizen. Therefore, by definition I am a Constitutional Republican. I have documentary evidence fro two care providers at the VA I am competent. My status is filed into the public record I am private.

Yes look up person, then look up people. then look up the definition of a name in all caps. I use Blacks Law sixth edition. Look up Private Membership Association, I am pro se, suie juris, in propria persona and:
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Others to be named and added later.

acknowledgeurma wrote:
Oooh! More words. Let's look at some origins.
ignorant
late 14c., from Old French ignorant (14c.), from Latin ignorantia, from ignorantem (nominative ignorans), present participle of ignorare "not to know, to be unacquainted; mistake, misunderstand; take no notice of, pay no attention to," from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + Old Latin gnarus "aware, acquainted with" (cf. Classical Latin noscere "to know," notus "known"), from Proto-Latin suffixed form *gno-ro-, related to gnoscere "to know" (see know ).

stupid
1540s, "mentally slow," from Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus "amazed, confounded," literally "struck senseless," from stupere "be stunned, amazed, confounded," from PIE *(s)tupe- "hit," from root *(s)teu- (see steep (adj.)).

moron
1910, medical Latin, from Greek (Attic) moron, neuter of moros "foolish, dull, sluggish, stupid," probably cognate with Sanskrit murah "idiotic." Latin morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Greek. Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. Linnæus had introduced morisis "idiocy."

cretin (I really like this one)
C18: from French crétin, from Swiss French crestin, from Latin Chrīstiānus Christian, alluding to the humanity of such people, despite their handicaps

Here we'll look at the definition. Since you did not capitalize, I'll assume you meant all democrats and not just members or supporters of the Democratic Party in America.
democrat
1. an advocate of democracy.
2. a person who believes in the political or social equality of all people.

So, given that most of the terms that you have suggested as synonyms for democrat are to some degree derogatory, I (assuming you to be not particularly humble) think you would not consider yourself to be a democrat. If you aren't a democrat, then what are you, a supporter of plutocrats, of oligarchs, of despots, of tyrants...?
Oooh! More words. Let's look at some origins. br i... (show quote)

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Jan 4, 2018 22:58:50   #
cali
 
We opp swamp creatures, aka the conservative right, are a problem that must be drained. Or in other words, shut up and shut down.

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Jan 4, 2018 23:23:14   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
cali wrote:
We opp swamp creatures, aka the conservative right, are a problem that must be drained. Or in other words, shut up and shut down.


That is what the Left and its onboard sycophants want to do to we Conservatives.

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Jan 4, 2018 23:33:53   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
I think not.

cali wrote:
We opp swamp creatures, aka the conservative right, are a problem that must be drained. Or in other words, shut up and shut down.

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Jan 5, 2018 04:00:03   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I am known as one of the people. I have incontrovertible evidence that I am an American State National on Oregon. An Oregonian man. I am not a US citizen. Therefore, by definition I am a Constitutional Republican. I have documentary evidence fro two care providers at the VA I am competent. My status is filed into the public record I am private.

Yes look up person, then look up people. then look up the definition of a name in all caps. I use Blacks Law sixth edition. Look up Private Membership Association, I am pro se, suie juris, in propria persona and:
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Others to be named and added later.
I am known as one of the people. I have incontrove... (show quote)


Look up nuts.

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Jan 5, 2018 09:35:25   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Your actions, statements and manner is proof that your are an enemy from within. As indicated by a reading of the founding documents.

Bad Bob wrote:
Look up nuts.

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Jan 5, 2018 11:33:51   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I am known as one of the people. I have incontrovertible evidence that I am an American State National on Oregon. An Oregonian man. I am not a US citizen. Therefore, by definition I am a Constitutional Republican. I have documentary evidence fro two care providers at the VA I am competent. My status is filed into the public record I am private.

Yes look up person, then look up people. then look up the definition of a name in all caps. I use Blacks Law sixth edition. Look up Private Membership Association, I am pro se, suie juris, in propria persona and:
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Others to be named and added later.
I am known as one of the people. I have incontrove... (show quote)


You forgot the most important~~ you are also just a person...

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