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Dec 12, 2017 16:49:40   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
byronglimish wrote:
You're kind of beguiling like Lucifer... maybe you present yourself as what the devil would accept into the fold...are they seeing what is apparent to not just a few on
Famous m opp?...now don't think of what you googled...take a look in the mirror...you just might see it for yourself...

A famous quote comes to mind "all men stumble on to the truth sometimes, but most get back up and hurry away as if nothing ever happened"


I tried this without my glasses, out in the woods...

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Dec 12, 2017 17:03:12   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
whitnebrat wrote:
What services do you want?





That was not the question. As always you evade the question. It is straight forward and to the point.

What part of $100.oo or $1000.oo I earn, do you think is yours, and why?

Example ------- I have made 50 million dollars a year for the last 20 years. So what make you think you have a right to even a dime of it? ???????????????? Yes?

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Dec 12, 2017 17:05:53   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
Nickolai wrote:
I was told by an evangelical he only wanted to be with people wo thought like he did I have a favorite cousin I played with as toddlers and young boys who is an evangelical who will not speak to me and other relatives who are stand offish and in laws who will not speak and make it clear they wish not to be around me once they discovered I was a liberal and an atheist even though we had been friendly for 30 years until I was accidently outed. I would be happy to continue our friendship but not them Now aday's they see me as of the devil
I was told by an evangelical he only wanted to be ... (show quote)



That's because you are.

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Dec 12, 2017 17:42:23   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
RETW wrote:
Here is a question I ask a lot of the left.


If " I " earn $100.oo or $1000.oo. What part of that do you believe is yours, and why?

Funny, so far, I have had no one on the left answer me. Hummmmmmmmmm

—————-

I’ll take a stab, RETW.
I don’t believe the money is either yours or mine. What money we may have are blessings given to us by God. We are only the “caretakers” or “stewards” of any money we may have. How we use it to glorify God is how we’ll be judged when we meet the Lord.

It always makes me sad when I hear people who claim to be “Christians” say that by taking “their” money and “giving” it to the needy/under-privileged, that the government is “stealing” “their” money away from “them.”

According to Scripture (Mt 22:21), these “Christians” never “owned” the money to begin with. Plus, you NEVER see a hearse, followed by an armored truck, carrying all of the deceased’s money to be buried with him. Many cultures have had religions that thought it was possible to take one’s riches with them into the afterlife. In reality, all those riches ended-up being was “loot” for the grave-robbers and “finds” for archeological digs.

As Jesus said, “Give unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s and back to God what is God’s ... .“ once you have done the math, RETW, you’re left with ZERO as your own. Your “reward” is knowing you did with the money what God wanted you to, since it was NEVER totally “yours” to begin with.

This is an instance where “possession” and “ownership” do not equate.

Does this answer your question?

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Dec 12, 2017 17:43:49   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
RETW wrote:
That was not the question. As always you evade the question. It is straight forward and to the point.

What part of $100.oo or $1000.oo I earn, do you think is yours, and why?

Example ------- I have made 50 million dollars a year for the last 20 years. So what make you think you have a right to even a dime of it? ???????????????? Yes?


Personally, not a dime of it. As a member of the society, we all contribute a fair share ... or at least that's the concept. Nobody wants to pay taxes, but everybody wants the services. The compromise is that we all grumble and pay up. The question is not what percentage you contribute ... at least not at first. The question is what services you want the government to provide, and what they cost ... then we can compute the percentage in terms of income that EVERYONE can contribute. It's called the Federal Budget and it governs what they would like to have, which determines the rate at which we all get taxed.

Econ 101.

Hope this answers your question, but I'd bet not ...

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Dec 12, 2017 17:55:34   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
RETW wrote:
The economy is this good, because we have Mr. Trump as our president.


——————

You statement is not necessarily true. The economy was improving BEFORE Trumpet took office. He’s simply rode the coat-tails of Obama’s economic policies. He knows it, too, but he’ll never admit to it, just as you wouldn’t.

If you were familiar with how big business plans their production of goods and services, you’d know that they plan ahead about 2-3 years. So, any improvement in our economy was predicated on events 2-3 years ago. That would make it long before Trumpet arrived on the scene, to take credit for it, now.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s simply Econ 101.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:07:53   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
working class stiff wrote:
Not funny...just open minded. We have an answer (let's say 35%) just like you do (let's say 20%). Now....which one is right?

Do you and Mr. Bunker have a right answer to the question posed? If so....let's hear it. If not, why
expect it from us?




Because I am not demanding you pay me anything.

Lets make this very simple. Lets say the Government does ask us " all, " to pay ten percent of our

income, to defray the cost of all services we may or may not receive from our government.

Now you earn $ 50,000.00 a year, and pay $ 5,000.00 in tax.

I earn $ 100,000.00 a year, and pay $ 10,000.00 in tax

We each pay the same according to our earning ability.

You have the same ability as me to earn money. This is a free country that is governed by laws.

You do not have the right to compensate any of my wealth, just as I do not have a right to yours.

So the basic question still remains the same.

Why do think, or believe, you have a right to more of my wealth, over and above, what I already pay as

a fair and equatable amount.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:19:14   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
alabuck wrote:
—————-

I’ll take a stab, RETW.
I don’t believe the money is either yours or mine. What money we may have are blessings given to us by God. We are only the “caretakers” or “stewards” of any money we may have. How we use it to glorify God is how we’ll be judged when we meet the Lord.

It always makes me sad when I hear people who claim to be “Christians” say that by taking “their” money and “giving” it to the needy/under-privileged, that the government is “stealing” “their” money away from “them.”

According to Scripture (Mt 22:21), these “Christians” never “owned” the money to begin with. Plus, you NEVER see a hearse, followed by an armored truck, carrying all of the deceased’s money to be buried with him. Many cultures have had religions that thought it was possible to take one’s riches with them into the afterlife. In reality, all those riches ended-up being was “loot” for the grave-robbers and “finds” for archeological digs.

As Jesus said, “Give unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s and back to God what is God’s ... .“ once you have done the math, RETW, you’re left with ZERO as your own. Your “reward” is knowing you did with the money what God wanted you to, since it was NEVER totally “yours” to begin with.

This is an instance where “possession” and “ownership” do not equate.

Does this answer your question?
—————- br br I’ll take a stab, RETW. br I don’t b... (show quote)



No it does not. What you suggest is irrational, and fool hardy. God did not make stupid people.

We can not all be Apollos.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:20:30   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
RETW wrote:
Because I am not demanding you pay me anything.

Lets make this very simple. Lets say the Government does ask us " all, " to pay ten percent of our
income, to defray the cost of all services we may or may not receive from our government.
Now you earn $ 50,000.00 a year, and pay $ 5,000.00 in tax.
I earn $ 100,000.00 a year, and pay $ 10,000.00 in tax
We each pay the same according to our earning ability.
You have the same ability as me to earn money. This is a free country that is governed by laws.
You do not have the right to compensate any of my wealth, just as I do not have a right to yours.
So the basic question still remains the same.
Why do think, or believe, you have a right to more of my wealth, over and above, what I already pay as
a fair and equatable amount.
Because I am not demanding you pay me anything. ... (show quote)


I personally don't. We as a country have chosen to abide by the Biblical principle of "I am my brother's keeper." This means that we support those that can't make it on their own. There are those that take advantage of the system, and shouldn't be eligible, but that's just the breaks. If our elected representatives designate programs or entitlements that we don't agree with, we vote them out of office (theoretically). But there will always be demands on government that can't be met and the only recourse we have is to elect like-minded people.
As to having a right to more of your wealth, I personally don't, and won't contribute any of mine to you personally. As a citizen of the country, I contribute my fair share and expect others to contribute that same fair share.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:36:04   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Personally, not a dime of it. As a member of the society, we all contribute a fair share ... or at least that's the concept. Nobody wants to pay taxes, but everybody wants the services. The compromise is that we all grumble and pay up. The question is not what percentage you contribute ... at least not at first. The question is what services you want the government to provide, and what they cost ... then we can compute the percentage in terms of income that EVERYONE can contribute. It's called the Federal Budget and it governs what they would like to have, which determines the rate at which we all get taxed.

Econ 101.

Hope this answers your question, but I'd bet not ...
Personally, not a dime of it. As a member of the s... (show quote)



Is there something wrong with your understanding my original question?

I did not mention anything about services. You keep throwing that in. It's a typical distraction by

the left. If you can't answer the question, than please just say you don't know, or don't respond at all.

How difficult can this be?

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Dec 12, 2017 18:43:23   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
alabuck wrote:
——————

You statement is not necessarily true. The economy was improving BEFORE Trumpet took office. He’s simply rode the coat-tails of Obama’s economic policies. He knows it, too, but he’ll never admit to it, just as you wouldn’t.

If you were familiar with how big business plans their production of goods and services, you’d know that they plan ahead about 2-3 years. So, any improvement in our economy was predicated on events 2-3 years ago. That would make it long before Trumpet arrived on the scene, to take credit for it, now.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s simply Econ 101.
—————— br br You statement is not necessarily tru... (show quote)



Let see, the economy was doging along at 1 1/2 %. Along comes President Trump, and a year is not even up, and already the economy is at 3.4 + %. Obama never had it at even 2%.

Wan't to talk more about what Obama did so good for the country? It appears you know nothing about

Econ 101.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:53:59   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
RETW wrote:
Because I am not demanding you pay me anything.

Lets make this very simple. Lets say the Government does ask us " all, " to pay ten percent of our

income, to defray the cost of all services we may or may not receive from our government.

Now you earn $ 50,000.00 a year, and pay $ 5,000.00 in tax.

I earn $ 100,000.00 a year, and pay $ 10,000.00 in tax

We each pay the same according to our earning ability.

You have the same ability as me to earn money. This is a free country that is governed by laws.

You do not have the right to compensate any of my wealth, just as I do not have a right to yours.

So the basic question still remains the same.

Why do think, or believe, you have a right to more of my wealth, over and above, what I already pay as

a fair and equatable amount.
Because I am not demanding you pay me anything. ... (show quote)


I don't. In fact, I would favor a flat tax if every dollar of income were taxed equally. With one caveat....those who receive assistance from the gov't should not pay income tax. It would be pointless and only set up a layer of bureaucracy. I'm assuming, of course, that we would agree in negotiations, on the circumstances that qualify one for that assistance. I'm one who thinks every able bodied person should work, so I'm not too easy on cheaters. And set the rate high enough to start paying down some of this debt.

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Dec 12, 2017 19:04:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Rates are already high enough to pay off the debt. Problem is the clowns in D.C. don't understand how to cut anything.
working class stiff wrote:
I don't. In fact, I would favor a flat tax if every dollar of income were taxed equally. With one caveat....those who receive assistance from the gov't should not pay income tax. It would be pointless and only set up a layer of bureaucracy. I'm assuming, of course, that we would agree in negotiations, on the circumstances that qualify one for that assistance. I'm one who thinks every able bodied person should work, so I'm not too easy on cheaters. And set the rate high enough to start paying down some of this debt.
I don't. In fact, I would favor a flat tax if eve... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2017 19:11:15   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I personally don't. We as a country have chosen to abide by the Biblical principle of "I am my brother's keeper." This means that we support those that can't make it on their own. There are those that take advantage of the system, and shouldn't be eligible, but that's just the breaks. If our elected representatives designate programs or entitlements that we don't agree with, we vote them out of office (theoretically). But there will always be demands on government that can't be met and the only recourse we have is to elect like-minded people.
As to having a right to more of your wealth, I personally don't, and won't contribute any of mine to you personally. As a citizen of the country, I contribute my fair share and expect others to contribute that same fair share.
I personally don't. We as a country have chosen to... (show quote)



WTH. I am stunned you can't see the forest because of the leaves.

Your statement of " There are those that take advantage of the system, and shouldn't be eligible, but

that's just the breaks." is undeniably so far understated, it make one want to suspend reality.

For that is the ( major ) problem with our system. Greedy politicians and others that want nothing more

than to game the system. Free this and free that. And if they don't get there way, it's all the fault of the

wealthy. And one of there ploys is to make other believe, because they do not have as much wealth as

others, they deserve more then what they earned. No they do not. End of story

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Dec 12, 2017 19:12:52   #
E
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Ah, deflection and diffusion.
My question directly affected his. In order to reduce his tax bill, we have to reduce spending, if we're not going to increase what he has to pay. I'm asking what he wants to cut in order to accomplish the answer that he's looking for. Seems pretty simple to me.


He asked a simple question. "If " I " earn $100.oo or $1000.oo. What part of that do you believe is yours, and why?" And as usual it is nothing but diffusion and deflection and we can all see through you. Either you can answer the question or you can't. This is not about the National Budget. Just how much of his labor do you figure is yours? Now, show us your latest effort of deflection and diffusion because that is all you will have.

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