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Dec 31, 2017 12:20:47   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
byronglimish wrote:
Good morning, Morgan,the whole idea of freedom is first and foremost to care of yourself... here's a sample...when the Americans were moving west..it was all by great effort that they survived and prospered, as we are now, if these true frontiersmen and women of strength..could see how easy we have it, and see people demanding more help from the Government..not cause of physical or whatever the disability truly may require assistance but out of entitled emotions...
The pioneers would be aghast at people demanding that the gov provide every service...with every solid that the gov "gives"...in this giving there is always a payment plan of some sort.. whether it's working people's national debt increase or one more chop at the base of our freedom's.. everything costs something..
A stronger future for our children is when they are strong and do stand on their own..
The EPA rollbacks are nothing more than allowing business to flow without undue restrictions...
Good morning, Morgan,the whole idea of freedom is ... (show quote)


byronglimish: You're talking to sheep!

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Dec 31, 2017 12:25:37   #
Morgan
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
morgan: The real truth is the fact he has protected us from the stifled dry-rot of these insane bureaucrat breaches of our freedoms! Get help!!!!


You are completely ego motivated, you can't see past your own nose. That is the real truth. You cannot think far enough ahead to not exploit people and the earth.

You think making sure people who buy guns are mentally stable is not essential? That pouring toxin's in our fields, water and air, is perfectly acceptable?

The Real truth is who Trump really works for and it's not America. He is another present-day Robber Baron working for his cronies all over the world, you presume he has loyalty to America, ha...where has that been proven, look at his wake of people he befriended than chopped off their heads when they didn't serve "him"...not the country.

His tax plan, will put money in his pocket and possibly yours but will suck the country dry and deeper into debt. Tell me who makes a budget that increases their debt, well that's exactly what he's done. The rich have gotten richer again and the middle class has continued to shrink and will pick up considerable speed.

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Dec 31, 2017 12:31:35   #
debeda
 
Patsaco1 wrote:
I agree with you wholeheatedly... After 8 years of Obama trying to make the United States a socialist country, President Trump is refreshing and bold. We have been stagnated for so long. If they could only accept the fact they lost and move on. The President is trying very hard to return this country to what it once was and he's doing a great job, I might add. We had to put up with Obama's regime, ( I call it a regime because he still thinks he's president) and they need to accept our President.
I agree with you wholeheatedly... After 8 years of... (show quote)




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Dec 31, 2017 12:44:39   #
debeda
 
SilentGeneration wrote:
I'm one of the millions of Americans who didn't vote for Mr. Trump. I consider myself to be a solid, middle class American. My family has Army, Navy, and Marine veterans as well as a son who is a Master Sergeant in the Marine Corp. My father fought in WWI, my brother in WWII, my husband in Vietnam, and a son in Afghanistan. I have worked from ages 16 to 72 and paid taxes. Our country is still the greatest country in the world. One man can't make or break this country. I didn't vote for Mr. Trump because I don't think he is qualified to hold the office of President of the United States. He is not the change we need in this country. We as citizens need to come together and take control of our government. We need to weed out the paid for politicians and elect those who will work for the best interest of our country. We needed to review our history and civics lessons. We need to line up to vote in the same way we like up for movie openings or black Friday sales. We need to learn to discuss our differences without resorting to name calling or crude jokes. We the people need to act as we the people. This country doesn't belong to any one person; it belongs to all of us.
I'm one of the millions of Americans who didn't vo... (show quote)


I agree with weeding out the corrupt politicians who only seek election for personal gain. And your family sounds like staunch patriots - the generations of service are appreciated by all. I disagree about Trump. I believe that things had gotten so weird and priorities so twisted in our country that we needed someone like Prez Trump who is willing to break out of the restrictive PC mold and tell it like it is. He changed the entire dialogue in the 2016 election cycle to call out illegal immigration, out of control acceptance of "refugees" most of whom have no ability or desire to blend into our culture, taxation and policies strangling businesses and the seemingly purposeful decimation and marginalization of law enforcement, our military and Christians. And he did it at great personal risk and cost. There was no other candidate in either party willing to do that.

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Dec 31, 2017 12:49:32   #
debeda
 
pafret wrote:
A few simple questions, did you think that Obama was in any way qualified? This was a man who had never worked for a living ever, including his extremely brief stint in the Congress. Did you think Hillary was qualified? She was adept at suppressing bimbo eruptions and political dissent. Her attempt at forcing single payer health care on the public, as the wife of the president, was an abysmal failure. She became a Senator not because of her qualifications but because of her husband’s political connections. Backing the warhawk causes further marred her lackluster career in the Senate.

Her tenure as Secretary of State is being called into question as nothing more than pay for play, treasonous sellouts of our nation. This incidentally was known and published before she ran for president.

She had no qualifications other than "It was her turn" to control the cash spigot. I hear about Trump's lack of qualifications and I have to laugh. I wish I were so unqualified as to have amassed billions of dollars from my own companies.

Consider the statements by Comey about her egregious carelessness in protecting state secrets as well as his remarks about Abedins's leaving classified documents on her husband's laptop. He said they were unaware of the necessity to treat those documents with caution. Are these the people you want running your government? Too stupid to know that classified documents require extreme measures to retain security!

As one who has held many levels of Security clearance let me assure you that there is no excuse whatever to claim not understanding the requirements for accessing and disseminating classified material. It is drummed into you incessantly and periodic refreshers are mandatory by law. The penalty for screwing up is clearly defined for you and basically anything that goes wrong can get you a prison sentence.
A few simple questions, did you think that Obama w... (show quote)





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Dec 31, 2017 12:51:52   #
debeda
 
pafret wrote:
My guess is that if Benedict Arnold had concealed his treachery and subsequently been elected president, Obama would be a close tie.




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Dec 31, 2017 12:53:49   #
debeda
 
The Rebel wrote:
I'd seriously think that could create more problems on chat sites. In real life I just give 'em my opinion and most of the time they walk away and don't talk to me for a long time. rofl
Works the same way if they gang up on me. Just ticks off more than one at a time...


Yeah my experience too. If you give them facts and logic they stop talking...

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Dec 31, 2017 13:09:45   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
To view the centrists to the left to believe in communism or socialism as a form of governing would be to equate the right to believe in oligarchy and fascism. When it is clearly somewhere in the middle people's freedoms are protected the most basically where our government was established. We wouldn't have to worry about making America great again if we focused on balancing and preserving the integrity of our government. Which is what makes us Americans, not the land we simply occupy.


That is very true. Stereotypes never work - in fact stereotyping caises what we now call racism. If we can always strive to look at an individual's actions and the result of those actions we can avoid stereotyping. This is one of the reasons that the right becomes so annoyed with the left. When obama was elected he wasn't my guy but I was willing to sit back, respect the office and the voters, and see what his actions were and the results of them. Prez Trump has received no such courtesy from those who did not vote for him. It has been mass hysteria since election day.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:18:33   #
Morgan
 
byronglimish wrote:
Good morning, Morgan,the whole idea of freedom is first and foremost to care of yourself... here's a sample...when the Americans were moving west..it was all by great effort that they survived and prospered, as we are now, if these true frontiersmen and women of strength..could see how easy we have it, and see people demanding more help from the Government..not cause of physical or whatever the disability truly may require assistance but out of entitled emotions...
The pioneers would be aghast at people demanding that the gov provide every service...with every solid that the gov "gives"...in this giving there is always a payment plan of some sort.. whether it's working people's national debt increase or one more chop at the base of our freedom's.. everything costs something..
A stronger future for our children is when they are strong and do stand on their own..
The EPA rollbacks are nothing more than allowing business to flow without undue restrictions...
Good morning, Morgan,the whole idea of freedom is ... (show quote)


Good Morning byrong~ Here's the thing, this argument has gotten skewered and I believe intentionally to drive people apart. I've been on both sides and in reality, we need both sides to have a balanced government, as one side looks to protections of the country while the other tries to protect the citizens. Let's call it the ying and yang if you will. I wouldn't want a one-party governing system, would you?

The left/democrats are all for personal productivity, that's a fact, simply look at labor and statistics. To think otherwise is believing in a fallacy

Right now, no one is listening to the other, even when it makes sense. As corporations get larger people get smaller and can get rolled over, exploited, rights and protections can be taken away. Especially between an employer and employee. A too large of a government can be as dangerous as the private sector being in complete control and calling all the shots. They have proven that people don't matter only their bottom line does.

There has to be a balance. The EPA may be overindulgent, which can be rectified, but it is there for our protection and is an essential program to our safety.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:21:04   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
Doesn't matter if they are paid or not. You'all still don't understand what I'm saying. You are not going to change the fact that Obama was their Messiah and that Hillary was their Fairy God Mother. Stop replying to and being drawn into their cesspool of hate. If you feel you have to answer, like I do sometimes. You control the conversation, They never present facts, present facts. Tell them how amusing you think they are. Don't let them pull you into a Double Speak debate. That's what they want us to do. So that when we get so frustrated because we can't make them face reality, and finally say to hell with it. Guess what, they won. So that's why I say, the Circus is in town and the clowns are so funny.
Doesn't matter if they are paid or not. You'all st... (show quote)


I am sorry to disagree Sarge, but I do not find those 'clowns' funny at all. They are disgusting POS's.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:25:53   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lolol we think alike!! Had not seen your post when posting mine..

Is that great minds think alike??

Ignoring them works better than stooping to their level and is fun watching them do themself in.. Besides they thriving on making us or trying to make us miserable..

Besides, they want the negative banter, why bother??

Happy New Year, Sarge, to you and yours...May it bring you much love and happiness always!!
Lolol we think alike!! Had not seen your post when... (show quote)


Yep, great minds think alike but fools seldom differ.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:27:35   #
Morgan
 
debeda wrote:
That is very true. Stereotypes never work - in fact stereotyping caises what we now call racism. If we can always strive to look at an individual's actions and the result of those actions we can avoid stereotyping. This is one of the reasons that the right becomes so annoyed with the left. When obama was elected he wasn't my guy but I was willing to sit back, respect the office and the voters, and see what his actions were and the results of them. Prez Trump has received no such courtesy from those who did not vote for him. It has been mass hysteria since election day.
That is very true. Stereotypes never work - in fac... (show quote)



You don't think the reaction is due to Trump's actions? He didn't come in considering the point of view from the left at all, instead, he's flaunted his power and has behaved as a steamroller. There are things that Obama has done which were good advancements, the issues are not considered, a perfect example is the protection of the elderly in nursing homes, where they are defenseless, now he moves to take away the consequences to the abuser, to make them have true effective consequences for their deplorable actions. Why would he do away with that?

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Dec 31, 2017 13:30:38   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
You don't think the reaction is due to Trump's actions? He didn't come in considering the point of view from the left at all, instead, he's flaunted his power and has behaved as a steamroller. There are things that Obama has done which were good advancements, the issues are not considered, a perfect example is the protection of the elderly in nursing homes, where they are defenseless, now he moves to take away the consequences to the abuser, to make them have true effective consequences for their deplorable actions. Why would he do away with that?
You don't think the reaction is due to Trump's act... (show quote)


The point, Morgan, is Prez Trump hadn't taken ANY actions as of election day. So all I can say is you're either ignoring the point I made in my post or deflecting or both.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:32:18   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Morgan wrote:
Good Morning byrong~ Here's the thing, this argument has gotten skewered and I believe intentionally to drive people apart. I've been on both sides and in reality, we need both sides to have a balanced government, as one side looks to protections of the country while the other tries to protect the citizens. Let's call it the ying and yang if you will. I wouldn't want a one-party governing system, would you?

The left/democrats are all for personal productivity, that's a fact, simply look at labor and statistics. To think otherwise is believing in a fallacy

Right now, no one is listening to the other, even when it makes sense. As corporations get larger people get smaller and can get rolled over, exploited, rights and protections can be taken away. Especially between an employer and employee. A too large of a government can be as dangerous as the private sector being in complete control and calling all the shots. They have proven that people don't matter only their bottom line does.

There has to be a balance. The EPA may be overindulgent, which can be rectified, but it is there for our protection and is an essential program to our safety.
Good Morning byrong~ Here's the thing, this argume... (show quote)


Socialism is not balance... Bernie Sanders is not balance...his provide everything philosophy is actually government control...

The leftist's need to have institutionalized structure, just as institutionalized convict's need to be told when and how to do everything..So more to standing on one's own two feet..and waaaaay less using the government crutch..

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Dec 31, 2017 13:32:56   #
AmChistPat651
 
One would be most wise to evaluate one's own life and compare oneself to what the God of the Bible recommends one to do before casting unethical stones at a pillar of American democracy. When one has thoroughly exposed oneself as publically as those who are willingly stepping out for the cause of freedom and liberty and a free Republic, then, and only then, might one have merit in the arena of criticism. Enough said!!

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